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Tony Lawrence
Posts: 18,989
Chicago, Illinois, US


What do you think of it?   The display looks fantastic but the price tag...
I'm thinking of getting one.
Jun 14 12 06:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Quang Dang
Posts: 2,955
Montreal, Quebec, Canada


Tony Lawrence wrote:
What do you think of it?   The display looks fantastic but the price tag...
I'm thinking of getting one.

Before thinking to buy one, read this:

http://mashable.com/2012/06/14/reasons- … cbook-pro/


IMO, it's overpriced I would get Samsung Series 9 15'' instead if thin size matter to you and it's not overpriced...

Jun 14 12 07:32 pm  Link  Quote 
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Tony Lawrence
Posts: 18,989
Chicago, Illinois, US


That Samsung looks sweet also.   I just love the new iPad display and on a laptop...  I want one.
Jun 14 12 07:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Quang Dang
Posts: 2,955
Montreal, Quebec, Canada


Tony Lawrence wrote:
That Samsung looks sweet also.   I just love the new iPad display and on a laptop...  I want one.

Yeah Samsung series 9 is really a nice and it's as thin as MBA I believe and not overpriced.

Btw, if Retina Screen is really matter to you which I'm sure, I think you should way for the new iMac coming with bigger screen size including Retina+anti-glare, besides u still have DVD-CD drive. Bottom line, it's not overpriced, you save money for something else...

Another article regarding new MBP:

Verdict

It's for those who demand the very best and are willing to pay for it. The Retina Display is a positively sublime canvas for both content consumption and creation. It's really in its own league. Our only real complaint is the heat, though we only felt it on the keyboard.

http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops … splay.aspx
Just a thought dude!

Jun 14 12 07:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
StromePhoto II
Posts: 81
Kalamazoo, Michigan, US


Mine should be delivered early next week.  Can't wait smile
Jun 14 12 08:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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netmodel
Posts: 6,786
Austin, Texas, US


Retina Display.... and MacOSX ability to scale the elements/controls/text well so they don't appear too small for you. Windows suck at that one... the DPI scaling on Windows just don't work as well as MacOSX although Windows8 is expected to have dramatic improvements in DPI scaling.
Jun 14 12 08:18 pm  Link  Quote 
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What Fun Productions
Posts: 20,146
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Windows 8 on the Retina Display MacBook Pro

"Windows 7 by default starts up at 800 x 600 on the Retina MBP, Windows 8 defaults to 1024 x 768. This behavior isn't specific to this system, the GeForce GT 650M doesn't have native driver support in either OS at this point and these are the defaults for the standard VGA driver in both cases. Windows 7 won't expose any resolutions higher than 1600 x 1200 without an actual NVIDIA driver, while Windows 8 will let you select the full 2880 x 1800 panel resolution:

...This is just an insane panel. I'm typing this on my 27-inch 2560 x 1440 display, and to think that the 15.4-inch panel next to it has 40% more pixels is mind blowing."

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6008/wind … acbook-pro
Jun 14 12 09:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
R A V E N D R I V E
Posts: 15,867
New York, New York, US


I just bought an air, I might be overleveraged on debt now with some other purchases I made, so I'm going to pay off most of it now.

Its more of a mental limit where the sirens go off, than an actual one
Jun 14 12 09:36 pm  Link  Quote 
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DOUGLASFOTOS
Posts: 8,066
Los Angeles, California, US


Where did I misplace that...$3,749.00??

For an 768G Solid State Drive, 16GB of Memory......15.4 inch Apple Mac Pro....
Jun 14 12 09:44 pm  Link  Quote 
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What Fun Productions
Posts: 20,146
Phoenix, Arizona, US


DOUGLASFOTOS wrote:
Where did I misplace that...$3,749.00??

For an 768G Solid State Drive, 16GB of Memory......15.4 inch Apple Mac Pro....

Using Appleā€™s Find My Mac Feature

http://gadgetwise.blogs.nytimes.com/201 … c-feature/

Jun 14 12 09:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
R A V E N D R I V E
Posts: 15,867
New York, New York, US


DOUGLASFOTOS wrote:
Where did I misplace that...$3,749.00??

For an 768G Solid State Drive, 16GB of Memory......15.4 inch Apple Mac Pro....

yeah

$2200 for the model I chose. I REALLY WANTED THAT SSD, no compromises.

the similarly spec'd 13" macbook pro cost $2700 for the same and sometimes lesser internals than the 13" macbook air


details.

Jun 14 12 09:54 pm  Link  Quote 
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LightAndShadows
Posts: 98
Hanford, California, US


I'm disappointed that the two 13" models of the MBP seem to only have the basic intel graphics processor (Intel HD Graphics 4000) and lack the NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M ( you have to pick a 15" to get that, with varying amounts of graphics memory).

I've done some editing on a friend's 2009 model 13" MBP and it had a small older GeForce card in it ( either 64 or 128 MB of graphics memory); it wasn't super fast, but it was livable.

Does anyone know if the new "no-GeForce" 13-inch models can run various photo editing software ( lightroom, aperture, photoshop, etc)  with zero problems, or is the lack of the NVIDIA card going cripple them ( slow them to a crawl)?
Jun 15 12 01:34 am  Link  Quote 
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nwprophoto
Posts: 13,911
Kalibo, Western Visayas, Philippines


LightAndShadows wrote:
Does anyone know if the new "no-GeForce" 13-inch models can run various photo editing software ( lightroom, aperture, photoshop, etc)  with zero problems, or is the lack of the NVIDIA card going cripple them ( slow them to a crawl)?

PS will run a limited number of effects on cards with OpenGL.

http://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb/gpu … p-cs4.html

Jun 15 12 04:03 am  Link  Quote 
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R A V E N D R I V E
Posts: 15,867
New York, New York, US


LightAndShadows wrote:
I'm disappointed that the two 13" models of the MBP seem to only have the basic intel graphics processor (Intel HD Graphics 4000) and lack the NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M ( you have to pick a 15" to get that, with varying amounts of graphics memory).

I've done some editing on a friend's 2009 model 13" MBP and it had a small older GeForce card in it ( either 64 or 128 MB of graphics memory); it wasn't super fast, but it was livable.

Does anyone know if the new "no-GeForce" 13-inch models can run various photo editing software ( lightroom, aperture, photoshop, etc)  with zero problems, or is the lack of the NVIDIA card going cripple them ( slow them to a crawl)?

despite being "graphical" programs, lightroom, aperture, photoshop do not rely on graphics cards........

lol.

ample memory - which these laptops have - and a fast main drive - which these laptops have as SSDs - and an up-to-par processors - which these laptops have - are what makes a difference in those programs

Jun 15 12 06:36 am  Link  Quote 
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LightAndShadows
Posts: 98
Hanford, California, US


R A V E N D R I V E wrote:

despite being "graphical" programs, lightroom, aperture, photoshop do not rely on graphics cards........

lol.

ample memory - which these laptops have - and a fast main drive - which these laptops have as SSDs - and an up-to-par processors - which these laptops have - are what makes a difference in those programs

Thanks Raven, that helps clear up part of my dilema, as I keep hearing from some people you need the fancier graphics card, and some say you don't.

Speaking of processors, the 13-inch while they are i7s are just dual core, and you have to get the 15-inch model to get an i7 quad core.

Is the difference between dual and quad going to be that noticeable with current editing software?

What is your guess about software a year or two from now?

I'd hate to buy the wrong model ( pay too much for unused cores, or not having all four cores in a year or two).

Jun 21 12 08:52 pm  Link  Quote 
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R A V E N D R I V E
Posts: 15,867
New York, New York, US


LightAndShadows wrote:
Thanks Raven, that helps clear up part of my dilema, as I keep hearing from some people you need the fancier graphics card, and some say you don't.

Speaking of processors, the 13-inch while they are i7s are just dual core, and you have to get the 15-inch model to get an i7 quad core.

Is the difference between dual and quad going to be that noticeable with current editing software?

What is your guess about software a year or two from now?

I'd hate to buy the wrong model ( pay too much for unused cores, or not having all four cores in a year or two).

okay. I got a macbook air

it has a 8gb RAM, Core i7 dual core, and a 512gb SSD.

here are some observations to help your decision
- I work with 18 megapixel RAW files. Lightroom renders these from "loading" to full view in develop in 1.5 seconds.

- "Edit in photoshop" straight from Lightroom 3 (which renders the RAW , opens photoshop cs5 and loads the wysiwg RAW ready to edit) takes 5 seconds. Bouncing a file from lightroom to photoshop while photoshop is already open takes 3 seconds

- When I shut down my computer - if ever - I let OSX keep the state of all my programs. From boot to login screen seems to take less than 10 seconds. From login to reloading the state of photoshop and other programs seems to be instant. back to editing, back to all my browser tabs, etc.

- alot of .tiff and .psd files I work with are at least 100mb, I don't notice.



case in point: the macbook pro (with an ssd) should be faster.

for video editing the quad core will be noticeable. for video editing in after effects the quad core will be really noticeable. This is mainly for special effects and time spent rendering. Although if you have a lot of effects in AE and are doing keyframing, your quad core and memory will definitely help you there too

a 15inch with 16gb ram and quad core will be a dream machine. what is it, only like 5lbs?

I personally only want machines in the 12-14inch form factor, with much larger external monitors.

After Effects will eat up resources on any machine in existence right now. So more is always better for that one limited application.

If you are not video editing with lots of layers and effects a lot, those machines are not for you. The lesser machines are also *very* capable of video editing, btw. So its not like you are locked out

Jun 21 12 09:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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nwprophoto
Posts: 13,911
Kalibo, Western Visayas, Philippines


R A V E N D R I V E wrote:
Thanks Raven, that helps clear up part of my dilema, as I k
If you are not video editing with lots of layers and effects a lot, those machines are not for you. The lesser machines are also *very* capable of video editing, btw. So its not like you are locked out

Trying to edit video on a laptop sounds pretty dismal from the starting gate smile

Jun 21 12 09:44 pm  Link  Quote 
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R A V E N D R I V E
Posts: 15,867
New York, New York, US


nwprophoto wrote:
Trying to edit video on a laptop sounds pretty dismal from the starting gate smile

yes, but the internals are not so different from a powerhouse desktop I built in early 2010 which had core i7 4 cores, hyperthreading. 12gb ram. underutilized gpu.


so hook that baby up to an external monitor and pretend like you have a whirring tower next to you


that aside, at conferences I've seen people editing on much lesser powered fat laptops in the lobbies of hotels

Jun 21 12 09:55 pm  Link  Quote 
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nwprophoto
Posts: 13,911
Kalibo, Western Visayas, Philippines


Even a fast laptop is still a PIA.

A lot of monitors, fast hard drive array and kick ass GPU
makes life so much easier.
Jun 21 12 10:11 pm  Link  Quote 
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nwprophoto
Posts: 13,911
Kalibo, Western Visayas, Philippines


R A V E N D R I V E wrote:
that aside, at conferences I've seen people editing on much lesser powered fat laptops in the lobbies of hotels

Probably most every Film Study Student in the country used FCP on a laptop until last year.

Jun 21 12 10:18 pm  Link  Quote 
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Let There Be Light
Posts: 7,657
Los Angeles, California, US


R A V E N D R I V E wrote:

yeah

$2200 for the model I chose. I REALLY WANTED THAT SSD, no compromises.

Technically, the MacBook Pro Retina doesn't use SSDs. It has Apple's proprietary flash memory card design that plugs into the motherboard rather than a 2.5-inch SSD that attaches to a SATA port.

Jun 21 12 10:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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R A V E N D R I V E
Posts: 15,867
New York, New York, US


Let There Be Light wrote:

Technically, the MacBook Pro Retina doesn't use SSDs. It has Apple's proprietary flash memory card design that plugs into the motherboard rather than a 2.5-inch SSD that attaches to a SATA port.

smile  this is an ssd by nature

have you ever seen the inside of a standard ssd?

just an array of proprietary flash memory cards soldered into a board with an integrated circuit

Jun 21 12 10:28 pm  Link  Quote 
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Art Silva
Posts: 8,968
Santa Barbara, California, US


For those that are reading into all the biased negative report articles and ranting should really go and see one of these machines and play with it.

I played with a few at the Apple store two days ago and holy wow!
*Yes the Retina Display makes a difference, side by side with past MBPs it is obvious when looking at and zooming on text and photos, definitely a photographers and graphic artists dream if you are editing at the pixel level.
*whoever believed that report of it overheating should not believe everything they read. These same machines I was playing with were going through the gamut with endless customers for hours and I felt nothing different than any other laptop, in fact it ran cooler than my 2009 MBP, probably because of the new venting & fan "system" in the new models.
What impressed me most was the speed of launching all of the Adobe apps, PS and the rest were Instant On and OS restarts took less than a minute (off to on and running).

Do I think that it's worth the price tag? After a first hand test run and all it offers, Yes!
Jun 21 12 11:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
modeled
Posts: 9,334
San Diego, California, US


^ and now I'm salivating. smile
Jun 22 12 12:44 am  Link  Quote 
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nwprophoto
Posts: 13,911
Kalibo, Western Visayas, Philippines


Art Silva Photography wrote:
I played with a few at the Apple store two days ago

Do I think that it's worth the price tag?

So, did you bring one home?

Jun 22 12 06:05 am  Link  Quote 
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R A V E N D R I V E
Posts: 15,867
New York, New York, US


I was initially concerned about battery life, on the macbook air apple claims up to 7 hours. 5 hours more practically

well I got a large SSD, double the RAM and a faster processor.... what of battery life now?


result so far is that 5-7 hours still stands, and thats a long time for a laptop.

and that between dicking around all evening - browsing net, editing photos, and watching hd movies. for intermittent use while travelling around without your charger, I think this is very good.


love this machine
Jun 22 12 11:45 am  Link  Quote 
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Gulag
Posts: 1,222
Duluth, Georgia, US


its tough to be a photog these days with constant upgrading not only camera gear but digital darkroom too! insanely unprofitable from biz perspective tho imho.
Jun 22 12 02:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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nwprophoto
Posts: 13,911
Kalibo, Western Visayas, Philippines


mshi wrote:
its tough to be a photog these days with constant upgrading not only camera gear but digital darkroom too! insanely unprofitable from biz perspective tho imho.

Its not like you need a $3500 MB Pro too edit pix.
Thing is a luxury item for those with deep pockets.

Jun 22 12 02:38 pm  Link  Quote 
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Art Silva
Posts: 8,968
Santa Barbara, California, US


nwprophoto wrote:
So, did you bring one home?

They're already sold out of the first stock, which is okay with me as I have to find a new place to live in the next couple months and take care of some debts first.
Besides for my 2009 MBP I have ordered a SSD boot drive replacement with a second 1TB HDD for storage to replace my Superdrive which will now be external. That should get me buy till I am ready to purchase the Retina MBP

Jun 22 12 02:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
katlyn lacoste
Posts: 492
Tacoma, Washington, US


I want one
Jun 22 12 02:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Andy Durazo
Posts: 24,420
Los Angeles, California, US


But I want a 17"

yikes
Jun 22 12 10:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Legacys 7
Posts: 33,776
San Francisco, California, US


mshi wrote:
its tough to be a photog these days with constant upgrading not only camera gear but digital darkroom too! insanely unprofitable from biz perspective tho imho.

Yeah. If you're trying to keep up with the Jones, then yes. But you don't need that shit to improve your photography skills or keep your business going. If you can afford, then go for it.

Jun 23 12 12:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
R A V E N D R I V E
Posts: 15,867
New York, New York, US


I just want to say that I love how this machine is 2lbs.

I used to make fun of how people and reviewers called laptops "heavy" when they are only 5-10lbs, but this thing is really light! like a 2lb feather!

kind of surreal to me here in the present, ask me what I think two years from now
Jun 24 12 11:24 am  Link  Quote 
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Digitoxin
Posts: 13,336
Houston, Texas, US


I have a new 11",  i7, 8gig RAM, 256g SSD coming today....  I will let y'all know what I think.
Jun 25 12 02:08 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
nwprophoto
Posts: 13,911
Kalibo, Western Visayas, Philippines


Art Silva Photography wrote:
They're already sold out of the first stock, which is okay with me

Probably a good thing



"
Earlier this week, The Next Web noted that some early purchasers of the Retina MacBook Pro have been experiencing "ghosting" on their machines' displays, with remnants of previously-displayed screen contents remaining visible for some time afterward.

Apple has reportedly been replacing machines affected by the issue, but tight supplies of the Retina MacBook Pro could result in waits for the replacement units."

Jun 28 12 11:34 am  Link  Quote 
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