kane wrote:
ETA: Amazon UK has the Dell Ultrasharp U2412M 24" at a pretty good price right now...

It's a decent monitor - I use one in my studio for tethering.

Not easy to calibrate being an LED backlight (I only have a Spider 2) but you can download an ICC profile from TFTCentral that will do an adequate job unless your work is extremely colour critical.




Just my $0.02

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Stefano

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kane wrote:
....  Looking at the 23" Asus PA238Q at the moment.  Any opinions?

Great Monitor.. Reds a little strong (even after calibration), but overall an excellent monitor for a great price.

Jakov Markovic wrote:
Why not just get an NEC or something of that matter?

Pay attention to the word "budget".

Feverstockphoto wrote:
Dell Ultrasharp U2412M 24" I have one of these, really nice size, aspect ratio, functions.... Callibrated with Spider works well enough for me.

Dell U2412M
Standard gamut = 71% NTSC, 74.3% Adobe RGB, 95.8% sRGB
$284

Dell U2413
Wide Gamut = 103% NTSC (CIE 1931), 99% Adobe RGB, 100% sRGB coverage
$465, i.e. +$181 difference and MUCH more features

ASUS PA249Q
Wide Gamut = 120% NTSC, 99% Adobe RGB, 100% sRGB coverage
$380 (USED!), i.e. +$96 difference and MUCH more features

Dan OMell wrote:

Dell U2412M
Standard gamut = 71% NTSC, 74.3% Adobe RGB, 95.8% sRGB
$284

Dell U2413
Wide Gamut = 103% NTSC (CIE 1931), 99% Adobe RGB, 100% sRGB coverage
$465, i.e. +$181 difference and MUCH more features

ASUS PA249Q
Wide Gamut = 120% NTSC, 99% Adobe RGB, 100% sRGB coverage
$380 (USED!), i.e. +$96 difference and MUCH more features

^ Yep but OP is looking at Amazon UK, i guess looking at their profile page can give some indication as to why that is. Anyway the latter Asus is £420.99 on Amazon UK while the Dell i mentioned is £219.97 and within their stated budget.

Feverstockphoto wrote:
the latter Asus is £420.99 on Amazon UK while the Dell i mentioned is £219.97 and within their stated budget.

+1
I see, and the ratio in US$ is almost the same, but my point was to introduce more than one criteria to the Procrustean bed of the so called budget. Skipping some afternoon's scone and cake with tea maybe like 10-20 times max. is well worth the celestial feast for his eyes enjoying the true colors with full wide gamut like zillion times on every-day basis...

I know I would. I am shopping for a new monitor too right now. I was stupidly economical, and my retouching became absolutely terrible, partially because I don't see the even very basic tonal gradations properly. So, I spent a lot of efforts and wasted a lot of time for nothing in return. I need a reasonably good violin, not a Stradivarie's, of course, but at least not some chipo tavern tweedle-fiddle, to play.

If I have one of the best camera on the market right now, why should I compromise the quality of the final pictures in the post and don't take all possible advantages offered by RAW processing? Sometimes even tiniest gradation, every additional pixel counts as good as gold and make a lot of difference (provided I'm able to see them!)

Zorka wrote:

Pay attention to the word "budget".

This is a budget thread.

Nobody wants to pay anything. Not even attention.

Dan OMell wrote:
hmm...
some reviewers report ASUS PA249Q's mediocre dark grayscale performance, and Dell U2413 seems to have a ghosting problem...

The U2413 Ghosting problem is happening on a batch of the Rev-A01's .  You can replace it with another Rev-A01 and not have the problem.  No known A02 versions have this problem.

Wilde One wrote:
This is a budget thread.
Nobody wants to pay anything. Not even attention.

define "budget".
I think it's still somewhat in the suggested range and almost in the same category of monetary value, just a bit of higher quality and more value per each dollar spent. after all, you  pay more when you buy something you gonna replace in a year or two seeing all limitations anyways, and it gonna cost you more, in the long run.
nobody suggests this beast which I probably gonna get in the very distant future (like in 2050?) when I finally stop shooting for free. even so, it's still cheaper than my camera body.
$0 budget is probably when you skip any post-processing altogether which I pretty much admire in others, but hardly can live without, myself.

Erik Manwaring - Philly wrote:
The U2413 Ghosting problem is happening on a batch of the Rev-A01's .  You can replace it with another Rev-A01 and not have the problem.  No known A02 versions have this problem.

thank you, because I've kinda got Buridan's ass syndrom already (Dell vs ASUS).

Pictus wrote:
How to choose a good monitor

The Dell U2413 is OK and your eyes will be happy that it does not use PWM with low frequency.
OBS, to calibrate the U2413H internal LUT, you need a X-rite i1Display Pro

thank you so much! probably, it's good enough for static images. but I have some concern regarding severe ghosting issue when editing videos though.