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Model
Bobbie Lyne
Posts: 123
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


Hi,

I am just looking for some opinions - sometimes when planning a shoot, the MUA requests that I turn up with a clean face ie. no moisturiser or other skin care, just freshly washed, bare skin.

I have noticed that when they start the make up, some artists will apply moisturiser first, while others will just apply the primer or foundation first, over the bare skin.

Other MUAs will request that I moisturise before the shoot.

Just wondering if this is one of those "everyone does it differently" situations, or if there is a particular benefit to either using, or not using, moisturiser under primer / foundation.....Thanks for the help.
Nov 10 12 04:24 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Elizabethmakeup
Posts: 338
Hereford, England, United Kingdom


Some people claim that primer is moisturising enough and that applying primer on top of moisturiser will produce oily skin. I personally ask for models to show up with clean skin that has been moisturised. If they haven't been able to, then I apply moisturiser before primer and I have never had any problems; I personally find that primer does not moisturise.

You are right in saying that it's down to personal preference.
Nov 10 12 08:21 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
ThirdEyeMakeup
Posts: 303
Los Angeles, California, US


I prefer when models/clients turn up with a clean, moisturized face. That way, their skin doesn't get overly dried on the way to the shoot. I always prep the skin using a very light makeup remover and toner to clean the face (sometimes there is sweat, pollution, un-removed makeup) and then i re-moisturize. I usually don't use a primer unless the skin needs it (longwear makeup for events, skin with large pores, very oily skin, etc). On dry, parched skin, i like to use a hydrating serum (no primer).

The makeup remover and toner i use are the Embryolisse eau Micellaire and the Embryolisse Rosamelis, respectively. Both are very gentle, non-drying. They don't add any necessary buildup. I also use the Embryolisse lait-creme concentrate as a moisturizer, but i'm not necessarily attached to that one.

As for applying foundation straight to bare skin, i prefer to put some sort of barrier to protect the skin.
Nov 10 12 09:16 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Makeup Hair by Dani B
Posts: 729
Seattle, Washington, US


I prefer a clean face to avoid moisturizers on a model's skin that are not compatible with products I intend to use.
Nov 10 12 07:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
MakeUp By CC
Posts: 303
Stockholm, Stockholm, Sweden


It's a preference for sure..
I ask for clean face...then I clean again and moisturize, then prime. I prefer to add the moisturizer myself so I know how the product goes with everything else I'm using.
Nov 10 12 07:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Bobbie Lyne
Posts: 123
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


Thanks for the responses.

I've found that there doesn't seem to be that much difference in the end results photographically speaking, however I haven't left the make up on long enough to see if there's a difference when wearing it all day, as opposed to just a couple of hours for a shoot. Might have to experiment.
Nov 10 12 07:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
hygvhgvkhy
Posts: 2,092
Chicago, Illinois, US


[total opinion]

i would ask girls to show uo without anything, and judge by their skin what i would do.

If you mosturize& prime my skin, it will definitely come out oily, i dont even use moisturizer because i really think my skin is fine doing its own thing.

For others itll be perfect.

Like i stated, personal opinion, not a MUA, but if i were id have girls show up clean skin&go by the condition of their skin.
Nov 10 12 08:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Thomas Van Dyke
Posts: 1,489
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Makeup by Dani B wrote:
I prefer a clean face to avoid moisturizers on a model's skin that are not compatible with products I intend to use.

this...  there are water based, oil based and silicon based product... if you've been in this industry long enough you will have discovered that some of these do not play well together...

That said this is a non-issue for me in as my workflow always includes cleansing, aqueous rinse, the removal of any organic residuals with toner...

When I accept an assignment I include a request that the talent be advised to arrive with a clean face...  being proactive here has worked well for our team, enough said...

biggest issue?  mascara...  it is totally inappropriate to curl lashes covered with mascara (makes them brittle and subject to breakage) it is time consuming soaking it of with eye make-up remover.  Never rush this in as the skin in the delicate eye area is at it's thinnest... gentle and allow the eye make-up remover to soak and lift the mascara off...

Nov 11 12 05:52 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Maria Vittoria B
Posts: 57
London, England, United Kingdom


One of the reasons I ask my models to come with a clean face (preferably no moisturizer on) is that the one they use might be
a. not suitable for their skin
b. containing SPF, which will pose an issue in photography
Nov 11 12 06:09 am  Link  Quote 
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KJB
Posts: 1,183
New York, New York, US


I don't request they arrive pre-prepped.
I carry makeup remover wipes (Comodynes) and no-rinse facial cleansing wipes (Yes To Cucumbers Facial Towelettes) so I can be in total control.
After I've thoroughly cleansed the skin, I can assess which are the proper products (mask, moisturizer, primer, etc.) to apply prior to makeup application. It takes an extra 2-3 minutes and is totally worth the time and effort.
Nov 11 12 10:31 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Aaliyah I
Posts: 226
Stevenage, England, United Kingdom


Makeup by Dani B wrote:
I prefer a clean face to avoid moisturizers on a model's skin that are not compatible with products I intend to use.

+ 1

True, oil based and water based products don't mix we'll and tend to slide around on the skin. I just ask that models come with a clean face - zero make up and definitely no tinted moisturers.It's fine if they have mousturised before hand with a ordinary moisturiser  because I cleanse the skin and use a moisturiser that works in synergy with my foundations anyway. Plus the majority of their moisturiser would of sunken into the skin by the time the reach the shoot so it wouldn't really be an issue. Don't worry OP long as you haven't got any make up on I'm sure you'll be alright. smile

Nov 11 12 12:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Sineann
Posts: 598
Albuquerque, New Mexico, US


Maria V Bortolussi wrote:
One of the reasons I ask my models to come with a clean face (preferably no moisturizer on) is that the one they use might be
a. not suitable for their skin
b. containing SPF, which will pose an issue in photography

Just curious, because I hadn't heard of it before - what's the issue with wearing a moisturizer with SPF?

Nov 11 12 04:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Lauren Reynolds Makeup
Posts: 282
London, England, United Kingdom


Sineann wrote:

Just curious, because I hadn't heard of it before - what's the issue with wearing a moisturizer with SPF?

SPF reflects light, so the flash bounces off it and gives people that white-faced look.

Nov 11 12 07:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Sofia Barysheva
Posts: 8
Palo Alto, California, US


Sineann wrote:

Just curious, because I hadn't heard of it before - what's the issue with wearing a moisturizer with SPF?

When it comes to skin care it is very important to choose the right one!!! I use the cleanser that All in one and makes skin so soft and amazing that no need for a toner... I agree that is better when I have more control and I put the right skin care on the model! If anybody curious I use Priori! Also using serums is a way better way because skin is super silky and not greasy... Serums are the way to go!!!

Nov 11 12 07:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Rudy van den Berg
Posts: 28
s-Gravenhage, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands


I never request anything. The models arrive how they arrive. I start off with cleansing the skin with shu uemura cleansing oil and toner after. I also like to apply a face mask if time permits it.
If the model has very dry skin I will add a little bit of moisturizer before the primer. If her skin is oily the mask and primer are enough.
Nov 12 12 07:52 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Sineann
Posts: 598
Albuquerque, New Mexico, US


Lauren Reynolds MUA wrote:

SPF reflects light, so the flash bounces off it and gives people that white-faced look.

Thanks, that's good to know!  Is that mostly an issue in studio as opposed to on location?  Indoors it's obviously no problem to pick a product without SPF, but what about if you're shooting outdoors and are worried about sun exposure?  Does anyone have a recommendation about how to protect your skin without the reflection issue? I'm super pale and very prone to sunburn.  I end up doing my own hair/makeup for a fair amount of shoots and don't want to accidentally wear something that could detract from the photos.

Nov 12 12 02:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Catnapping
Posts: 3,771
Brooklyn, New York, US


Sineann wrote:

Thanks, that's good to know!  Is that mostly an issue in studio as opposed to on location?  Indoors it's obviously no problem to pick a product without SPF, but what about if you're shooting outdoors and are worried about sun exposure?  Does anyone have a recommendation about how to protect your skin without the reflection issue? I'm super pale and very prone to sunburn.  I end up doing my own hair/makeup for a fair amount of shoots and don't want to accidentally wear something that could detract from the photos.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong;

I think SPF is an issue for flash photography. For photography with no flash, I don't think there would be an issue.

Nov 12 12 04:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Simire MUA
Posts: 91
London, England, United Kingdom


My requests are the model attends on time with a makeup free face(exception being a model running between shoots). Nothing more irritating than a model attending a shoot with full foundation, liner and mascara.

I then cleanse, tone as appropriate. I use embryolise lait creme for dry to normal skin and kiehls oil free gel cream for oily skin. Face primer is optional for me and dependent on the project.
Nov 13 12 03:56 am  Link  Quote 
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