photo212grapher wrote: ...
I would never have an assistant be the one responsible for checking a gun. I would be the one responsible. If an assistant was a qualified firearm instructor, ...
Ezhini wrote: As for as photography, she is my assistant.
When it comes to guns I should probably be her assistant and learn a lot more about guns from her.
She grew up around guns, owns a few, including shot guns, she is a good shot, has conceal and carry licence. Properly trained and experienced!
Photographic Assistant does not automatically mean the person is incompetent in all else.
First of all, I never said your assistant did not know her way around guns. What I said is I would never delegate the responsibility to an assistant, not even a qualified firearms instructor. I would have them show me the firearm was secure and safe. They may know more than you and me, but the responsibility is the photographer's in his studio/set.
In most states, just about anyone can get a Conceal Carry permit by demonstration of breathing. Being trained and having plenty of experience, even growing up in a house of a gunsmith, does not make you a qualified firearms instructor. Chances are someone like that is over qualified, but not necessarily so. Regardless, the responsibility still lies with you, not them.
Consider the kids of the infamous photographer Uncle Bob who knows everything about photography when you are taking wedding pictures. Just because Uncle Bob's kids grew up around cameras, even were taught at a young age about f-stops and shutter speeds, it does not make them an expert photographer. Few qualify for that title, and few qualify for the title firearms instructor.
Perhaps you've never seen someone trying to unscrew a Canon or Nikon bayonet mount, like an old Pentax lens. they may know their camera equipment, but not others. Same goes for a crack shot using their firearms versus the many different styles that may be present.
We are probably agreeing more than disagreeing. The firearm needs to be check and verified it is safe. Not even a Master Gunnery Sargent in the Marine Corps as the assistant places a firearm in someone hands without showing me it is safe. It is my responsibility for safety in the studio or on location.
Well thing is grown ups are usually tactful and sensible about concepts involving suicide for two pretty good reasons;
Consideration of relatives
Not everyone is 'well' and sadly people sometimes copy concepts in low moments.
Wow... another one...
As the tertiary party, what relevance or credence should I give to the "feelings" of a second party? If the model wants to be photographed in such fashion, I should refuse for the sake of extended family? Why would I even be privy to any knowledge about a suicide in the model's family?
True... not everyone is "well", but that hardly makes you, me or anyone else responsible for the actions of the "unwell". If someone is set on attempting suicide, I highly doubt that a random photograph is going to be THE element that sets them over the edge.
I agree with what you're saying William, but I think you could word it in a way that makes it easier for others to agree with you, if you get my drift.
You shouldn't have to change your work, or what you show, or your message for the general public, unless there is a specific audience, and you know who that audience is. For instance, you absolutely should not be showing mock suicide at a school, or a hospital, or a senior centre, or a library, or even at a Starbucks. These are all 'family friendly' places, and mock suicide is not family friendly. To say that you can't show it at a gallery, because someone may wander in ... well, that's ridiculous, even if the gallery is next to a mental institution.
As for a photo 'pushing someone over the edge,' ... well, it does happen. It has been proven that art, music, video games, etc. have all "caused" someone to commit a violent act. It has also been proven in most of the same cases that those people were mentally imbalanced, and their psyche was subconsciously looking for any possible trigger anyway. If it's not what it was, it would have been something different. The result would have been the same, even if the blame shifted.
Besides ... kids in school are encouraged to read Poe and Plath. You really think you can make a photo that is more likely to make someone want to kill themselves than, "The Bell Jar?"
S W I N S K E Y wrote: just say no to the chick posing with gun pics..
i always envision this is the type of guy that shoots that kind of stuff:
" oh hey, could you pose with one of my guns?"
all depends on how it is done...I mean you could just say no to chicks posing with , smoking, drinking, in bikinis, dank motel, train tracks, lens flare, haze, snakes, apples, swords, abandoned buildings, by a river, on cliff, in the woods, bedrooms, laundromat in the kitchen, with bunny ears, animal mask, all polaroids, holding a camera, etc....there are so many cliches they are almost impossible to avoid. There are just good cliche shots and shit cliche shots