Forums > Digital Art and Retouching > how to make lips shiny

Photographer

alex o

Posts: 9

Manila, National Capital Region, Philippines

my subject already says it all. i hope you can give me a tutorials. thanks!

Apr 11 10 11:21 am Link

Photographer

Duane Allen Rusty Halo

Posts: 1000

Colorado Springs, Colorado, US

Glyserine or mineral oil

Apr 11 10 11:21 am Link

Retoucher

FLEXmero

Posts: 1001

Madrid, Madrid, Spain

makeup, no idea.

Retouch: If the shine is already there, boost it. If it's not there, you can borrow shine from other images. Realistic specular reflections are very difficult to recreate from scratch.

Apr 11 10 11:23 am Link

Retoucher

Peano

Posts: 4106

Lynchburg, Virginia, US

Well, there are different kinds of shiny. Do you mean a soft sheen or a wet-look gloss?

Apr 11 10 12:56 pm Link

Photographer

alex o

Posts: 9

Manila, National Capital Region, Philippines

Peano wrote:
Well, there are different kinds of shiny. Do you mean a soft sheen or a wet-look gloss?

The wet look gloss.

Apr 11 10 01:18 pm Link

Retoucher

J Strath

Posts: 928

Los Angeles, California, US

Well if you have good painting experience, you can just "fake it" and paint in your own shine using other photos for reference.  Or, instead of starting from scratch you can copy and paste from another photo, and then adjust the color accordingly to make it blend with the original lips.

Apr 11 10 01:37 pm Link

Retoucher

Peano

Posts: 4106

Lynchburg, Virginia, US

Here are the main steps:
1 -€“ original
2 -€“ Added color: one curves adj. layer in luminosity mode, a second in color mode
3 -€“ D&B with curves adj. layers to give the lower lip more roundness
4 -€“ Adding gloss, details below 

https://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af171/retouch46/Forums/lips-four-a.jpg

Three steps for the gloss:


https://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af171/retouch46/Forums/gloss-step1.gif
1. More burning to darken shadows and set off the bright area
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https://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af171/retouch46/Forums/gloss-step2.gif
2. Paint on the specular hightlights. I used a hard brush at 100% brush opacity, then lowered layer opacity to 80%. You just have to experiment until you get shapes that look like reflections.
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https://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af171/retouch46/Forums/gloss-step3.gif
3. Faint reflection of specular highlights in the upper lip. For this I used a hard brush at 100% brush opacity, then lowered layer opacity to 8%.
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Before and after:
https://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af171/retouch46/Forums/gloss-compare.gif



Hotter color:
https://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af171/retouch46/Forums/gloss-compare2.gif

Apr 11 10 02:49 pm Link

Photographer

K Rish

Posts: 208

Dallas, Texas, US

nice

Apr 11 10 07:35 pm Link

Retoucher

J Strath

Posts: 928

Los Angeles, California, US

Peano....you are awesome.  Haha, seriously, that is beautiful!  Why aren't you uploading this stuff to your portfolio?!

Apr 11 10 07:41 pm Link

Retoucher

Peano

Posts: 4106

Lynchburg, Virginia, US

HuggleMistress wrote:
Peano....you are awesome.  Haha, seriously, that is beautiful!  Why aren't you uploading this stuff to your portfolio?!

Thanks. Do you mean just put a set of lips in my portfolio?

Apr 11 10 07:55 pm Link

Retoucher

y2cute

Posts: 267

San Francisco, California, US

Skonhet by K Rish wrote:
nice

+1 making believable specular highlights is what make it really difficult.

Apr 11 10 08:01 pm Link

Retoucher

J Strath

Posts: 928

Los Angeles, California, US

Peano wrote:

Thanks. Do you mean just put a set of lips in my portfolio?

Sure why not!  XD

Apr 11 10 08:25 pm Link

Photographer

alex o

Posts: 9

Manila, National Capital Region, Philippines

Peano thanks so much. what you posted was really cool!

Apr 11 10 09:23 pm Link

Retoucher

Elan Digital

Posts: 56

San Francisco, California, US

Peano wrote:

Thanks. Do you mean just put a set of lips in my portfolio?

I'd say so! You did a great job smile
If I were you I'd definitely put that in my port.

Apr 11 10 09:25 pm Link

Photographer

Chuckarelei

Posts: 11271

Seattle, Washington, US

Peano wrote:
Here are the main steps:
1 – original
2 – Added color: one curves adj. layer in luminosity mode, a second in color mode
3 – D&B with curves adj. layers to give the lower lip more roundness
4 – Adding gloss, details below …

Excellent tips, Peano.

This is one of those I must say..."why didn't think of that?"

Good work. Thank you for sharing.

Apr 11 10 09:33 pm Link

Retoucher

Ashish Arora

Posts: 2068

Montreal, Quebec, Canada

alex orillo wrote:
The wet look gloss.

You cannot imitate gloss in PS. Not possible if you had totally dry lips, if you had some natural gloss applied, you can build on it like Peano tells you. smile

Apr 11 10 10:12 pm Link

Photographer

NothingIsRealButTheGirl

Posts: 35726

Los Angeles, California, US

Ashish Arora wrote:

You cannot imitate gloss in PS. Not possible if you had totally dry lips

Why not?

Apr 11 10 10:14 pm Link

Retoucher

Ralooq

Posts: 26

Piteşti, Argeş, Romania

Apr 11 10 11:58 pm Link

Retoucher

Voodooeyez Studios

Posts: 68

London, England, United Kingdom

Peano - GREAT TUTORIAL! Thank you!

Apr 12 10 01:02 am Link

Retoucher

FLEXmero

Posts: 1001

Madrid, Madrid, Spain

bravo!

Apr 12 10 06:47 am Link

Retoucher

Ashish Arora

Posts: 2068

Montreal, Quebec, Canada

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:
Why not?

I mentioned totally dry. Not ones with lipstick or natural gloss or natural shiner or even wet. You need base to build on, if you start imitating gloss from scratch, it only looks fake so you can take it only to a certain level.

Some will come up with 100 tricks to add gloss, I will tell you if you had dry lips dry as hell and having nothing on, like it happens in extreme cold, that was my point. I already mentioned what Peano wrote about being really nice. smile

Apr 12 10 09:07 am Link

Retoucher

JT Graphic Designs

Posts: 92

Dallas, Texas, US

Beautifully done Peano

Apr 12 10 09:13 am Link

Retoucher

Kevin_Connery

Posts: 3307

Fullerton, California, US

Ashish Arora wrote:
You cannot imitate gloss in PS. Not possible if you had totally dry lips, if you had some natural gloss applied, you can build on it like Peano tells you. smile

Ashish Arora wrote:
You need base to build on, if you start imitating gloss from scratch, it only looks fake so you can take it only to a certain level.

Does this look fake?

There was no gloss on the original--it's as 'from scratch' as it gets.






(Of course, the original was a completely blank canvas, not a digital photograph, so a little more work was involved than touching it up, but it should demonstrate that what you're claiming isn't possible IS quite possible to an experienced artist--they've been doing it for centuries.)

Apr 12 10 08:07 pm Link

Retoucher

Ashish Arora

Posts: 2068

Montreal, Quebec, Canada

FLEXmanta wrote:
makeup, no idea.

Retouch: If the shine is already there, boost it. If it's not there, you can borrow shine from other images. Realistic specular reflections are very difficult to recreate from scratch.

Kevin, I would love to learn, I thought IMO, if you had winter dry lips, meaning dry chapped stuff, you can't turn them glossy. If you took a picture of yourself without makeup with such lips, I would love to learn the workflow to hit the lips.

Now, for the example you showed me- can you please show me a before/after, this will only help me challenge myself and break my own laws. I will have healed the lips, then some blurring, careful d&b and then the even more careful light work to achieve the realistic result. smile

And one more thing which I know as a photoshopper is true: You can only tell it was fake if you saw the before/after, the final output matters.

Edit: Currently seeking permit from some photographers to post a photo I could really help learn from you. Gets excited and joints hands to get a photo soon. big_smile

https://www.makeagif.com/media/4-13-2010/swVrxy.gif

This is what I did on the skin, but need to learn to do this on the lips. sad

What I know from my experience is that they ask you to put vaseline or some olive oil, or in some case where they want that look like Dallas brings in on the skin they ask you to use petroleum jellies like Vaseline again, I read about it in another thread, so there is a base to work on. And then, the lights do the trick to work on that base and then you post process it.

I didn't know until now you can imitate all this in PS. smile

Apr 13 10 12:57 am Link

Retoucher

Lanenga

Posts: 843

Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands

Ashish Arora wrote:

You cannot imitate gloss in PS. Not possible if you had totally dry lips, if you had some natural gloss applied, you can build on it like Peano tells you. smile

Yes you can

Apr 13 10 03:50 am Link

Photographer

shooter 88

Posts: 530

Houston, Texas, US

anything is possible with photoshop

Apr 13 10 03:56 am Link

Retoucher

Krunoslav Stifter

Posts: 3884

Santa Cruz, California, US

Lanenga wrote:
Yes you can

+1

Isn't Photoshop a paint applications as well? They use it to paint matte backgrounds in Hollywood. It should be more than enough to paint a few highlights on lips. But that is up to the painter, right?

http://www.mattepainting.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matte_%28filmmaking%29

Apr 13 10 03:57 am Link

Retoucher

Ashish Arora

Posts: 2068

Montreal, Quebec, Canada

Ok, if some of you experienced guys is willing to share tricks- I have this simple challenge for you. I have permission from the photographer for using it here. She has agreed for letting you guys retouch it.

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/MaLize/IMG_6752.jpg

Photographer: Malize Evans

Now this is not winter dry lips as I wanted, but sure there's not much shiny stuff used on the lips either. Not the perfect example to begin from, but if I learn from here, I asked for more photos without makeup and I will share.

Link to High Resolution

To teach me: Creating the real glossy lips, nothing else has to be retouched so shouldn't be disturbing. big_smile

Apr 13 10 06:10 am Link

Retoucher

Kevin_Connery

Posts: 3307

Fullerton, California, US

Ashish Arora wrote:
Kevin, I would love to learn, I thought IMO, if you had winter dry lips, meaning dry chapped stuff, you can't turn them glossy. If you took a picture of yourself without makeup with such lips, I would love to learn the workflow to hit the lips.

Now, for the example you showed me- can you please show me a before/after, this will only help me challenge myself and break my own laws.

The 'before' was a blank piece of canvas. No dry lips, no gloss, no nothing.

This shows the sequence.

Ashish Arora wrote:
And one more thing which I know as a photoshopper is true: You can only tell it was fake if you saw the before/after, the final output matters.

No worries.

Apr 13 10 07:00 am Link

Retoucher

Krunoslav Stifter

Posts: 3884

Santa Cruz, California, US

Kevin Connery wrote:
This shows the sequence.

Yeah, I saw that one. Awesome.

Apr 13 10 07:06 am Link

Model

Ally-Rose

Posts: 63

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Peano....IMPRESSSSSSSSIVE!!!!  Wow, you're good!

~ Allison-Rose

Apr 13 10 07:09 am Link

Retoucher

Ashish Arora

Posts: 2068

Montreal, Quebec, Canada

Kevin Connery wrote:
The 'before' was a blank piece of canvas. No dry lips, no gloss, no nothing.

This shows the sequence.

Wow! That's an extraordinary piece of art. Just had a quick look. That means we can create anything, forget about enhancing. yikes

Sighs and gets even more excited, please teach me just the enhancing part, I didn't have the perfect example to learn from, but to really get me tickling, I have that photo and maybe I should put this aside once I learn this one, I'll learn to do it on winter dry lips from scratch. sad

Apr 13 10 07:09 am Link

Photographer

Meg Photo

Posts: 246

Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain

Here goes my 5 cents. That's how I would do the glossy lips from dry lips (very similar to what tutorial suggested by ralook says). I know I'm now killer, so I'm sure that with a better masking and your skills you'd do it far better than me.

Starting image:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/MaLize/01-9.jpg

Duplicate layer, channel mixer to make the lips red, masking (It needs a better mask, i know tongue)
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/MaLize/02-6.jpg

Duplicate layer again, apply "Plastic Wrap" filter, detail 15 and smothness 15. Mask with the previous mask, change opacity to fit your taste:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/MaLize/03-3.jpg

Paint shines with a 10% opacity brush, and apply gausian blur. Opacity of the layer to fit your taste (very transparent, like 15%:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/MaLize/05-1.jpg

Paint the shines with the same brush:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/MaLize/04-4.jpg

I'm sure that with your skill it'll look much more natural smile

What do you think?

Apr 13 10 09:23 am Link

Photographer

Umar

Posts: 1185

New York, New York, US

Can anyone or Peano break down the process of the glossy lips further please, esp the dummies version? Possibly post an image of the layers
Thanks

Apr 13 10 10:46 am Link

Photographer

NothingIsRealButTheGirl

Posts: 35726

Los Angeles, California, US

Ümar wrote:
Can anyone or Peano break down the process of the glossy lips further please, esp the dummies version? Possibly post an image of the layers
Thanks

https://candlefind.com/uploads/images/Desserts/Red%20Candy%20Apple.jpg

Glossy things reflect light sources fairly faithfully - a softbox retains sharp edges when reflected by the bumpy ridges of glossy lips..

https://www.baronboutique.com/satin_silk/satin_burgundy.jpg

There is a satin-y undercoat. Satin reflects color much more diffusely, and goes darker when off axis.

Apr 13 10 10:51 am Link

Retoucher

Ashish Arora

Posts: 2068

Montreal, Quebec, Canada

https://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thre … st12661763

Ooh Malize, that's an attempt, but I am afraid, we need some of these guys to help us to achieve that wet gloss on the lips. And once again, thank you for the pic. smile Plus, you are working in 8 bit, I would want a solution for this in 16 bit, you don't have Plastic Wrap in 16 bit mode. I work in the latter.

P.S.: Honey, I just noticed you used the pic that didn't have bubbles and a different angle! lol

Apr 13 10 11:13 am Link

Photographer

Joan Morgades

Posts: 312

Reus, Catalonia, Spain

Thanks, Peano.

Apr 13 10 11:22 am Link

Retoucher

Peano

Posts: 4106

Lynchburg, Virginia, US

Ümar wrote:
Can anyone or Peano break down the process of the glossy lips further please, esp the dummies version? Possibly post an image of the layers
Thanks

Here's a link to the psd file.

http://www.radiantpics.com/lips_only.psd

Apr 13 10 11:33 am Link

Photographer

Erasm Roterdam

Posts: 639

Millbury, Massachusetts, US

Thanks Peano.
Having the steps was good but having the psd file is awesome.

Apr 13 10 11:43 am Link

Photographer

Umar

Posts: 1185

New York, New York, US

Peano wrote:

Here's a link to the psd file.

http://www.radiantpics.com/lips_only.psd

Peano thank you for the psd. Much appreciated.

Apr 13 10 01:33 pm Link