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Nathine
Posts: 144
Scottsdale, Arizona, US


Why models don't show to a shoot.

1. Perhaps its the photographer initial contact - Great looks, let's talk on collaboration. Never heard from again.

2. Date set for meeting or shoot, last minute cancellation.

3. Response from photographer when contacted - Who are you again?

4. Response from photographer - other things have come up, get back to you (translation - someone hotter than you has just contacted me. Leer.)

5. Casting call no nudity, contact from photographer, can you send me some nude photos.

6. I'm sure other models have a lot more to add.

Come on people, let's have some cooperation and commitments. or can that only be expected from the big guys back east?

Nathine
May 16 13 10:08 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,209
Salem, Oregon, US


so you're having trouble with photographers flaking on you? i sympathize since i've had my share of flaky models. just seems to go with the territory although some members claim to have never had a flake (or just a few). maybe it partly depends on how you define flake (to me it's a shoot that got scheduled but then never happens).

for my part i've never flaked on a model (by my definition of flake). i have had some conversations that just stopped (not for any particular reason usually except that i got busy with other things or other models). and i did have to reschedule with one model with a week's notice because i got a paid gig on the same day and needed the money.
May 16 13 10:16 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Vector One Photography
Posts: 2,612
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US


Those are just a lot of excuses for bad behavior. There are very few good reasons not to show for a shoot (car accident on the way, last minute illness, death in the family). There may be more reasons to cancel a shoot but that should be done days or weeks before the event.

Most of what you wrote were reasons to cancel, not to fail to show up.
May 16 13 10:19 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


Vector One Photography wrote:
Those are just a lot of excuses for bad behavior. There are very few good reasons not to show for a shoot (car accident on the way, last minute illness, death in the family). There may be more reasons to cancel a shoot but that should be done days or weeks before the event.

Most of want you wrote were reasons to cancel, not to fail to show up.

+1

May 16 13 10:24 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Nathine
Posts: 144
Scottsdale, Arizona, US


Same definition as yours. Luckily I make a living with LA and Eastern shoots. Beginning to wonder about AZ at times. Same things happens with plumbers, and repair men.

I can understand paid, and reschedule, The key operative is reschedule. Courtesy in the industry is of utmost importance, as with any industry, although I know there is always a new batch of incoming, every week.

I like to keep busy, like what I do, and hate down time. Since the economic collapse, big shoots have changed, one photographer, three clothing lines, and in some cases 1/2 to 1/3 the usual paycheck. Of course less on the hourly, studio time, and assorted para help. (Basically becoming similar to work hours just under full time, so no benefits, etc). The real high price ones, are still the same, with exceptionally long hours for a directed scripted pose.

Nathine
May 16 13 10:24 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


Nathine wrote:
Why models don't show to a shoot.

1. Perhaps its the photographer initial contact - Great looks, let's talk on collaboration. Never heard from again.

2. Date set for meeting or shoot, last minute cancellation.

3. Response from photographer when contacted - Who are you again?

4. Response from photographer - other things have come up, get back to you (translation - someone hotter than you has just contacted me. Leer.)

Maybe they saw a thread the model posted on MM? wink

I have to say that your attitude towards photographers in this post seems rather negative and bitter. That's not something most photographers want to sense from models, especially when there are so many models out there.



Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com

May 16 13 10:25 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shot By Adam
Posts: 5,549
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Nathine wrote:
4. Response from photographer - other things have come up, get back to you (translation - someone hotter than you has just contacted me. Leer.)

I don't understand this one in your list. If a photographer calls off the shoot, it would kind of go without saying that a model wouldn't show up to a shoot that didn't exist.

Now, that said, I think there are a few other items you neglected to mention, and these are based on actual excuses I've heard from models no-showing for a shoot:

- Model partied all night the night before and is too hung over to show up.
- Model forgot to put it on their calendar.
- Model couldn't understand how to use Google Maps, Mapquest, or a GPS and couldn't figure out where the shoot was based on the address given to them.
- Model got a better offer, like going shoe shopping or helping a friend move.
- The schedule at the Strip Club changed and they had to go into work.
- They didn't "feel pretty" the day of the shoot.
- Model lost her iPhone the night before and that was her only alarm clock.
- Model just got dumped by their BFF.
- Model's only ride to the shoot was an escort who flaked.
- Model's only ride to the shoot was the boyfriend of their roomate who decided to come over and have sex with said roomate instead of driving them to the shoot.
- "I'm on the rag today".

And then, of course, there is this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnrCsaSICEE

May 16 13 10:30 am  Link  Quote 
Model
NicoleNudes
Posts: 3,790
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Vector One Photography wrote:
Those are just a lot of excuses for bad behavior. There are very few good reasons not to show for a shoot (car accident on the way, last minute illness, death in the family). There may be more reasons to cancel a shoot but that should be done days or weeks before the event.

Most of want you wrote were reasons to cancel, not to fail to show up.

+2

May 16 13 10:35 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


Nathine wrote:
Why models don't show to a shoot.

1. Perhaps its the photographer initial contact - Great looks, let's talk on collaboration. Never heard from again. If you never heard from them again after that "Let's talk on collaboration," it appears you didn't have a shoot scheduled to begin with.

2. Date set for meeting or shoot, last minute cancellation. That's not a why. that's just a fact without explanation.

3. Response from photographer when contacted - Who are you again? And why would this be a reason to be a no-show on a shoot?

4. Response from photographer - other things have come up, get back to you (translation - someone hotter than you has just contacted me. Leer.) An assumption without proof. And a cancellation by the photographer does not mean the model didn't show, since there was no longer a shoot to attend.

5. Casting call no nudity, contact from photographer, can you send me some nude photos. If the photographer creeps you out, cancel. Don't just fail to show up.

6. I'm sure other models have a lot more to add.

Come on people, let's have some cooperation and commitments. or can that only be expected from the big guys back east?

Nathine

May 16 13 10:35 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AJScalzitti
Posts: 12,257
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Vector One Photography wrote:
Those are just a lot of excuses for bad behavior. There are very few good reasons not to show for a shoot (car accident on the way, last minute illness, death in the family). There may be more reasons to cancel a shoot but that should be done days or weeks before the event.

Most of want you wrote were reasons to cancel, not to fail to show up.

QFT

May 16 13 10:36 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


That Italian Guy wrote:
I have to say that your attitude towards photographers in this post seems rather negative and bitter. That's not something most photographers want to sense from models, especially when there are so many models out there.

QFT.

May 16 13 10:36 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Nathine
Posts: 144
Scottsdale, Arizona, US


No I'm not negative, and I work well with anybody. However my time is equally valuable. Now I didn't say that these were my reasons, and I have never not shown for shoot, if scheduled.

When you come to think of it, if a model turns you down, because she has another engagement, (which inevitably does not come to be), how do you feel?

Actually it seems to be inherent in Az., tradesmen schedule a time for repair, and never show, of course your day is shot.
Need services, call up a local, and never get a return call.

It is that I do find those from the east and north west, much more capable of meeting appointments, than some of our locals.

That list by the way was compiled by 6 models, all meeting the same experience, so I thought I would defend the model this time since most threads are why models don't show to a shoot.

Glad I am getting some response
Nathine
May 16 13 10:37 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,209
Salem, Oregon, US


how about this one: "me and my boyfriend rescued some baby nutria this morning and he took off to play golf and left me to care for them" that one was so out there i believed it was true.

Shot By Adam wrote:
Now, that said, I think there are a few other items you neglected to mention, and these are based on actual excuses I've heard from models no-showing for a shoot:

May 16 13 10:38 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,209
Salem, Oregon, US


i just want a few day's advance notice of a cancellation, that's all. it's when they blow it off completely or message me 5 minutes after call time that i get upset. i'm sympathetic if sometimes it's because they just started their period and have cramps or whatever but it's still frustrating (and even costly if there's a MUA who now wants a kill fee). can't we all get along?

Nathine wrote:
When you come to think of it, if a model turns you down, because she has another engagement, (which inevitably does not come to be), how do you feel?

May 16 13 10:40 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


Nathine wrote:
No I'm not negative, and I work well with anybody. However my time is equally valuable. Now I didn't say that these were my reasons, and I have never not shown for shoot, if scheduled.

When you come to think of it, if a model turns you down, because she has another engagement, (which inevitably does not come to be), how do you feel?

Actually it seems to be inherent in Az., tradesmen schedule a time for repair, and never show, of course your day is shot.
Need services, call up a local, and never get a return call.

It is that I do find those from the east and north west, much more capable of meeting appointments, than some of our locals.

That list by the way was compiled by 6 models, all meeting the same experience, so I thought I would defend the model this time since most threads are why models don't show to a shoot.

Glad I am getting some response
Nathine

You don't get it, Nathine. That list wasn't about reasons to no-show. It was a weak enough list of reasons to cancel.

May 16 13 10:42 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
StevieSteve
Posts: 23
Madison, Wisconsin, US


Kinda no different than the dating scene today. Girls will want to meet for a date earlier in the day then flake out right before or just stand ya up!  Just chalk it up to the lack of class and mannerisms of today's younger generation.
May 16 13 10:42 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Nathine
Posts: 144
Scottsdale, Arizona, US


I get it. Perhaps I didn't state it properly. I agree there is no excuse for a model not to show for a shoot. We are agreed.
However, equally there is no excuse for photographers not to show, or cancel a shoot 1 - 2 hours before (struck by an asteroid), or cancel and never recontact the model for a reschedule.
Are we agreed on that?


Nathine
May 16 13 10:45 am  Link  Quote 
Model
The Original Sin
Posts: 13,894
Louisville, Kentucky, US


We're just not that into you??

I dunno, I got nothing.
May 16 13 10:49 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shot By Adam
Posts: 5,549
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Nathine wrote:
I get it. Perhaps I didn't state it properly. I agree there is no excuse for a llama not to show for a shoot. We are agreed.
However, equally there is no excuse for photographers not to show, or cancel a shoot 1 - 2 hours before (struck by an asteroid), or cancel and never recontact the llama for a reschedule.
Are we agreed on that?


Nathine

Yes, it's called "Common Sense". Not sure what needs agreeing to on that.

May 16 13 10:51 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Nathine
Posts: 144
Scottsdale, Arizona, US


The Original Sin  wrote:
We're just not that into you??

I dunno, I got nothing.

Let's not make this personal.

I am simply representing some models here.

Nathine

May 16 13 10:55 am  Link  Quote 
Model
The Original Sin
Posts: 13,894
Louisville, Kentucky, US


Nathine wrote:
Let's not make this personal.

I am simply representing some models here.

Nathine

Plural/collective YOU, not individual you.  You're not a photographer, why would my response be directed to you?

ETA:

I have never understood the "on the rag" excuse.  I have miserable, painful, nauseating periods most of the time, as well as some other feminine issues, but I dare anyone to tell me which shots in my portfolio were taken while I was on the rag.  Yeah, I might have had to take a bunch of Midol and between shots cuss at my ovaries, but I still managed to shoot.

May 16 13 11:00 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


Nathine wrote:
I get it. Perhaps I didn't state it properly. I agree there is no excuse for a model not to show for a shoot. We are agreed.
However, equally there is no excuse for photographers not to show, or cancel a shoot 1 - 2 hours before (struck by an asteroid), or cancel and never recontact the model for a reschedule.
Are we agreed on that?

No, we're not.

There is no excuse for a no-show/no-call by either model or photographer.

There may well be valid reasons for a model or photographer to cancel 1-2 hours before a shoot.

There may well be valid reasons to cancel a shoot and not reschedule.



Edit: I've gotta say, given your snide remark about "hit by an asteroid" suggests a bad attitude toward photographers. Maybe you're inexperienced enough that you can't fathom a valid reason for cancelling with a few hours before the shoot. You disavowed being the source of the original list of reasons to no-show, yet you did share with one of those alleged models a rather snide and cynical attitude in assuming motive.

May 16 13 11:01 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Nathine
Posts: 144
Scottsdale, Arizona, US


Right. No not a photographer, now some tricks in setups for optical illusions that I was taught on the fly. Know how to do scripted sets, done many. Don't know an F stop from an ISA or shutter speed.

Just getting carried away.

Nathine
May 16 13 11:04 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Hi_Spade Photography
Posts: 897
Darlington, South Carolina, US


Shot By Adam wrote:

Yes, it's called "Common Sense". Not sure what needs agreeing to on that.

Now Adam, You know "Common Sense" isn't so..... "Common" wink. Oh, OP, this "Troll" thread isn't the smartest thing for you to do which you'll soon find out wink.

May 16 13 11:05 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Diane Diederich
Posts: 84
Stafford Springs, Connecticut, US


Man. I am so sick of these threads that pit models against photographers, like they were sides in a war. There are flakey people of all stripes who do inconsiderate things...get over it...it's part of the biz.
May 16 13 11:07 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CAG Photography
Posts: 175
Corpus Christi, Texas, US


My only flake as a photographer occurred due to a bicycle crash the morning of the shoot.  Just too cut up and bruised to do the shoot.  I rescheduled and the model is using the photos in her portfolio.  Sometimes things happen.
May 16 13 11:07 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Nathine
Posts: 144
Scottsdale, Arizona, US


Diane Diederich  wrote:
Man. I am so sick of these threads that pit models against photographers, like they were sides in a war. There are flakey people of all stripes who do inconsiderate things...get over it...it's part of the biz.

Interesting, but look at the number of quick responses

Seem to have hit a nerve. wink

Nathine

May 16 13 11:09 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Nathine
Posts: 144
Scottsdale, Arizona, US


Carl Gross wrote:
My only flake as a photographer occurred due to a bicycle crash the morning of the shoot.  Just too cut up and bruised to do the shoot.  I rescheduled and the model is using the photos in her portfolio.  Sometimes things happen.

Key word is reschedule. No problem.

Nathine

May 16 13 11:12 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Nathine
Posts: 144
Scottsdale, Arizona, US


Orca Bay Images wrote:
No, we're not.

There is no excuse for a no-show/no-call by either model or photographer.

There may well be valid reasons for a model or photographer to cancel 1-2 hours before a shoot.

There may well be valid reasons to cancel a shoot and not reschedule.

The key word is valid "not hit by an asteroid"

Nathine

May 16 13 11:14 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Swanson Studios
Posts: 395
Galesburg, Illinois, US


The biggest reason models don't show for shoots is because there are so many grandmas dying in the ranks of models.  It's a weekly event!  Hell one model I shot lost 3 grandmas  in six months time..... one died twice. the model forgot she had already died in may and had her die again in aug.
May 16 13 11:14 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Andrew Koenig
Posts: 310
Gillette, New Jersey, US


There are only two possible reasons to fail to show up for a shoot (I'm not counting being physically unable to be there, perhaps because of a flat tire or getting stuck in traffic; because in that case the model could call as soon as it became clear that getting there in time was impossible):

1) A genuine emergency, such as an auto accident, a mugging, a heart attack, etc.

2) The model never wants to have anything to do with that photographer again but is unwilling actually to come out and say so.
May 16 13 11:17 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CAG Photography
Posts: 175
Corpus Christi, Texas, US


Nathine wrote:

Key word is reschedule. No problem.

Nathine

Something came up that was not a hotter model.  Comment.  Of your post.

May 16 13 11:18 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


Nathine wrote:
The key word is valid "not hit by an asteroid"

Have you actually had a photographer use that excuse?

May 16 13 11:19 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Nathine
Posts: 144
Scottsdale, Arizona, US


Three grandmothers, multiple marriages LOL

One photographer (story related to me) cancelled because he forgot where he put his camera. Cancelled twice with same excuse. Poor model was devastated.

One photographer, (this happened several years ago) couldn't shoot because the stars were out of alignment. Won't be in alignment for the next 3 years. Joined the Franciscan monastery here in Scottsdale.

One photographer, on the set, broke down and started weeping. Now this I can understand.  Still went on with the shoot when he recovered.

Its always a good catharsis to relate old stories.

Nathine
May 16 13 11:23 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Miroslava Svoboda
Posts: 555
Seattle, Washington, US


Never flaked, have cancelled twice without rescheduling actually. I have been flaked on twice granted both times I didn't have to go out of my way to get somewhere for exactly that reason but combined it with other activities.

There is no flaking but cancelling is a whole different ball game. If a photographer starts changing things or acting strange it's an almost guaranteed cancellation.
May 16 13 11:24 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Nathine
Posts: 144
Scottsdale, Arizona, US


Orca Bay Images wrote:

Have you actually had a photographer use that excuse?

Yup, car was hit (most likely with a stone off the highway, small dent), but apparently an asteroid is more exotic. He never got it fixed. I've heard of some real doozies.

I don't mind valid excuses. We all have life happening. But just as models have 3 grandmothers constantly on death's door, some photographers have multiple family members in dire straights, repeatedly.

Nathine

May 16 13 11:27 am  Link  Quote 
Model
NicoleNudes
Posts: 3,790
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Diane Diederich  wrote:
Man. I am so sick of these threads that pit models against photographers, like they were sides in a war. There are flakey people of all stripes who do inconsiderate things...get over it...it's part of the biz.

Where's that clapping .gif when you need it?

May 16 13 11:36 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
EdBPhotography
Posts: 7,679
Torrance, California, US


Nathine wrote:
Why models don't show to a shoot.

1. Perhaps its the photographer initial contact - Great looks, let's talk on collaboration. Never heard from again.

2. Date set for meeting or shoot, last minute cancellation.

3. Response from photographer when contacted - Who are you again?

4. Response from photographer - other things have come up, get back to you (translation - someone hotter than you has just contacted me. Leer.)

5. Casting call no nudity, contact from photographer, can you send me some nude photos.

6. I'm sure other models have a lot more to add.

Come on people, let's have some cooperation and commitments. or can that only be expected from the big guys back east?

Nathine

Sooooo...these are reasons why you won't show up to a shoot with other photographers???  As in; "that last photographer who contacted me for a shoot never got back to me or scheduled anything.  Therefore, I'm not gonna' show up the next time some photographer sets up a shoot with me, because he might be just as unreliable as that last guy."

That doesn't sound reasonable, it just sounds like something a flake would say.  If you don't show up for a shoot, regardless if you're the model or the photographer, you're still a flake.  No one cares what your reason for it is.

May 16 13 11:43 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
JohnEnger
Posts: 710
Jessheim, Akershus, Norway


Nathine wrote:
Why models don't show to a shoot.

1. Perhaps its the photographer initial contact - Great looks, let's talk on collaboration. Never heard from again.

2. Date set for meeting or shoot, last minute cancellation.

3. Response from photographer when contacted - Who are you again?

4. Response from photographer - other things have come up, get back to you (translation - someone hotter than you has just contacted me. Leer.)

5. Casting call no nudity, contact from photographer, can you send me some nude photos.

6. I'm sure other models have a lot more to add.

Come on people, let's have some cooperation and commitments. or can that only be expected from the big guys back east?

Nathine

These are reasons to cancel, not to flake. There is nothing wrong with cancelling as long as due notice is given. Not showing up is just rude.


J.

May 16 13 11:45 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


Rotten attitude in Scottsdale... Where have I seen that lately?
May 16 13 11:48 am  Link  Quote 
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