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Amul La La
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Plymouth, England, United Kingdom


I did a search to see if there was any other thread on this, couldn't seem to see anything, sorry if there is.

I just wanted to ask about views on upgrading from a canon 300D to Canon 550D.

I'm under no illusions, I understand a better camera won't make you a better photographer, lots and lots of practice and lots more practice is what will.

I just feel I've had my 300D for a year and a half, and frankly I'm a little bored of it, and kinda feel like I've outgrown it, like I need a new challenge > something with a little more punch, something that I can use along side my creativity to help convey it with a little more quality.

I like my 300D, it has served me well, but it seems quite slow these days, it's clunky, I feel I know the settings so well now, and just want more.

probably be going after a second hand canon 550D (seems like a very good candidate), what do you think?, hoping to get one for less than £300 pounds.
Feb 05 13 09:08 am  Link  Quote 
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You-In-The-Lens
Posts: 133
Grays, England, United Kingdom


I have had the canon 550D for a year now and very happy with it,i have a 50mm 1.8 prime lens on it and most of the photos shot on my portfolio were with the 550D
Feb 05 13 09:14 am  Link  Quote 
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B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


If you really want an upgrade you'd probably be better off with one of the "semi pro" crop bodies like a 7D or used 50D.

The little thumbwheel on the back and the joystick control that you can use to switch  focus points with your thumb while shooting are a great improvement over the control layout of the XXXD bodies.




Just my $0.02

Ciao
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Feb 05 13 09:25 am  Link  Quote 
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Amul La La
Posts: 818
Plymouth, England, United Kingdom


How much did you snap up your 550D for a year ago?.


Oh yes I have the 50mm 1.8 awesome lens, I've heard people say it's a little tacky and flimsy, and it's better to go for the 1.4 but that cost a bomb (I'm losing no sleep over not being able to pay a bomb for something I can barely afford) - I love my 50mm lens.

the 550D seems like a great camera, pixels for a start 6.3 vs 17.9 or 18.0 is it that's a massive jump in picture elements, 100 - 6400 expandable to 12800, apparently the image quality is better, I'll be able to shoot more frames.


thank you street shooter.
Feb 05 13 09:28 am  Link  Quote 
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Amul La La
Posts: 818
Plymouth, England, United Kingdom


-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
If you really want an upgrade you'd probably be better off with one of the "semi pro" crop bodies like a 7D or used 50D.

The little thumbwheel on the back and the joystick control that you can use to switch  focus points with your thumb while shooting are a great improvement over the control layout of the XXXD bodies.




Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

The canon 5D seems absolutely MEGA, if I could afford it I'd buy that, okay I'll have a look at the canon 50D, thank you Stefano.

Feb 05 13 09:30 am  Link  Quote 
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Amul La La
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Plymouth, England, United Kingdom


Do you mind me asking what you use Stefano?.
Feb 05 13 09:34 am  Link  Quote 
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Viator Defessus Photos
Posts: 1,092
College Station, Texas, US


A  M  U   L  wrote:
I just wanted to ask about views on upgrading from a canon 300D to Canon 550D.

I'm under no illusions, I understand a better camera won't make you a better photographer, lots and lots of practice and lots more practice is what will.

I use a 600D, which I think uses the same sensor and processor as the 550D (or something very close to). They're both very nice cameras.

Something you might want to include in your budget: I think the older rebels (The XTi/400D and older) use Compact Flash Cards. The XSi/450D and newer models use SD cards.

Feb 05 13 09:46 am  Link  Quote 
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PIEntertainment
Posts: 1,289
Tokyo, Tokyo, Japan


I think if you have the cash you should go for the 60D, I upgraded last year from the 450D to this and it's much much better. You can shoot at higher ISO's more often, the moving screen actually is very useful as well and so is having the LCD screen on top to change setting faster.
Feb 05 13 09:54 am  Link  Quote 
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You-In-The-Lens
Posts: 133
Grays, England, United Kingdom


I paid about £495.95 and i think i got 35 pounds cash back  an i think the 650D is out now so it would have gone down in price.

Just do a google search and see what is around.

Yer great lens the 1.8
Feb 05 13 10:02 am  Link  Quote 
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-JAY-
Posts: 6,623
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


The 550 is a great camera. Most of my port is with one.

Same image quality as the 600/650/60/7D (same sensor and processor for the most part) mine focuses great.

Got mine for $340 (£215)
Feb 05 13 10:11 am  Link  Quote 
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ultimate dream
Posts: 848
London, England, United Kingdom


Why don't you just go for the 650D, its a brilliant camera.
Feb 05 13 10:27 am  Link  Quote 
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Darker Muse Images
Posts: 10
Pawcatuck, Connecticut, US


A  M  U   L  wrote:
Oh yes I have the 50mm 1.8 awesome lens, I've heard people say it's a little tacky and flimsy, and it's better to go for the 1.4 but that cost a bomb (I'm losing no sleep over not being able to pay a bomb for something I can barely afford) - I love my 50mm lens.

I too have been using the 550D for the last year and bought the 50mm 1.8 about 4 months ago, love both the camera and the lense.

I have been working with the 50mm in some close up portrait/detail stuff and just now started exploring it's use in a wider spectrum of things, landscapes primarily.

I also went with the lower cost 50mm lense as I didn't have the cash for the $300+ one and I have been really happy.

Feb 05 13 10:41 am  Link  Quote 
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Phil Drinkwater
Posts: 4,784
Manchester, England, United Kingdom


If you're bored, invest in a new lens as it will get you much more back in terms of creative photography than a new body will, unless you need the new body..
Feb 05 13 10:44 am  Link  Quote 
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fotopfw
Posts: 792
Kerkrade, Limburg, Netherlands


Phil Drinkwater wrote:
If you're bored, invest in a new lens as it will get you much more back in terms of creative photography than a new body will, unless you need the new body..

+1
Look for another prime, lasts longer than a body too.

Feb 05 13 11:05 am  Link  Quote 
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Amul La La
Posts: 818
Plymouth, England, United Kingdom


Everyone is similar or varying in opinion, some even said get better glass,
well I'm not shooting action (sports/lots of fashion movement>jumping etc) so I know I don't need the camera to be crazy responsive, and I'm a hobbyist/ aspiring photographer.

I'll take what everyone has said into account, n then I guess make the plunge. Great stuff guys thank you.

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Feb 05 13 11:48 am  Link  Quote 
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Amul La La
Posts: 818
Plymouth, England, United Kingdom


Phil Drinkwater wrote:
If you're bored, invest in a new lens as it will get you much more back in terms of creative photography than a new body will, unless you need the new body..

What could/would you suggest looking at, in terms of glass to get, I have the 50mm 1.8 so far, everything in my portfolio has been shot with that lens.

Feb 05 13 11:50 am  Link  Quote 
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Amul La La
Posts: 818
Plymouth, England, United Kingdom


-JAY- wrote:
The 550 is a great camera. Most of my port is with one.

Same image quality as the 600/650/60/7D (same sensor and processor for the most part) mine focuses great.

Got mine for $340 (£215)

thank you J, great shots btw smile

Feb 05 13 11:57 am  Link  Quote 
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Velvet Paper Photo
Posts: 468
Lexington, Kentucky, US


I have the T2i & upgraded from the XSi.  Much, much better.  Most people say that that a better camera won't make you a better photographer, but I say that's bullcrap.  If you have a crappy camera, there's only so much you can do with it.  If you feel your camera is limiting what you can do & think you can do better, then go ahead & buy it!
That's why I got mine.
Now, you shouldn't upgrade just because you think it will make you better, because it won't.  I knew I was better than my camera was letting me be, though.
Feb 05 13 12:04 pm  Link  Quote 
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ultimate dream
Posts: 848
London, England, United Kingdom


Phil Drinkwater wrote:
If you're bored, invest in a new lens as it will get you much more back in terms of creative photography than a new body will, unless you need the new body..

Even though you are right about investing in a new lens, i personally would definitely update my camera first (if its the 300D) before going for a new lens. The 50mm 1.8 is a fantastic lens.

The 300D was my first ever camera (in 2004) before updating to a 20D a year and half later (now i use a 5DII), and i definitely noticed a huge deference in image quality even though all i had was the 50mm lens at the time.

Even though some photographers may not agree with me, i personally think, the 300D doesn't hack it anymore in this day and age. Once you lay your hands on the 550D or 60D, you'll never want to touch the 300D anymore.

Feb 05 13 01:18 pm  Link  Quote 
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Raoul Isidro Images
Posts: 6,237
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


Upgrade bigtime

Buy a new camera.

(a new 550D, if you can find one...)

Buying a run down used item is not a satisfying "upgrade".

.
Feb 05 13 01:20 pm  Link  Quote 
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Viator Defessus Photos
Posts: 1,092
College Station, Texas, US


Raoul Isidro Images wrote:
Upgrade bigtime

Buy a new camera.

(a new 550D, if you can find one...)

Buying a run down used item is not a satisfying "upgrade".

.

I agree to a point, my 600D was bought new, my 450D was bought used as a 2nd body/back-up. However, there are some really nice, gently used cameras out there that were bought by some soccer mom or some guy about to take an expensive vaction that then put the camera down and never used it. Used doesn't mean run-down, you just have to be careful about what you buy.

Feb 05 13 02:43 pm  Link  Quote 
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HO Photo
Posts: 515
Los Angeles, California, US


If you can't articulate with any specificity what the new camera will let you do that the old camera is keeping you from doing -- then I submit you don't need it.
Feb 05 13 02:59 pm  Link  Quote 
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Phil Drinkwater
Posts: 4,784
Manchester, England, United Kingdom


ultimate dream wrote:

Even though you are right about investing in a new lens, i personally would definitely update my camera first (if its the 300D) before going for a new lens. The 50mm 1.8 is a fantastic lens.

The 300D was my first ever camera (in 2004) before updating to a 20D a year and half later (now i use a 5DII), and i definitely noticed a huge deference in image quality even though all i had was the 50mm lens at the time.

Even though some photographers may not agree with me, i personally think, the 300D doesn't hack it anymore in this day and age. Once you lay your hands on the 550D or 60D, you'll never want to touch the 300D anymore.

Well I don't know about the camera but the 50mm 1.8, while good for the money, definitely isn't "fantastic". I have the 50 1.2 and IMO that really is fantastic. The other problem with a 50 is that's all it'll do. It won't go wider or longer.

Op there's a world of lenses out there, and even lens attachments like the lens baby which can create interesting effects. However lenses (like cameras) should be bought to solve a problem or get a specific effect, so work out what you want to do first. Then find the kit to produce it smile

Feb 05 13 03:11 pm  Link  Quote 
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London Fog
Posts: 6,770
London, England, United Kingdom


The 7D is available as a brand spanker for around 750-800, at that price level there is nothing to touch it! Come to think many cameras at twice that price level would have trouble with it!

Yes, I like (love actually) my 7D lots!
Feb 05 13 03:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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Michael Broughton
Posts: 2,237
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada


Raoul Isidro Images wrote:
Upgrade bigtime

Buy a new camera.

(a new 550D, if you can find one...)

Buying a run down used item is not a satisfying "upgrade".

.

i couldn't disagree more. i care about results, not how shiny and new my equipment looks when i get it. never knowing what sort of obscure vintage gear i'm going to stumble upon at a thrift store or paying a tenth of what something would cost new is far more satisfying than paying retail and dealing with a pushy salesperson.

Feb 05 13 03:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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Kevin Connery
Posts: 16,875
El Segundo, California, US


A  M  U   L  wrote:
I did a search to see if there was any other thread on this, couldn't seem to see anything, sorry if there is.

I just wanted to ask about views on upgrading from a canon 300D to Canon 550D.

I'm under no illusions, I understand a better camera won't make you a better photographer, lots and lots of practice and lots more practice is what will.

I just feel I've had my 300D for a year and a half, and frankly I'm a little bored of it, and kinda feel like I've outgrown it, like I need a new challenge > something with a little more punch, something that I can use along side my creativity to help convey it with a little more quality.

I like my 300D, it has served me well, but it seems quite slow these days, it's clunky, I feel I know the settings so well now, and just want more.

probably be going after a second hand canon 550D (seems like a very good candidate), what do you think?, hoping to get one for less than £300 pounds.

In what way is your current equipment limiting you?

Until you can identify that, any upgrade is as likely to not help as help.

If the limiting factor is that you're bored with the gear you have, examine how you're using it, as it has a higher image quality than a camera I used for 3 years and sold many large (20 by 30 or 30 by 40) images captured by it. Yes, it's.imiting, but HOW is it limiting you? Low-light? Frames/second? Angle of view? Image quality? Focusing limits? (That was why I switched from a D60 to a 1D Mark II). Something else?

FWIW, a new camera with the same technique will not give you more punch. A new lens might, but probably won't either.

Feb 05 13 06:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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Velvet Paper Photo
Posts: 468
Lexington, Kentucky, US


London Fog wrote:
The 7D is available as a brand spanker for around 750-800, at that price level there is nothing to touch it! Come to think many cameras at twice that price level would have trouble with it!

Yes, I like (love actually) my 7D lots!

Um... Where?! I'd really like to know. I've not seen it below $1200 body only.

Feb 05 13 08:54 pm  Link  Quote 
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Mike Kelcher
Posts: 12,789
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


In a general sense, I think that 99% of the images one is likely to create could be created with either body and the results would not be significantly different. The body simply is a box that holds a lens, houses a light metering system, controls the shutter and aperture and has a sensor to capture the images and a card to hold the recorded images.

Unless something doesn't work on your current camera, or there's a "must have" feature on a new one, there's little reason to spend money on a new body...especially a move like this one.
Feb 05 13 09:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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Mike Kelcher
Posts: 12,789
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


Velvet Paper Photo wrote:

Um... Where?! I'd really like to know. I've not seen it below $1200 body only.

I believe you are confusing US dollars with British pounds (or possibly Euros). London Fog is in the UK.

Feb 05 13 09:14 pm  Link  Quote 
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Velvet Paper Photo
Posts: 468
Lexington, Kentucky, US


Mike Kelcher wrote:

I believe you are confusing US dollars with British pounds (or possibly Euros). London Fog is in the UK.

Dang it. I didn't even notice that. Lol Thanks.

Feb 05 13 09:28 pm  Link  Quote 
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Tom Nardi
Posts: 9
Hermosa Beach, California, US


Kevin Connery wrote:
In what way is your current equipment limiting you?

Until you can identify that, any upgrade is as likely to not help as help.

+1  You mentioned the 50 1.8.  Do you have anything wider?  That lens can be a little long on your camera.  But it all really depends on what you want to shoot.  You might also want to consider getting a flash. 

Personally when I switched to a digital SLR my widest lens leftover from my film days was 28mm.  On a cropped sensor I found it to be too long for a walk around lens.  Therefore a wide angle was my next upgrade.

Tom

Feb 05 13 10:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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SoCo n Lime
Posts: 3,283
Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom


s u r e
Feb 06 13 05:31 am  Link  Quote 
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B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


SoCo n Lime wrote:

it sounds like you've hit (experiencing) the aps learning curve roof

{nonsense deleted}

Congratulations! Full frame snobbery and purchase-justification at its best! big_smile

OP, your current body while admittedly a little long in the tooth will certainly still provide good results if you use it right, especially if your output is likely to be web-only.

As others have mentioned, an investment in glass could provide you with more creative options that will help expand your photography skills a lot more than buying a new body, which will effectively allow you only to take the same photos but with better 'quality' at the pixel level.

If you're really desperate for a body upgrade, then consider the xxD series or the 7D as these will give you better sensor quality, better focusing and and better ergonomics (easier access to change aperture/focal points etc. while you're shooting).

For model photography I'd be surprised if anybody really needs a FF sensor unless maybe they're shooting high-end (and I mean really high end) beauty or catalogue work, or making massive art prints for gallery displays.

As for the nonsense about 'red casts' from APS-C sensors.... well.... big_smile big_smile



Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Feb 06 13 05:49 am  Link  Quote 
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Hugh Alison
Posts: 2,117
Aberystwyth, Wales, United Kingdom


30D, 40D, or 5D mark 1.

All great cameras for not a lot of money.
Feb 06 13 07:00 am  Link  Quote 
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SoCo n Lime
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Feb 06 13 09:19 am  Link  Quote 
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B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


SoCo n Lime wrote:
im sure you being a 50d crop user have jumped in being defensive on all things APS

If I felt I needed a FF body I'd buy one tomorrow. The 5d3 is a bit of bargain even at UK prices.

SoCo n Lime wrote:
having been schooled

Oh yes, I forgot you went to some college somewhere and got a bit of paper that says you're a photographer, so clearly you know better than everybody else.

SoCo n Lime wrote:
unfortunately not all self taught people have their equipment related and work flow problems / issues pointed out to them. (they cant see it / still need their eyes trained to it) so until someone points these common issues out to you personally, please by all means carry on regardless

By all means, if you can see any technical "issues" with my photos at web-resolution that could be fixed by using a FF sensor then feel free to point them out.

SoCo n Lime wrote:
THE OP mentioned he needed a bit more punch to his work (and does not mention web only).

You don't get more "punch" by changing cameras; you get it by improving your photography.

Sure, as I agreed, his 300D is getting a little long in the tooth, but suggesting that he needs to buy a FF camera because he's 'outgrown' crop sensors after a whole one and a half years of shooting is palpable nonsense.




Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Feb 06 13 09:59 am  Link  Quote 
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-JAY-
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Las Vegas, Nevada, US


I agree that the 300D with a 50mm 1.8 and good technique is still capable of good images. I  have one i still shoot with for fun. I picked up a 5DI a while back - ditched it (though its a great camera) for a T2i. Was considering a 7D/60D but with near identical image quality, i went with the cheaper one so I could spend more on lenses and lighting.

300D -  50mm 1.4 - generic speedlite:

http://jayleavitt.com/links/misha_1.jpg
Feb 06 13 10:53 am  Link  Quote 
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A-M-P
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Orlando, Florida, US


-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
Sure, as I agreed, his 300D is getting a little long in the tooth, but suggesting that he needs to buy a FF camera because he's 'outgrown' crop sensors after a whole one and a half years of shooting is palpable nonsense.




Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

+1

Feb 06 13 11:10 am  Link  Quote 
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London Fog
Posts: 6,770
London, England, United Kingdom


SoCo n Lime wrote:
seriously pal im not sure wether to read this as sarcastic BS or not

for the record im not impressed. im sure you being a 50d crop user have jumped in being defensive on all things APS

snobbery..? my experience is having been schooled and plenty of real world experience on both crop canon's and full frame's. I found the limits to each piece of equipment before taking the next step up, over a number of years because my budget dictated that i squeesed the most out of what i had for as long as i had it. if you call that snobbery you really are in cloud BRUNESCI

unfortunately not all self taught people have their equipment related and work flow problems / issues pointed out to them. (they cant see it / still need their eyes trained to it) so until someone points these common issues out to you personally, please by all means carry on regardless

THE OP mentioned he needed a bit more punch to his work (and does not mention web only). my reply was my experience directed to the OP having assumed he has hit the same point around the same time that i did when finally realizing the limits to the canon equipment (body) in hand (if you missed it he has been shooting a year and a half)

the comments where not directed at you nor did i invite you to bring personal "nonsense deleted" pish to my post. by all means give your own experience and opinion to the OP but please keep to your side of the table

The only limitation that exists is in the mind of the photographer! No amount of equipment can ever change that!

On that note, there is nothing wrong with a crop at all, the 7D as an example is man enough for any job, in fact it's man enough to wipe the floor with many FF's, and my other camera is a D800!

Feb 06 13 11:13 am  Link  Quote 
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