amb300 wrote:
A lot of what you said had some actual basis, except this. I am very good looking in facial features. You are the first person I have ever heard say this, I have had several women say I was very attractive, and part of the reason I got into modeling.

You keep saying that, but repeating it ad absurdium doesn't make it true.

This is most definitely not a "very good looking" face:

The "ugly" thing seems personal. I'm not sure why you would bother saying something that is obviously untrue.

Don't misquote me.

As far as the height thing goes, 5'9" is average for males.

You're talking about the general populace. I'm talking about the modeling populace.

Here are some "regular" pictures of me, not trying to pose.

This is me with short hair, about 9 years ago. Short hair really doesn't fit me at all.

This is me in 2010, I do look a lot more handsome in this photo.

This one is about a year old, before Borderlands 2 and all the beer.

Strangely enough, I look better in some of these than in professional pics, odd.

What you looked like nine years ago or three years ago don't mean shit now. And the year-old shot is nothing to boast about. (And there's that gawd-awful hunched-over posture again.)

amb300 wrote:
I get hit on a lot by girls on campus, and constantly catch women staring at me at the rec center

Doubtful, regarding the hit on. Totally plausible, regarding the stares, but probably not for the reasons you imagine.

amb300 wrote:
No, you keep repeating it when it is obviously untrue. I'm not sure what your point is, but it isn't working. I've had way too many positive responses from girls over the years, and other reasons. I'm a hunk.

Okay, now you're clearly trolling. Over the top trolling. Delusional trolling.

amb300 wrote:
Nah, just being honest. I really can't understand why you keep repeating that over and over. It doesn't make it true.

Saying I am attractive isn't trolling, it is just saying it like it is.

https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/1 … eed81a.jpg
^Not sure if 18+.  Dude in women's panties with visible junk.

Stop...please stop.  You've clearly got a thick enough skin to hang around the forums but you've gotta quit doing this (although if this is trolling, it's absolutely brilliant.)

Mr. Greenshirt, you are not conventionally attractive in either a classical or a contemporary way.  There are people who will find you attractive.  There are people who will find you very unattractive.  Girls stare for a number of reasons, many of which are not complimentary.  "I am looking at you" does not equate to "I want you." 

We are not lying to you when we tell you these are not good images.  We're being a little more blunt than usual because your cocky online persona invited a bit of ridicule, but the central message here -- that the images are bad and that you, personally, do not fit the image you're casting yourself -- is rock solid.

You consider yourself androgynous.  You are not.  Your facial features are decidedly masculine.  Your images show facial hair.  Your shoulders are broad, your hips are narrow, and no one will ever mistake you for a woman.

The women's underwear thing -- that is fine for real life.  Someone very special to me used to periodically borrow my clothing.  He wore his hair long.  He was absolutely, spectacularly beautiful to me but I can retain objectivity here -- he did not look like a woman.  I would not have told him he was passable and photographed him as such, at least not wearing just the things he wore. 

You, also, are not passable. You are not androgynous.  Your images do not convey androgyny.  It appears to be an average sized, average build, frizzy haired white man sitting on a fence with his dick just kinda chilling in women's underwear.  There is nothing redeeming about this image.  It is not a good image.  The pose is not good, the expression is not good, the photography is not good, and there's no need to retouch it; it won't save it.

You want to argue with every statement being made.  Don't.  Consider, for a moment, that you are wrong.  Look at the things you are denying, back up, and check your picture.  You are not, for a model, tall.  The pics you just linked to are even worse - blank expression, bad posture, you might as well be posing for a mugshot in them.

Again, seek out someone who knows what they're doing and work with them.  You may have to pay them for the privilege.  Just be honest with yourself about what you are and what you are not and the quality of your images should improve substantially.

amb300 wrote:
I was thinking classical attractiveness, at least when I see the pics with my shirt off. Pale skin, thin build, toned, like a Greek statue. At least that is what I am reminded of.

Well...pale, yes.  And yay for pale.  If this is the look you're going for, I'd check into...I don't know, maybe personal training.  If you want to be thin, get thinner.  If you want to be toned, get toneder...toner...more gym time.  I'm not sure what to do about hair.

I do find it odd that you would say I am not attractive, the other guy is saying it to try and get a reaction. I have had many complements from women over the years. I've never had one even say anything remotely about me being unattractive, even ones that were angry at me and wanted to find something hurtful to say.

I did not say that you are unattractive.  Everyone is attractive to someone.  However, by most standards, I believe (and anyone here can feel free to dispute this; I am typically unattracted to men in general and therefore not much good at this) that you are normal.  You are not the super-attractive god among men that you seen to believe you are but you don't make me cringe or anything, you know?

With regards to girls...I think everyone has had many compliments from both genders.  That doesn't mean anything. And in arguments...do people typically go to "you're unattractive" in an argument?  I'd aim more for things like, you know, "you're delusional," "you're unmotivated and unambitious," or "why is the cat in the ceiling," or "seriously, you lit the house on fire again WTF!?"

Hearing someone say that to me is like saying 1+2=4, or the earth is flat, or the bible is true.

I cracked up.  Based on this, we can be friends.

It's so obvious a fallacy that it isn't believable for a second.

Based on this, I'm back to "quit it!"

Now, the other comments made sense, and I could kind of see where they were coming from. I do hunch over a lot, and I need to work on that. I've always had an issue with posture. For the women's underwear thing, they do look really good on me, but that is not the reason I wear them. I can do without them in a photo shoot, in the future.

I'll leave this be.  If they're not in the photo, good enough.