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canon 5d vs. mark ii 1ds
i m trying to decide between a canon 5d and a canon mark ii 1ds.... i currently use a canon 20d, which i like and plan to keep, but need higher resolution camera. thoughts on the 5d vs. the mark ii 1ds? i worry that the 5d is not a big enough improvement on my 20d. i know the mark ii 1ds is a great camera. but lately hear that it will come down in price soon. i can locate a good used 1ds for $4200. worth it, i think? Oct 06 06 05:41 pm Link well , i dont shoot digital . but i know alot of guys that have the 1d mark 2 its alot better camera than the 20d. i would only go with the 1ds if you havto have a full frame camera. the 1 series digitals produce a higher rez image than the consumer cameras. the 5d is ok i wouldnt spend the money they want for it though. whats funny is i shot a roll of kodak 100 elite chrome slides , had a drum scan done and printed a 20x24 , its better than any digital camera image i have seen. Oct 06 06 06:42 pm Link ...dude, go with the Mark IIDS. It's so sweet. I LOVE that camera. Oct 06 06 06:44 pm Link If you need higher rez then I'd recommend the Mark II N. If you only shoot studio then I'd go with with Mark II Ds. But the Mark II N is great for all around use. Oct 06 06 06:45 pm Link I participated in a test to determine the "best" skin-tone of the current crop of eight pro grade DSLRs (cameras that can be used in pro work) with Will Crockett recently. Will is a well known professional photographer, consultant and beta tester for a considerable amount of industry corporations (He also runs shootsmarter.com and Shoot Smarter University). However, in doing tests of products he remains true with no influence from companies and tells it like it is. I can attest to this as this test was blindly judged. Of all cameras tested the 5D delivered the best skin tones and the 1Ds Mk II the worst it came in last at eight, that's right we were all very suprised and I myself shoot Nikon and Fuji. The 5D makes me consider switching or adding it for studio work which it is absolutely perfect for. It has a full frame sensor like the 1Ds Mk II and a much smaller price tag. Oct 06 06 07:29 pm Link wishingtreephotography wrote: The 1DsMkII is my main camera. I like it a lot. I shoot with a 20D as a backup or second body. It reminds me of how much I like the 1DsMkII. Oct 06 06 07:32 pm Link the 5D is full frame, so its more that just a more expensive version of the 20D. Oct 06 06 08:10 pm Link First, don't confuse a 1D with a 1Ds. The 1D is intended largely as a sports/photojournalist camera. Its primary feature is a blazing fast frame rate. The 1Ds is a full-frame high resolution sensor camera built like a tank. Great for stock, nature, and studio work, but too slow for most sports or action photography. They both look very similar on the outside, both having the solid magnesium body, built like a tank, so they are easy to confuse. Both cameras now have a Mark II version. The current versions are 1D mkII N (sports camera), and 1Ds mkII (ful-frame sensor). $4200 for a used 1Ds (not mkII) is ridiculously high, but quite reasonable for a 1Ds mkII. A 5D is also a full frame sensor DSLR. Like the 1Ds mk II, it has a great sensor, but is too slow for most action photography. The primary differences are that the 1Ds has the tank-like magnesium body, full weather seals, and 45 point auto-focus. It is slightly higher resolution, but not that great of a difference. In overly simplistic terms, the 5D is sort of like having the sensor of a 1Ds in the body of a 20D. So if you shoot in a rough environment (dense rain forest, desert, ocean spray, arctic), and need that construction, then you need the 1Ds. If you shoot mostly in a studio, or in relatively mild environments, then a 5D is probably fine. If you think you need a 1Ds, then you might want to hold off a bit. The current version, the 1Ds mk II, is now Canon's oldest DSLR still on the market. It is undoubtedly next on Canon's calendar for an upgrade. It will not surprise anyone if a 1Ds mk III (or whatever) comes out within the next 6 months. Oct 07 06 12:53 am Link i might need both the 5d and the 1Ds mkII....damn too bad i can't have both! Oct 07 06 09:02 am Link By comparison to the 5D, the 20D is almost a lemon. Huge difference in many ways including sharp, crisp images, rich color and exquisite tonal gradiations that still stun me each time I download. My ability to hand hold in low light situations is much better with the 5D. The full frame is a huge plus too. I have over 100,000 shutter clicks on my 20D, and I've had a number of excellent cameras since 1972. I can unequivocably say that the 5D is the best camera I've ever had. Comparing a 5D to a 20D is apples and oranges. Oct 07 06 09:21 am Link Sounds like an interesting test -- is it going to appear on the web or in print somewhere? I'm very curious about whether this was done in RAW or jpg mode? Thanks! Paul Culture Image wrote: Oct 07 06 09:51 am Link Culture Image wrote: Note that the skin tone test was of 1 model and the people doing the scoring was a very small group of people. Since skin tones vary *a lot* you need to put the test in context. Also, the score differences between the 5D, S3pro were negligible, with the D200 close behind. Then there's a decent gap followed by the other cameras. Oct 07 06 09:52 am Link Strange about that skin test, I have found the opposite with the 1DS2 versus a fuji s2/3, 20D, 5D or d2x, the skin tones of the 1DSM2 have never been a problem for me, and all I shoot is skin usually. Stephen Eastwood http://www.PhotographersPortfolio.com Oct 07 06 10:01 am Link darkfotoart wrote: You clearly need to get out more. Oct 07 06 10:04 am Link Besides the obvious full frame difference, the 5D has lower noise and higher dynamic range as compared to the 20D. The 20D has a faster frame rate and so I haven't been able to give it up. (I actually have two of them now) I shoot a lot of portraits (large pictures) and scenes with high dynamic range with my 5D and a lot of candids and sports with my 20D. I'd love to get a 1D Mark IIN for sports (8.5fps) and am looking forward to see what replaces either the 5D or the 1Ds Mark II (possibly next year). Anything that beats these cameras is going to be awesome. Oct 07 06 10:04 am Link Not quite sure why you ask that question. The 5D is a good camera and the Mark II 1Ds is the best... there really is no comparing these two as a professional photographer. Go to Steve's Digicams to read the reviews, 5D is just a great consumer camera.. the 1Ds is the BEST professional camera. Money is no object if you are doing this for a living. 12 MP's isn't bad, but the 5D body is boring and on old technology. Conclusion - Pros Excellent resolution, a real upgrade for eight megapixel Canon owners (EOS 20D) Full frame 35 mm size sensor delivers film-like shooting experience, real wide angle Very large, bright viewfinder really fills your vision Very low noise even at higher sensitivities About a third of a stop more sensitive than indicated Very well implemented large buffer supported by fast CF throughput Very well built, more robust feeling than the EOS 20D (closer to 1D build) Very fast in use, short shutter lag, instant startup Spot metering (wasn't available on the EOS 20D) New Picture Styles make it easier to get 'ready to use' results straight from the camera Wide range of image parameter adjustment (-4 to +4 for most) Wide range of ISO sensitivities, ISO 50 - 3200 (with 'ISO Expansion' enabled) Huge LCD monitor with great resolution, dimmer than some smaller screens Soft touch shutter release Proper RAW+JPEG with immediately selectable JPEG image size Interchangeable focus screen Remote tethered capture software for studio work (included) Orientation sensor Optional WFT-E1 wireless transmitter (802.11 b/g) Supplied software bundle very good; ZoomBrowser EX and DPP both matured now Conclusion - Cons Edge softness / falloff / chromatic aberrations, needs good lenses AI Servo (continuous AF) interference banding issue (certain lenses, high sensitivities) Same old 'CF compartment door shuts camera down' issue Picture Style differences between RAW Image Task/Camera and DPP Picture Style tone curve not indicated in camera menu (contrast is an offset, not absolute) Pretty average automatic white balance in artificial light Mirror lock-up still buried in menus (should be a continuous shooting mode option) No mass storage device USB mode, limited throughput (just 2.5 MB/sec) No anti-reflective coating on LCD monitor No GPS support No built-in flash, no built-in AF assist lamp Price premium over cropped sensor cameras Oct 07 06 10:18 am Link Stephen Melvin wrote: why be rude , i have seen alot of digital enlargements. im sure there are some great ones i havnt seen. ill put 6x7 cm slides against digital any day. and digital isnt even close to 8x10 cameras. not saying digital cameras arent good , i just dont see big prints that look all that great. Oct 07 06 08:51 pm Link Humn, and now for a modernization of the debate? May 27 09 05:17 pm Link  Moderator Warning!Jason Todd Ipson wrote: Is this to still compare the same two camera models? If not, you probably should open a new thread. May 27 09 06:08 pm Link OP, I have both the 5D Mk2 and the 1Ds Mk2. I only use the 1Ds Mk2 as a backup now days. And it is an awesome camera! But it has small LCD. And pretty noisy at high ISO's. I have had the 5D Mk2 since Jan. If you are willing to spend over 4 grand for a new camera, you should go for the 5D Mk2. It is under around 3300 bucks with the battery grip. The low light capabilities and resolution of the 5D Mk2 are pretty awesome! May 27 09 06:21 pm Link Pretty lame ressurecting a three year old technology discussion. Open a new thread about cameras that are meaningful to you. May 27 09 07:21 pm Link I have 5d and 1dII (and more), go for 1dsII, much better camera. May 27 09 08:05 pm Link Issac Baldizon wrote: So you're recommending a 8.2mp camera to replace a 8.2mp camera for higher resolution needs? May 27 09 08:28 pm Link Issac Baldizon wrote: THE 1D mk IIN doesn't have more resolution than the 20D. Go with 1DS it is a nice camera. May 27 09 08:31 pm Link Kevin Connery wrote: It was because I did a search on the forums for GPS on the Canon Cameras, and this was the thread it pulled up. I asked the question, then saw that it was 3 years old after asking... May 27 09 10:32 pm Link wishingtree photography wrote: Not your original question, but if you have the budget, how about a 5dii? May 28 09 12:09 am Link wishingtree photography wrote: Right on! I totally agree! Damn digital dollar limitations! Jul 20 09 04:44 pm Link I have the Canon 5D Mark II and LOOOOOOVE it. It is lightweight (for a pro camera) and really delivers. The image quality is outstanding. I have produced 60x40 canvases with images shot with it and the quality is awesome. I don't see any reason to spend more on the bigger name camera. Jul 20 09 04:49 pm Link I went from a 1DsII to the 5DII. I can't imagine being stuck with that 1DsII again. The 5DII has a self-cleaning sensor, 21.5MP file, smaller, lighter, just a better camera all around. If you really like carrying a camera around the size of a cinder block with a dusty sensor, by all means, get the 1DsII. I had one for five years and don't miss it one little bit! Jul 20 09 04:59 pm Link |
