Green Bottles wrote:
Sometimes you just have to relax and do it! Uptight!

Are you in the right thread?

LMAO!!

Ok sorry

Jessica Vaugn IN MIAMI wrote:

Glamour is the shit. In fact, I can't decide weather I like booty or boobie more.

I think there was a college poll out and booty won... I wish I could find the source... but I'm with you... booty or boobie... isss allll gooood.

Jessica Vaugn IN MIAMI wrote:
I was told about this group of glamour models who don't do nudes or even topless.

I asked how they make any money, my informant in this conversation said they do not make money.

So why are they doing it...and what sort of group is shooting them?

And why are you concern about a group of people who in reality aren't real competition in your profession? People do things that don't make sense don't make sense to you, me or anyone else. So, there's no use analyzing it because it's a futile exercise, and we have better things to do than wonder why people choose not to pose nude. Let them do their thing, and you do yours!

Moore Photo Graphix wrote:

And why are you concern about a group of people who in reality aren't real competition in your profession? People do things that don't make sense don't make sense to you, me or anyone else. So, there's no use analyzing it because it's a futile exercise, and we have better things to do than wonder why people choose not to pose nude. Let them do their thing, and you do yours!

They mock the industry I've devoted myself to with their bullshit. That is why.

Moore Photo Graphix wrote:

And why are you concern about a group of people who in reality aren't real competition in your profession? People do things that don't make sense don't make sense to you, me or anyone else. So, there's no use analyzing it because it's a futile exercise, and we have better things to do than wonder why people choose not to pose nude. Let them do their thing, and you do yours!

Because it's sooo much fun to talk about that's why...
BUT... we aren't going to restart the debates... there are 8 pages already full of debate.. if you like... read a lot of them.. and we can call it good

Jessica Vaugn IN MIAMI wrote:

He just told us we have to stay on topic.
So  my on topic thought to you is... how big is your couch because Danny is coming with me to NY? LOL

Ummm I don't know yet. I haven't even seen the place yet in person. I'll let you know thursda

Jessica Vaugn IN MIAMI wrote:

They mock the industry I've devoted myself to with their bullshit. That is why.

Amen!

LT Smash wrote:

Ummm I don't know yet. I haven't even seen the place yet in person. I'll let you know thursda

awesome.

VisualE Photography wrote:
Read through this thread (and other "she won't do nudes") and pick out the comments that are saying:

"That posing sexy nude is the whole objective of the exercise.  Like why would you do any other form of photo-modeling?"

They could be right, especially if you don't like hot bikinis and lingerie.

If more than a hobby, nude glamour is also big business. Photographers/clients will pay fer it, models earn from it.  You hear that's it's the most profitable and commercialized area of photo and video modeling. If you've got it and wanna make real money then go fer it. But its not the only business or type of glamour in town. 

For many photographers, it's the resulting visual art that's all important, the creation and publishing compelling images, whether for art's sake or for commercial intent.  There are some incredibly talented artists here who are so far beyond the question and issues of nudity. The shoot is a means to an end. What the model is wearing is a means to an end.

Some genres, styles or markets call for clothed glamour, and there is a lot of excellent clothed glamour and pinup work out there.  Good glamour photography, whether clothed or nude is very challenging. Both can result in excellent images. Both can result in trash.

This is way different than a "She won't do nudes" this is about girls choosing a genre that contains a lot of nudity and they want to go against the curve and say "I don't do nudes, though I'm in a genre that requires a lot of nudity"

LT Smash wrote:

Amen!

Its true. They're every reason people in fashion make fun of glamour. Its why there is no respect there. Wanna bees like them who skirt the line and are upset they can't make the money to do it full time.

Extreme Body Art wrote:
This is way different than a "She won't do nudes" this is about girls choosing a genre that contains a lot of nudity and they want to go against the curve and say "I don't do nudes, though I'm in a genre that requires a lot of nudity"

Same thought.

Jessica Vaugn IN MIAMI wrote:

awesome.

MM should have a couch surfing section...

Jessica Vaugn IN MIAMI wrote:

Its true. They're every reason people in fashion make fun of glamour. Its why there is no respect there. Wanna bees like them who skirt the line and are upset they can't make the money to do it full time.

They want to be the exception to the rule. "Everyone else can be naked.. but not I"

AaronPawlak wrote:
MM should have a couch surfing section...

there is.  it's in the delusion sectional department.

Extreme Body Art wrote:

They want to be the exception to the rule. "Everyone else can be naked.. but not I"

Yes, that is what I was saying. They do not get to be and that was the point of my thread. Pick something other than glamour.

AaronPawlak wrote:

MM should have a couch surfing section...

Some OMP admin is doing that and has a blog about it. What the hell is his name? Ory... something.

Jessica Vaugn IN MIAMI wrote:

Yes, that is what I was saying. They do not get to be and that was the point of my thread. Pick something other than glamour.

Like artistic.. That is such a big genre there is a perfect home for the non-nude model.
Now there is artistic nudes... but just Artistic... could mean almost anything.

Extreme Body Art wrote:

Like artistic.. That is such a big genre there is a perfect home for the non-nude model.
Now there is artistic nudes... but just Artistic... could mean almost anything.

Yes, it is amusing

Jessica Vaugn IN MIAMI wrote:
/couch surfing
Some OMP admin is doing that and has a blog about it. What the hell is his name? Ory... something.

I was kidding.

AaronPawlak wrote:

I was kidding.

But it is actually happening.

Jessica Vaugn IN MIAMI wrote:

But it is actually happening.

Fill me in on this when it happens.

I also get this whole thread and what you're saying. The funny part is I had a long discussion about it today. Also about how some people who know nothing of the real industry preach like they know it all and are gospel

LT Smash wrote:
Fill me in on this when it happens.

I also get this whole thread and what you're saying. The funny part is I had a long discussion about it today. Also about how some people who know nothing of the real industry preach like they know it all and are gospel

And those who know their shit... well, they're busy indeed. Busy being great.
I'm glad you feel me

Extreme Body Art wrote:
This is way different than a "She won't do nudes" this is about girls choosing a genre that contains a lot of nudity and they want to go against the curve and say "I don't do nudes, though I'm in a genre that requires a lot of nudity"

She won't do nudes/I don't do nudes. I don't distinguish.

I'm all for changing the norms, re-invention, creating new genres, pushing/contracting boundaries. I don't have issue with "I don't do nudes" whether its glamour or not.  I don't have issue with size 16.

If I am looking for talent, I just wanna be able to look at/search portfolios - the text and images, and be able to tell what space they are operating in, how creative they might be, how easy to work with. etc.  I am not looking for a political debate.  But I guess MM is more than a portfolio site/ talent marketplace.

Jessica Vaugn IN MIAMI wrote:

Yes, that is what I was saying. They do not get to be and that was the point of my thread. Pick something other than glamour.

I would just as soon they didn't.  My portfolio is full of them and I'm very happy about that.

Jessica Vaugn IN MIAMI wrote:

And those who know their shit... well, they're busy indeed. Busy being great.
I'm glad you feel me

Ya bastards. I wanna talk to them constantly.

Chris Keeling wrote:

I would just as soon they didn't.  My portfolio is full of them and I'm very happy about that.

And there they will stay, benefiting no one but you in a fraction of a way compared to how they could. If they cared enough. But they don't so plus one for you.

LT Smash wrote:

Ya bastards. I wanna talk to them constantly.

Great news is we can!!
I have my favorites

And they're chatty as fuck when they know you care!

Jessica Vaugn IN MIAMI wrote:

Great news is we can!!
I have my favorites

And they're chatty as fuck when they know you care!

I do too. I made a new one today and have a few others. They're like awesomesauce. I wanna steal their brains

LT Smash wrote:
I do too. I made a new one today and have a few others. They're like awesomesauce. I wanna steal their brains

And have them point their magic lens at you

and tell you secrets

Jessica Vaugn IN MIAMI wrote:
They mock the industry I've devoted myself to with their bullshit. That is why.

Sadly, you can't control the actions of others! The people you claim "mock the industry" either don't spend a good portion of time on this website to her your rant, too preoccupied with other things in their lives, or they feel your opinion is not worth hearing. You have nothing to worry about. The people you claim "Mock The Industry" will either wise and change their approach, or they'll move on to a more stable career that doesn't require nudity as a job requirement.

Moore Photo Graphix wrote:

Sadly, you can't control the actions of others! The people you claim "mock the industry" either don't spend a good portion of time on this website, too preoccupied with other things in their lives, or they feel your opinion is not worth hearing. You have nothing to worry about. The people you claim "Mock The Industry" will either wise and change their approach, or they'll move on to a more stable career that doesn't require nudity as a job requirement.

I know.

They weed themselves out.

Fine by me.

Jessica Vaugn IN MIAMI wrote:
And there they will stay, benefiting no one but you in a fraction of a way compared to how they could. If they cared enough. But they don't so plus one for you.

They neither help nor hurt you, in spite of your Saturday night ramblings.  It's a very simple deal, sell yourself the best way you know how.  If that's good enough you will be successfull, if it's not there's no one to blame but you.  Failure or success will be a result of your assets or shortcomings and a myspace girl from Peoria, Illinois will not factor into it.

Chris Keeling wrote:
Failure or success will be a result of your assets or shortcomings and a myspace girl from Peoria, Illinois will not factor into it.

Nope... they're not hurting me any! Yet they bitch there is no money for them... duh!! That is why they get burnt out and new ones pop up all the time for beginners and intermediates to shoot for free, whenever they want. Gotta keep the circle going somehow.

Jessica Vaugn IN MIAMI wrote:
So, basically the only people in favor of these models is

A) the models who we are discussing
B) the shooters who shoot TF with them.


My point exactly.

They pay me and I'm very much in favor of them.

Chris Keeling wrote:
They pay me and I'm very much in favor of them.

Go you.

I beg to differ on many girls I see in your book but nevertheless I'd never question your authority on said group of girls.
You have found a way to market off the myspace girl and that is awesome. Hell I wish I could.

Jessica Vaugn IN MIAMI wrote:

Nope... they're not hurting me any! Yet they bitch there is no money for them... duh!! That is why they get burnt out and new ones pop up all the time for beginners and intermediates to shoot for free, whenever they want. Gotta keep the circle going somehow.

And you bitch about them hurting your reputation and stealing your jobs.  Sounds like you are both on the same playing field to me.

Chris Keeling wrote:
And you bitch about them hurting your reputation and stealing your jobs.  Sounds like you are both on the same playing field to me.

There  has been no such talk in this thread about losing jobs?
You must have filled in where you did not read.

Hurting the reputation was about GLAMOUR, not mine.