Forums > General Industry > Black models: Glamour vs. Urban Glamour

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xxxxxxxx

Posts: 2

Clermont, Florida, US

Let me start by saying I just want to model! I don't care about style; however, I understand by certain standards I should focus my efforts on some type of glamour, which is good because I always enjoy my glamour sessions; I'm comfortable to a maxim standard.

My first question is for any black glamour models out there who, like me, don't quite fit the urban glamour standards? What publications have you had success with (glamour or urban glamour)? If you find work as an urban model (black, white or inbetween) what things do you do to compensate for your lack of T&A?

Also, I've done (and continue to) research, but have been coming up short..if you know of any black models that have made notable careers for themselves in the glamour industry (excluding urban glamour), please share smile finally, I'm pretty much all legs..what are some publications that cater to legs, maybe I could start there.

Thanks for any help.
Just Kat

Aug 12 12 08:34 am Link

Model

QuietAsKept

Posts: 5935

Baltimore, Maryland, US

I'm no expert on glamour modeling since I've never done it before. In my opinion, most of the Black glamour models who've been successful outside of urban glamour have posed for Playboy (but of course, you have to be comfortable with posing nude).

Aug 12 12 08:38 am Link

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Jhono Bashian

Posts: 2464

Cleveland, Ohio, US

QuietAsKept wrote:
I'm no expert on glamour llamaing since I've never done it before. In my opinion, most of the Black glamour llamas who've been successful outside of urban glamour have posed for Playboy (but of course, you have to be comfortable with posing nude).

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Aug 12 12 08:47 am Link

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Uncommon Allure

Posts: 399

Kansas City, Missouri, US

I'm not in ' the business' but, from looking around MM, black models are doing all kinds of work from edgy bondage  art to J.C. Penneys catalogs.  Work with photographers whose work you like and see where it takes you. Contact wardrobe designers through MM who do work you like and offer to model their clothes.
You are a beautiful woman, black, blue or otherwise, with a great range of style and expression.  Some ideas : Men's tuxedo : working the ' country' look with jeans, boots and cowboy hat: contact a local bridal supply and shoot in one of their dresses : get a pair of old TV antennas and a silver lamee jump suit and do a ' My Favorite Martian' theme ( okay, I'm old. Look it up).
And don't let anyone but you decide where the walls are.

Aug 12 12 09:06 am Link

Model

Ms Katie Blair

Posts: 95

Kaiserslautern, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany

So, what is the difference between urban glamour and glamour?

Jun 23 14 07:04 am Link

Photographer

sonn

Posts: 41

Colorado Springs, Colorado, US

very interesting...

maybe this isn't the place lol

Jun 23 14 08:14 am Link

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A-M-P

Posts: 18465

Orlando, Florida, US

I googled Black model maxim and did not get a single black model Weird.

Anyhow typically with maxim you can get away with having less butt etc I know most of the other magazine like King etc most of the models they feature have huge butts.

Jun 23 14 08:27 am Link

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Solas

Posts: 10390

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Zombiezź

Jun 23 14 09:00 am Link

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Mark Salo

Posts: 11726

Olney, Maryland, US

Ms Katie Blair wrote:
So, what is the difference between urban glamour and glamour?

big butts

Jun 23 14 09:11 am Link

Photographer

Modella Bella

Posts: 8

Miami, Florida, US

Find what makes you happy and supports your goals.

Jun 23 14 09:16 am Link

Model

J Jessica

Posts: 2431

Coconut Creek, Florida, US

This thread is from 2012

Jun 23 14 09:21 am Link

Photographer

sonn

Posts: 41

Colorado Springs, Colorado, US

this is super entertaining...i mean each response gets better.

my views on the topic...

if i say the word 'design' in my community, there is absolutely no context,
so, that goes for this scenario as well...its no different than playboy-hustler vs. purple mag lol

Jun 23 14 10:02 am Link

Model

Ms Katie Blair

Posts: 95

Kaiserslautern, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany

Hmmm, there is a difference in Playboy and Hustler...

Playboy is more prestige..in Hustler the females spread their legs, along with insertion...

Jun 23 14 10:08 am Link

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salvatori.

Posts: 4288

Amundsen-Scott - permanent station of the US, Unclaimed Sector, Antarctica

I'm not sure I know a single person that would classify 'Hustler' as a glamor mag.

Jun 23 14 10:13 am Link

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udor

Posts: 25255

New York, New York, US

Ms Katie Blair wrote:
Hmmm, there is a difference in Playboy and Hustler...

Playboy is more prestige..in Hustler the females spread their legs, along with insertion...

This is probably the easiest way to compare glamour vs. urban glamour:

Playboy vs. King Magazine (or Black Men's Mag.)






Btw., I worked with John Blassingame the publisher of Black Men's Mag, Hype Hair, Black Woman Today, etc.) for many years, covering fashion shows produced by him.  I don't shoot glamour, because it's not my thing... unless it's paid... then it's my thing... evilgrin

Jun 23 14 10:15 am Link

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sonn

Posts: 41

Colorado Springs, Colorado, US

hustler playboy - king smooth

all the same to me, different sides of the spectrum.

Jun 23 14 10:32 am Link

Photographer

Brooklyn Bridge Images

Posts: 13200

Brooklyn, New York, US

Ms Katie Blair wrote:
So, what is the difference between urban glamour and glamour?

Urban highlights women of color

Jun 23 14 10:47 am Link

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highStrangeness

Posts: 2485

Carmichael, California, US

sonn wrote:
hustler playboy - king smooth

all the same to me, different sides of the spectrum.

Hustler, Playboy, and King Magazine ... all the same?

That sure is painting with a broad brush, there!

Jun 23 14 10:51 am Link

Photographer

I M N Photography

Posts: 2350

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Ms Katie Blair wrote:
So, what is the difference between urban glamour and glamour?

Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote:
Urban highlights women of color

Consider the audience and its sexual interests.
Urban Glamour in inner city Chicago, is not the same as Moscow, Tokyo, or other countries with large urban populations.

Limiting the models to young black women, ignores the urban demographics of other countries.

Jun 23 14 10:52 am Link

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AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 13053

Atlanta, Georgia, US

J Jessica wrote:
This thread is from 2012

Yet off they go sad

Jun 23 14 11:02 am Link

Photographer

I M N Photography

Posts: 2350

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Urban Glamour is all about lifestyle and sex appeal aimed at young urban males. This demographic, unfortunately (or fortunately, if you are a publisher) has been categorized as having an unrealistic body image of women, their values, and their sexual interests.

The models are not necessarily African American, but they are definitely portrayed as "exotic" in order to imply an unusually large libido in proportion to their body parts.

In other words:
1. Take Glamour (not the magazine, but the sex appeal)
2. Look for your target demographic (young, urban males)
3. Photograph models in a way that showcases what that demographic finds most appealing in a sexually objectifying manner, and you have Urban Glamour.

NOTE: Although not particularly high end editorial pieces that include lots of Photoshopped  body parts, Maxim is still considered Urban Glamour, because of the way models are presented to its target audience of young urban readers.

Jun 23 14 11:06 am Link

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sonn

Posts: 41

Colorado Springs, Colorado, US

all of these mag's adhere to the false image. so...we know this and now what?

anyone heard of patriarchy?

Jun 23 14 11:33 am Link

Model

D A N I

Posts: 4627

Little Rock, Arkansas, US

Ms Katie Blair wrote:
So, what is the difference between urban glamour and glamour?

Skin color and the amount of fat you have in you booty cheeks

Jun 23 14 11:46 am Link

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L o n d o n F o g

Posts: 7497

London, England, United Kingdom

WTF, kill this shit off please!

Jun 23 14 12:05 pm Link

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Brooklyn Bridge Images

Posts: 13200

Brooklyn, New York, US

I M N Photography wrote:

Consider the audience and its sexual interests.
Urban Glamour in inner city Chicago, is not the same as Moscow, Tokyo, or other countries with large urban populations.

Limiting the models to young black women, ignores the urban demographics of other countries.

Are King Mag and Smooth are intended for those places(Moscow.Tokyo)
Heck NO!!!
American Inner city populations are their demographic
Places with large Black, Hispanic populations
Their models reflect their readership

Jun 23 14 12:14 pm Link

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Brooklyn Bridge Images

Posts: 13200

Brooklyn, New York, US

London Fog wrote:
WTF, kill this shit off please!

Whats wrong now ?

Jun 23 14 12:19 pm Link

Photographer

I M N Photography

Posts: 2350

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote:
Are King Mag and Smooth are intended for those places(Moscow.Tokyo)
Heck NO!!!
American Inner city populations are their demographic
Places with large Black, Hispanic populations
Their models reflect their readership

Not sure if you are disagreeing, but you just proved my point.

Urban Glamour is targeted at multiple population demographics, and each demographic is likely unfamiliar with foreign publications (i. e., King and Smooth are not well known outside of the USA).

Not every Urban population on the planet is comprised of large black and/or hispanic populations.

Taken as a whole, ALL Urban areas are targets for Urban Glamour publications, but they are not necessarily dominated by the American Urban Glamour publishers.

That is why it is dangerous to "generalize" by using specific magazines, or even ethnicities.

Jun 23 14 12:28 pm Link

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Brooklyn Bridge Images

Posts: 13200

Brooklyn, New York, US

I M N Photography wrote:

I think you are taking the term Urban Glamour too literally
American Inner City Glamour would be a more accurate label
These magazines do not cater to an international market the way Vouge does
Their market is Philly, Chicago, Detroit, NY  etc. Not Stalingrad or Beijng

Jun 23 14 12:37 pm Link

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I M N Photography

Posts: 2350

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote:
I think you are taking the term Urban Glamour too literally
American Inner City Glamour would be a more accurate label
These magazines do not cater to an international market the way Vouge does
Their market is Philly, Chicago, Detroit, NY  etc. Not Stalingrad or Beijng

You don't realize it, but we are agreeing.

Aside from your need to give a general term a very limited meaning,  I dont disagree that there is an American version of Urban Glamour.

Other countries have their own version of Urban Glamour, the only difference can be found in their local celebrity icons, and what they consider appealing to their young urban population.

These publications are not necessarily owned by an American publisher.

The models in these publications do not necessarily look like their American counterparts.

These publications appeal to a different demographics, and some of them do not consider blacks as part of it.

It isn't a race thing.

It is all about readership demographics.

Believe it or not, there IS a publishing world outside of Philly, Chicago, Detroit, New York (etc.).

Jun 23 14 12:44 pm Link

Model

Ms Katie Blair

Posts: 95

Kaiserslautern, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany

Danielle Reid wrote:

Skin color and the amount of fat you have in you booty cheeks

I don't believe this is true, since a few photographers who have relationships with these magazines have approached me... the smaller ones like http://vixensmag.com/ or http://www.flavagirlmagazine.com/

So, I can't really say it's based on color...they do seem more seductive/raunchy than say Maxim

Jun 23 14 12:58 pm Link

Model

D A N I

Posts: 4627

Little Rock, Arkansas, US

Ms Katie Blair wrote:
I don't believe this is true, since a few photographers who have relationships with these magazines have approached me... the smaller ones like http://vixensmag.com/ or http://www.flavagirlmagazine.com/

So, I can't really say it's based on color...they do seem more seductive/raunchy than say Maxim

K

Also, from just the 1st 4 photos on Flava Girl you see they are all minority...so there's some truth to what I said

Jun 23 14 01:05 pm Link

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Brooklyn Bridge Images

Posts: 13200

Brooklyn, New York, US

Ms Katie Blair wrote:
http://vixensmag.com/

What makes you define this as Urban Glamour ?

Jun 23 14 01:15 pm Link

Model

Ms Katie Blair

Posts: 95

Kaiserslautern, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany

Because if you go to their facebook...9 out of 10 pictures focus on their butt...

Jun 23 14 01:17 pm Link

Model

D A N I

Posts: 4627

Little Rock, Arkansas, US

Ms Katie Blair wrote:
Because if you go to their facebook...9 out of 10 pictures focus on their butt...

That just means it's a T&A magazine, not urban.

Jun 23 14 01:18 pm Link

Model

Ms Katie Blair

Posts: 95

Kaiserslautern, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany

I tend to side with what Mark Solo said earlier...

Because, If you say it's urban because of color, is that why Coco(who is white) has been on the cover of Black Men Magazine?

Jun 23 14 01:21 pm Link

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D A N I

Posts: 4627

Little Rock, Arkansas, US

Ms Katie Blair wrote:
If you say it's urban because of color, is that why Coco(who is white) has been on the cover of Black Men Magazine?

Because black men like white women

Urban glamour's target group is mostly minority men.

EDIT: What do I know, I don't bother with urban glamour or black men magazines anyway. So ignore me

Jun 23 14 01:24 pm Link

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Ms Katie Blair

Posts: 95

Kaiserslautern, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany

Danielle Reid wrote:

Because black men like white women

Urban glamour's target group is mostly minority men.

And this statement means that don't like black women? Or only certain races...since there is issue with Asians on the cover..missed me with that rationale...

Jun 23 14 01:26 pm Link

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Brooklyn Bridge Images

Posts: 13200

Brooklyn, New York, US

Ms Katie Blair wrote:
Because if you go to their facebook...9 out of 10 pictures focus on their butt...

OK I looked and it seems to fit the genre
But again I see mostly women of color in the photos
As I do here as well
http://urbanmodelawards.com/vote/vote-f … el-awards/

Jun 23 14 01:27 pm Link

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Brooklyn Bridge Images

Posts: 13200

Brooklyn, New York, US

Ms Katie Blair wrote:
I tend to side with what Mark Solo said earlier...

Because, If you say it's urban because of color, is that why Coco(who is white) has been on the cover of Black Men Magazine?

These Magazines do not exclude Caucasians
But their focus is on Blacks/Hispanics just like their readership

Jun 23 14 01:30 pm Link

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D A N I

Posts: 4627

Little Rock, Arkansas, US

Ms Katie Blair wrote:

And this statement means that don't like black women? Or only certain races...since there is issue with Asians on the cover..missed me with that rationale...

It's whatever you want it to mean, dear.

Jun 23 14 01:30 pm Link