Photographer
Barry Kidd Photography
Posts: 3351
Red Lion, Pennsylvania, US
Mcary wrote:
Personally I'd rather be labeled a GWC then a GWCT 
Guy With Out Cash or Talent GWCT Someone that's been shooting for years and years but still can't figure out the reason no models want to work trade with them is not because GWCs are paying them but rather because their work is crap.
So they end up stuck in kind of a limbo between the photographers that can get models to work trade with them, or even hire them, and the photographers that are willing to pay models models to work with them.
Of course limbo can be a rather lonely place which might explain some peoples bitterness I feel as though I'm in a kind of limbo myself right now. My photos are sort of stagnant and I need to do something new and ---- well something new.
It happens to me from time to time, (Every few years or so) and I always break out of it but it damn sure sux when I'm in that state.
Photographer
Mcary
Posts: 1803
Fredericksburg, Virginia, US
Barry Kidd Photography wrote:
I feel as though I'm in a kind of limbo myself right now. My photos are sort of stagnant and I need to do something new and ---- well something new.
It happens to me from time to time, (Every few years or so) and I always break out of it but it damn sure sux when I'm in that state. Thing is a GWNT would never say or even think something like this "My photos are sort of stagnant and I need to do something new and ---- well something new. "
With a GWNT the problem is always with someone else/the world but never ever ever with them
Photographer
AndysPrints
Posts: 533
Falls Church, Virginia, US
Caitin wrote:
IWNAWISN= I will never admit why I shoot nudes. I love this.
Everyone needs a hobby and shooting nudes sure beats coin collecting ...lol.
Photographer
Fotografica Gregor
Posts: 4126
Alexandria, Virginia, US
Michael Pandolfo wrote:
Girl With Body sounds a little redundant. But if you're looking for an acronym for the type of model who is only interested in getting paid with no modeling intent, and no interest in image quality, then maybe GWF is a better one.
Girl With Facebook.
Because that's usually the only place the photos from their shoots ever emerge. That may be so - however I have found Facebook to be a much better place to make connections with models - the climate is much more positive than here, there is less of an adversarial environment.....
My facebook presence, in addition to bringing in commercial work (which of course would never happen here) has facilitated working relationships with models - many of whom were on MM but I had never seen them or vice versa - that were positive from the outset....
Additionally, many of the models who only seemed to be interested in money *here* but who found me *there* had a substantially different attitude in that climate....
Anymore I post much more work - and of course am able to blog about my work and offer value added features - on facebook, than here....
Photographer
TMK Images Photography
Posts: 681
Dallas, Texas, US
There are many articles about Photographers and Models on MM. And in Dallas, there are way too many girls who believe they are Models because they can stand in front of a camera, shoot lingerie, topless or fully nude and EXPECT to be paid. It has actually destroyed the Photography market in the Dallas area for those Photographers who have spent thousands of dollars on equipment, lighting and photography classes, photoshop time, set-up time, build their own professional studios with 6 lights, filters, various backdrops/backgrounds and the like. Sorry, I love the models; but something has to give...and I have. I no longer will shoot any girl just to see her boobs or naked body. It has to be for a reason, a project, a publication, or an artistic style where we BOTH profit from the sale of the images; whether on Print or Canvas. Models (if you call yourself that)...please ask yourself what have you done to name yourself a model and demand payment from a photographer? Can you go to your local corner Photography Shoppe and walk in, tell them you want a 2 hour shoot, want all the images, want at least 6 photoshopped, and ask THEM to pay you. Crazy, isn't the word...as a matter of fact, I am not allowed, nor do I want to say the words on MM what I feel like saying. I have shot great models, have been published, shot bodybuilding/fitness/figure/bikini competitions; have been published in a magazine, won a calendar award in Vegas, and have been published in an On-Line Bodybuilding/Fitness Website...and have shot for them. So, I don't know what else to say...but Models, be sure why you call yourself a model...don't just say you are because you can bend your body a certain way, know how to put make-up on, and take your clothes off. We photographers are into the lighting aspects, the creativity of the session, and have spend thousands on equipment and learning. Our process after the shoot just begins, with downloading the images, Post Processing some of them, and more. You, the Model, simply get dressed, say "Thank You" and ask "When will I get all my images and how many will you PhotoShop for me". Then you stand by until we pay you. WOW......this is the Modeling/Photography business in Dallas? Then there are those GWC's who can undercharge photographers for workshops in order to get volume photographers, don't teach them a thing about set up and lighting....and just collect their money, provide cheese, soda, and sandwiches for a 6 hour workshop and walk away with $600 profit. Not bad for not knowing what you're doing. I want to find a job like that. So if you have one for me, please write to me and I'll jump all over it. $600 per workshop....let's see, I'll do 5 per week. Thank you for reading this. Disclaimer: I in no means intend or intended to diss or disparage any Model or Photographer....I was just writing the words of reality in the Dallas area since I moved here from Florida 5 years ago. Still love ya all, and love nude work; but Models, you truly have to be the one who Pays if you want the images, and post processing work done as well. Have a wonderful day and a fabulous career.
Photographer
Bureau Form Guild
Posts: 1244
Scranton, Pennsylvania, US
I categorize myself as GWCACOFS. Guy with camera and a couple of f-ing strobes.
Photographer
Tim Vechik
Posts: 45
Oceanside, California, US
I'm definitely a GWC going by the actual words that make the acronym, but is that so bad? I'm definitely a guy (two children and a happy marriage can attest to that), and I definitely have a camera.
Photographer
Yosh Studio
Posts: 1664
Los Angeles, California, US
TMK Images Photography wrote:
There are many articles about Photographers and Models on MM. And in Dallas, there are way too many girls who believe they are Models because they can stand in front of a camera, shoot lingerie, topless or fully nude and EXPECT to be paid. It has actually destroyed the Photography market in the Dallas area for those Photographers who have spent thousands of dollars on equipment, lighting and photography classes, photoshop time, set-up time, build their own professional studios with 6 lights, filters, various backdrops/backgrounds and the like. what part of Dallas are you shooting in?
I really don't see how lingerie/nude models are killing the photography business.
Photographer
Mark Salo
Posts: 11726
Olney, Maryland, US
TMK Images Photography wrote:
...Photographers who have spent thousands of dollars on equipment, lighting and photography classes, photoshop time, set-up time, build their own professional studios with 6 lights, filters, various backdrops/backgrounds and the like... Don't forget models who have spent thousands of dollars on cosmetic surgery, also many lesser items.
Model
Jen B
Posts: 4474
Phoenix, Arizona, US
CSDewitt Photo wrote:
I like this!!! Girl Wants Pretty Photos, for her Friends.... (GWPP) is also a good acronym. Hi,
While I like creating and trying to make intersting photos and plan to be my own "business" as a model I also really like, "pretty photos for myself, friends and family too."
Is that wrong? When I photograph others I also like "pretty photos...."
Jen
p.s. then again, maybe I'm not fully into the true intent that the "GWPP" stands for;)!!
Model
Jen B
Posts: 4474
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Dumas Photography wrote:
Why do you hide your port? There is drama in the credit portion of the profile I see...
Perhaps not all GWC's really rock.
Photographer
kitty_empire
Posts: 864
Brighton, England, United Kingdom
I'm a PGWFC?
(Pretentious guy with film camera?)
Photographer
Mcary
Posts: 1803
Fredericksburg, Virginia, US
GGP God's Gift to Photography
LYOM Legend in Your Own Mind.
Photographer
Rik Williams
Posts: 4005
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Robert Winn Photography wrote:
I prefer GWA
Girl With Aspirations lol or the all time classic GMC, give me cash.
Photographer
Account Dead dead dead
Posts: 243
London, England, United Kingdom
JOEL McDONALD wrote:
GWD = Girl With Delusions
 This.
Model
Caitin Bre
Posts: 2687
Apache Junction, Arizona, US
MyrnaByrna wrote:
There is drama in the credit portion of the profile I see...
Perhaps not all GWC's really rock. The person in the credits actually claims to be a pro.
Photographer
RKD Photographic
Posts: 3265
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany
intense_puppy wrote:
I'm a PGWFC?
(Pretentious guy with film camera?) My favourites are GWAPPs - Girl With A Phone-Photo
Not to be confused with GWCGWCPs - Girls With Crappy GWC Pix...
Model
Jen B
Posts: 4474
Phoenix, Arizona, US
edit-delete:
Its cleared up...
Photographer
Bravo Magic Images
Posts: 765
Temple City, California, US
You must be a PWI photographer with Ideas DWC Dude with camera
Photographer
Nico Simon Princely
Posts: 1972
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
If talking about the many out of shape nude "models" without any modeling skills. I think GWC - "girl without clothes" is appropriate.
Model
Caitin Bre
Posts: 2687
Apache Junction, Arizona, US
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its supposed to snow the next 3 days! I am going crazy with Cabin Fever!
Photographer
NC Art Photos
Posts: 592
Raleigh, North Carolina, US
JOEL McDONALD wrote:
So, a model friend and I were talking today and this came up half in jest....
...If a guy with a cursory ability with a camera who just likes shooting (naked) women is called a GWC (Guy With Camera),
then shouldn't a "model" with a cursory ability in modeling that has a good body (Experience: No Experience/Compensation: Paid Assignments Only) that poses for said GWC, ostensibly for cash, be referred to as a GWB (Girl With Body)?
Just a thought. GWA - Girl With Attitude?
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 12067
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US
TMK Images Photography wrote:
There are many articles about Photographers and Models on MM. And in Dallas, there are way too many girls who believe they are Models because they can stand in front of a camera, shoot lingerie, topless or fully nude and EXPECT to be paid. It has actually destroyed the Photography market in the Dallas area for those Photographers who have spent thousands of dollars on equipment, lighting and photography classes, photoshop time, set-up time, build their own professional studios with 6 lights, filters, various backdrops/backgrounds and the like.
Sorry, I love the models; but something has to give...and I have. I no longer will shoot any girl just to see her boobs or naked body. It has to be for a reason, a project, a publication, or an artistic style where we BOTH profit from the sale of the images; whether on Print or Canvas.
Models (if you call yourself that)...please ask yourself what have you done to name yourself a model and demand payment from a photographer? Can you go to your local corner Photography Shoppe and walk in, tell them you want a 2 hour shoot, want all the images, want at least 6 photoshopped, and ask THEM to pay you. Crazy, isn't the word...as a matter of fact, I am not allowed, nor do I want to say the words on MM what I feel like saying.
I have shot great models, have been published, shot bodybuilding/fitness/figure/bikini competitions; have been published in a magazine, won a calendar award in Vegas, and have been published in an On-Line Bodybuilding/Fitness Website...and have shot for them.
So, I don't know what else to say...but Models, be sure why you call yourself a model...don't just say you are because you can bend your body a certain way, know how to put make-up on, and take your clothes off. We photographers are into the lighting aspects, the creativity of the session, and have spend thousands on equipment and learning. Our process after the shoot just begins, with downloading the images, Post Processing some of them, and more. You, the Model, simply get dressed, say "Thank You" and ask "When will I get all my images and how many will you PhotoShop for me". Then you stand by until we pay you.
WOW......this is the Modeling/Photography business in Dallas? Then there are those GWC's who can undercharge photographers for workshops in order to get volume photographers, don't teach them a thing about set up and lighting....and just collect their money, provide cheese, soda, and sandwiches for a 6 hour workshop and walk away with $600 profit. Not bad for not knowing what you're doing. I want to find a job like that. So if you have one for me, please write to me and I'll jump all over it. $600 per workshop....let's see, I'll do 5 per week.
Thank you for reading this.
Disclaimer: I in no means intend or intended to diss or disparage any Model or Photographer....I was just writing the words of reality in the Dallas area since I moved here from Florida 5 years ago.
Still love ya all, and love nude work; but Models, you truly have to be the one who Pays if you want the images, and post processing work done as well.
Have a wonderful day and a fabulous career. Awesome. I've felt that way since before my first nude shoot, but it's great that you've made the same choice.
Photographer
Christopher Carter
Posts: 7777
Indianapolis, Indiana, US
TMK Images Photography wrote:
I no longer will shoot any girl just to see her boobs or naked body. That's very noble of you.
So the boobs are just a bonus now? Like tipping your server?
Photographer
AndyD10
Posts: 352
Dublin, Dublin, Ireland
I thought GWB was going to be 'Girl With Boyfriend' and this would be yet another 'llama herder' thread
Model
Nicole Nu
Posts: 3981
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
TMK Images Photography wrote:
There are many articles about Photographers and Models on MM. And in Dallas, there are way too many girls who believe they are Models because they can stand in front of a camera, shoot lingerie, topless or fully nude and EXPECT to be paid. It has actually destroyed the Photography market in the Dallas area for those Photographers who have spent thousands of dollars on equipment, lighting and photography classes, photoshop time, set-up time, build their own professional studios with 6 lights, filters, various backdrops/backgrounds and the like.
Sorry, I love the models; but something has to give...and I have. I no longer will shoot any girl just to see her boobs or naked body. It has to be for a reason, a project, a publication, or an artistic style where we BOTH profit from the sale of the images; whether on Print or Canvas.
Models (if you call yourself that)...please ask yourself what have you done to name yourself a model and demand payment from a photographer? Can you go to your local corner Photography Shoppe and walk in, tell them you want a 2 hour shoot, want all the images, want at least 6 photoshopped, and ask THEM to pay you. Crazy, isn't the word...as a matter of fact, I am not allowed, nor do I want to say the words on MM what I feel like saying.
I have shot great models, have been published, shot bodybuilding/fitness/figure/bikini competitions; have been published in a magazine, won a calendar award in Vegas, and have been published in an On-Line Bodybuilding/Fitness Website...and have shot for them.
So, I don't know what else to say...but Models, be sure why you call yourself a model...don't just say you are because you can bend your body a certain way, know how to put make-up on, and take your clothes off. We photographers are into the lighting aspects, the creativity of the session, and have spend thousands on equipment and learning. Our process after the shoot just begins, with downloading the images, Post Processing some of them, and more. You, the Model, simply get dressed, say "Thank You" and ask "When will I get all my images and how many will you PhotoShop for me". Then you stand by until we pay you.
WOW......this is the Modeling/Photography business in Dallas? Then there are those GWC's who can undercharge photographers for workshops in order to get volume photographers, don't teach them a thing about set up and lighting....and just collect their money, provide cheese, soda, and sandwiches for a 6 hour workshop and walk away with $600 profit. Not bad for not knowing what you're doing. I want to find a job like that. So if you have one for me, please write to me and I'll jump all over it. $600 per workshop....let's see, I'll do 5 per week.
Thank you for reading this.
Disclaimer: I in no means intend or intended to diss or disparage any Model or Photographer....I was just writing the words of reality in the Dallas area since I moved here from Florida 5 years ago.
Still love ya all, and love nude work; but Models, you truly have to be the one who Pays if you want the images, and post processing work done as well.
Have a wonderful day and a fabulous career. Yeah, because I, as a model, totally just show up and stand there and don't do anything to warrant getting paid.
*rolls eyes*
You seriously need to deflate your ego just a tad.
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 12067
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US
TMK Images Photography wrote:
There are many articles about Photographers and Models on MM. And in Dallas, there are way too many girls who believe they are Models because they can stand in front of a camera, shoot lingerie, topless or fully nude and EXPECT to be paid. It has actually destroyed the Photography market in the Dallas area for those Photographers who have spent thousands of dollars on equipment, lighting and photography classes, photoshop time, set-up time, build their own professional studios with 6 lights, filters, various backdrops/backgrounds and the like.
Sorry, I love the models; but something has to give...and I have. I no longer will shoot any girl just to see her boobs or naked body. It has to be for a reason, a project, a publication, or an artistic style where we BOTH profit from the sale of the images; whether on Print or Canvas.
snip NicoleNudes wrote:
Yeah, because I, as a model, totally just show up and stand there and don't do anything to warrant getting paid.
*rolls eyes*
You seriously need to deflate your ego just a tad. Well, since he NO LONGER does shoots just to see boobs and naked bodies, models are going to actually have to pose and stuff.
Photographer
glamourglenn
Posts: 865
Lancaster, Pennsylvania, US
TMK Images Photography wrote:
. I no longer will shoot any girl just to see her boobs or naked body. Ladies, I will shoot you. Come on over.
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 33877
Arcata, California, US
TMK Images Photography wrote:
And in Dallas, there are way too many girls who believe they are Models because they can stand in front of a camera, shoot lingerie, topless or fully nude and EXPECT to be paid. It has actually destroyed the Photography market in the Dallas area for those Photographers who have spent thousands of dollars on equipment, lighting and photography classes, photoshop time, set-up time, build their own professional studios with 6 lights, filters, various backdrops/backgrounds and the like. 1) How has the photography market been killed by wannabe models expecting pay? If anything, the market is killed by clients expecting free work from photographers and by photographers eager to comply.
2) A photographer's investment in equipment, classes, postprocessing time, and six lights, filters, backdrops and the like is no guarantee of quality work.
Model
Caitin Bre
Posts: 2687
Apache Junction, Arizona, US
FilmmakerDC wrote:
I love this.
Everyone needs a hobby and shooting nudes sure beats coin collecting ...lol. Being nude beats coin collecting. 
Model
Caitin Bre
Posts: 2687
Apache Junction, Arizona, US
glamourglenn wrote:
Ladies, I will shoot you. Come on over. Okay
Model
Caitin Bre
Posts: 2687
Apache Junction, Arizona, US
Rik Williams wrote:
lol or the all time classic GMC, give me cash. forgot the UF up front.
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