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Marc Damon
Posts: 6,562
Biloxi, Mississippi, US


Tony Lawrence wrote:
A little background.   The model who started the petition is a member here.   She is not a fashion model nor does she seem to be signed or know TR.   As for a petitions effectiveness.   When  its being written about and appearing on covers as well as major web sites you can bet people may take notice.   Celebrities live on gossip and controversy but companies usually don't want it.  Its just easier to use other photographers.   This could cost TR lots of money.

Yep. We all saw the other thread. I think it was locked for being a trainwreck. I also seem to remember many people admonishing the model that she is potentially exposing herself to charges and lawsuits for slander and libel. If TR was worried, I'm sure his legal team would have put a stop to it by now.

Nov 03 13 11:50 am  Link  Quote 
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Marc Damon
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Biloxi, Mississippi, US


A Visual Haiku wrote:

If this is a viable way to more work & moolah, y'all are welcome to start saying shit about me... lol

smile

Hey! Don't leave me out of the fray! But only if it makes me rich! lol

Nov 03 13 11:51 am  Link  Quote 
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Eliza C new portfolio
Posts: 2,424
Monmouth, Wales, United Kingdom


udor wrote:

You see... the interesting thing here is that the allegation of that MM "model", that... as the post article says has nothing to do with the fashion industry besides being a consumer, is that TR is "an alleged sex-offender!".

That is the accusation that H&M has to investigate, and if he has not been charged in a court of law for committing sex crimes, then he is really not an alleged sex-offender.

This petition is a charade and the Model Mayhem member will have her 15 minutes in the spotlight, doing a few talk shows and maybe become a cast member of a reality show before sliding back into obscurity... or becoming some "advocate".

                                                          facepalm

P.S.: I hope that if TR loses one single client based on the lie of being a sex offender, that his lawyers sue the shit out of her, her family and her little village!

Why hasn't he sued the agency models making the claims? Or has he? If not, why not if he is innocent?

The peitition is a farce but plenty of girls have made allegations ( so that's 'alleged' ) against Richardson and that is the main concern not the girl's petition. If he is innocent I think he has rather more chance of getting a good settlement from the other models. Do you think they are lying?

Nov 03 13 11:56 am  Link  Quote 
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J I M M I
Posts: 557
Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, US


Marc Damon wrote:

Hey! Don't leave me out of the fray! But only if it makes me rich! lol

Okay, we'll work a deal. You take the cash, I'll take the women...

tongue

Nov 03 13 12:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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J I M M I
Posts: 557
Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, US


Eliza C  new portfolio wrote:
(snip)...the NY times moral panic... (snip)

Not debating or necessarily disagreeing with anything you said in your reply, just wanted to clarify that it's the New York Post, not the Times. Big difference.

Nov 03 13 12:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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J O H N A L L A N
Posts: 9,508
Santa Ana, California, US


I find it abhorrent that an MM model who has apparently never worked with the man nor been in contact with him for that matter, feels it's anywhere near appropriate to start a petition to intentionally cause him economic injury, simply based on things she's read.
Nov 03 13 12:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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J I M M I
Posts: 557
Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, US


J O H N  A L L A N wrote:
I find it abhorrent that an MM model who has apparently never worked with the man nor been in contact with him for that matter, feels it's anywhere near appropriate to start a petition to intentionally cause him economic injury, simply based on things she's read.

Your thoughts are succinct, logical and accurate.

Does it really have any place in an MM thread about Terry Richardson? lol

Nov 03 13 12:11 pm  Link  Quote 
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Eliza C new portfolio
Posts: 2,424
Monmouth, Wales, United Kingdom


A Visual Haiku wrote:

Not debating or necessarily disagreeing with anything you say here, just wanted to clarify that it's the New York Post, not the Times. Big difference.

ha ha yes sorry. smile
It is because I also read this; which is the NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/04/fashi … d=all&_r=0

Nov 03 13 12:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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Eliza C new portfolio
Posts: 2,424
Monmouth, Wales, United Kingdom


J O H N  A L L A N wrote:
I find it abhorrent that an MM model who has apparently never worked with the man nor been in contact with him for that matter, feels it's anywhere near appropriate to start a petition to intentionally cause him economic injury, simply based on things she's read.

That I tend to agree with.
However, as a model myself who will also never work with him, I feel I should be able to express concern over what models who actually have worked with him have alleged.

Nov 03 13 12:18 pm  Link  Quote 
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ontherocks
Posts: 22,079
Salem, Oregon, US


Indeed, in Mr. Richardson’s view, there is little difference. “I think all your work is personal,” he said. “It’s your life.”

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who's to say he's wrong to have fun at work, especially if that work is his life? i've seen that running my own business. you can't ever leave it at work. your work is your life.

Nov 03 13 12:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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udor
Posts: 21,043
New York, New York, US


Eliza C  new portfolio wrote:
Why hasn't he sued the agency models making the claims? Or has he? If not, why not if he is innocent?

The peitition is a farce but plenty of girls have made allegations ( so that's 'alleged' ) against Richardson and that is the main concern not the girl's petition. If he is innocent I think he has rather more chance of getting a good settlement from the other models. Do you think they are lying?

Well... there is a difference between making personal allegations (Rie never worked with him, right?) or starting a campaign for someone to lose their livelihood.

The allegations that would stick are the kind of "he raped me!", "I was only 16 when he forced me to please him orally"...

Allegations of girls that willingly or hesitantly, yet feeling pressure, pleased him sexually is as hard to enforce as suing a company for buyers' remorse.

Funny thing is, I do believe that some of the girls would willingly do "things" because of his fame.

There are groupies and people fucking and sucking their bosses and people in power to advance in all levels of society.

I am by far not famous, just a struggling artist in NY, but even I, many, many years ago... have been proposed by models, offering to "take care of me" if I shoot their portfolio... and they weren't talking about money... Oh... the last such offer, I got from a model four or five weeks ago.

I didn't do it of course... but those girls were very determined... which kinda creeped me out... to be honest... LOL

So... just imagine the upline of importance and fame of photographers (or other fashion executives)... from what I hear... it's more common than not!

Nov 03 13 12:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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Brooklyn Bridge Images
Posts: 8,775
Brooklyn, New York, US


ontherocks wrote:
In November 2012, Bruce Willis’ and Demi Moore’s daughter Scout tweeted that “last night Terry Richardson tried to finger me. I didn’t let him, obviously. But I did let him photograph me topless in the bathroom.”

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to me this is the whole thing in a nutshell. instead of calling the cops or leaving

Sexual harassment isnt a criminal act
Cops would laugh
You file a civil suit but as we know most victims dont come forward or file suit
There was a much bigger stink about Terry in 2010
Nothing was done then
I doubt anything has changed

Nov 03 13 12:30 pm  Link  Quote 
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Eliza C new portfolio
Posts: 2,424
Monmouth, Wales, United Kingdom


udor wrote:
Well... there is a difference between making personal allegations (Rie never worked with him, right?) or starting a campaign for someone to lose their livelihood.

The allegations that would stick are the kind of "he raped me!", "I was only 16 when he forced me to please him orally"...

Allegations of girls that willingly or hesitantly, yet feeling pressure, pleased him sexually is as hard to enforce as suing a company for buyers' remorse.

Funny thing is, I do believe that some of the girls would willingly do "things" because of his fame.

There are groupies and people fucking and sucking their bosses and people in power to advance in all levels of society.

I am by far not famous, just a struggling artist in NY, but even I, many, many years ago... have been proposed by models, offering to "take care of me" if I shoot their portfolio... and they weren't talking about money... Oh... the last such offer, I got from a model four or five weeks ago.

I didn't do it of course... but those girls were very determined... which kinda creeped me out... to be honest... LOL

So... just imagine the upline of importance and fame of photographers (or other fashion executives)... from what I hear... it's more common than not!

Rie's image appeared in his book Terryworld. I am not sure if that means he worked with her or not. Certainly other models have and have alleged he acted inappropriately.

Yes I know that models can also come on to photographers. They can come on to doctors too but there is a reason doctors are struck off if they take advantage of such situations. So you are wise to turn them down. Casting couch can work both ways of course and yes women can do it to advance their careers in may fields.
Nevertheless that in NO WAY excuses those that do make promises for sexual favour. It is an ABUSE of their position of power; in ANY field of work.
So once again, are you suggesting those models who have made allegations against him who have worked with him are lying; or are you attempting to excuse him if they are telling the truth? Be clear on this Udor please. We are NOT discussing it the other way around.

Nov 03 13 12:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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J O H N A L L A N
Posts: 9,508
Santa Ana, California, US


udor wrote:

Well... there is a difference between making personal allegations (Rie never worked with him, right?) or starting a campaign for someone to lose their livelihood.

The allegations that would stick are the kind of "he raped me!", "I was only 16 when he forced me to please him orally"...

Allegations of girls that willingly or hesitantly, yet feeling pressure, pleased him sexually is as hard to enforce as suing a company for buyers' remorse.

Funny thing is, I do believe that some of the girls would willingly do "things" because of his fame.

There are groupies and people fucking and sucking their bosses and people in power to advance in all levels of society.

I am by far not famous, just a struggling artist in NY, but even I, many, many years ago... have been proposed by models, offering to "take care of me" if I shoot their portfolio... and they weren't talking about money... Oh... the last such offer, I got from a model four or five weeks ago.

I didn't do it of course... but those girls were very determined... which kinda creeped me out... to be honest... LOL

So... just imagine the upline of importance and fame of photographers (or other fashion executives)... from what I hear... it's more common than not!

I also think the danger is, that the type of girl who does what you describe, is much more apt to also be the type of girl who years later (in the midst of other allegations), if offered the opportunity to capitalize on notoriety and/or money by suddenly becoming the victim in the past scenario, would easily do just that.

Nov 03 13 12:33 pm  Link  Quote 
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ontherocks
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Salem, Oregon, US


to me the ladies lose credibility when they accept it in order to advance their careers (or for sexual kicks or bragging rights or whatever their inner reptile brain reason might be). if it's a crime then leave and/or call the cops or report it to your agency or whatever needs to happen (it seems like if enough women do that then maybe things will eventually change).

if the goal is to clean up the fashion industry why scapegoat one particular individual?

some of these allegations just strike me as two people using each other (each having their own reasons) which i don't see as a crime. someone on the outside may not agree with their choices/motives but they were both adults.

Eliza C  new portfolio wrote:
Casting couch can work both ways of course and yes women can do it to advance their careers in may fields.

Nov 03 13 12:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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Mikey McMichaels
Posts: 1,460
New York, New York, US


Did anyone else see the part about Scout's tweet being a hoax connected to a school assignment? The entire twitter account was a hoax.

Also H&M's statement doesn't mean they e discontinued working with him, it means they aren't in the middle of any projects with him.
Nov 03 13 12:36 pm  Link  Quote 
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Eliza C new portfolio
Posts: 2,424
Monmouth, Wales, United Kingdom


Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote:
Sexual harassment isnt a criminal act
Cops would laugh
You file a civil suit but as we know most victims dont come forward or file suit
There was a much bigger stink about Terry in 2010
Nothing was done then
I doubt anything has changed

That doesn't make it right IF it happened.

I am going to quote Stefano on this since I agree totally with what he says here:

"And so – hopefully – another perv bites the dust. It seems that the over-publicised actions of a few ‘celbrity’ photographers like TR have spawned a rash of wannabes who feel that it’s OK to treat models like trash in the hope of getting an occasional weak-willed girl to submit to their demands. Well done Roswell for reporting this guy and for publicly ‘outing’ him – it’s encouraging that he’s now been blacklisted by the agencies and networking sites but a shame that the police don’t seem to be able to do anything – even a formal caution – about it. Hopefully though, your actions here will encourage other models who may be badly treated in the future to speak out too as they see the all positive reaction you’ve had to what might seem a risky course of action"

http://roswellivory.wordpress.com/2011/ … eferences/

And maybe the hype has contributed to it as Stefano says. That is why until now I have stayed silent on the Richardson issue but on the other hand when people are implying that he has done nothing wrong (if the allegations are true) then I think that dodgy ground.

Nov 03 13 12:36 pm  Link  Quote 
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ontherocks
Posts: 22,079
Salem, Oregon, US


you mean she wasn't even involved in it? somebody else just made it up on her behalf?

Mikey McMichaels wrote:
Did anyone else see the part about Scout's tweet being a hoax connected to a school assignment? The entire twitter account was a hoax.

Nov 03 13 12:38 pm  Link  Quote 
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eos3_300
Posts: 1,451
Brooklyn, New York, US


Eliza C  new portfolio wrote:

Please dont misunderstand me
Im not in the Terry camp at all
If the allegations are true I think Terry is scum of the earth.
I just think the industry is so diseased he will be allowed to merrily go on his way abusing people with no repercussions.
Just trying to make it clear to those who say if he's soo bad why has he never been arrested ?

Nov 03 13 12:41 pm  Link  Quote 
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J O H N A L L A N
Posts: 9,508
Santa Ana, California, US


Eliza C  new portfolio wrote:

That I tend to agree with.
However, as a model myself who will also never work with him, I feel I should be able to express concern over what models who actually have worked with him have alleged.

Agreed, but there is a line between expressing concern, or an individual discussing their opinion on the subject, and someone actively initiating a public campaign with the specific intent to financially injure someone.

Nov 03 13 12:42 pm  Link  Quote 
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Eliza C new portfolio
Posts: 2,424
Monmouth, Wales, United Kingdom


ontherocks wrote:
to me the ladies lose credibility when they accept it in order to advance their careers (or for sexual kicks or bragging rights or whatever their inner reptile brain reason might be). if it's a crime then leave and/or call the cops or report it to your agency or whatever needs to happen (it seems like if enough women do that then maybe things will eventually change).

if the goal is to clean up the fashion industry why scapegoat one particular individual?

some of these allegations just strike me as two people using each other (each having their own reasons) which i don't see as a crime. someone on the outside may not agree with their choices/motives but they were both adults.


NO NO NO.

It ios entirely different when one is in a position of power the other not.

It is WRONG for me as a uni tutor to get involved with a student even though they may be over 18 and came on to me.
It is WRONG for a doctor to take advantage of a patient similarly.
It is WRONG for anyone in a position of power above another to take advantage of that position.

With modelling when a model shoots with a top photographer it is wrong for them to abuse that position for sexual favour.

Nov 03 13 12:42 pm  Link  Quote 
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Eliza C new portfolio
Posts: 2,424
Monmouth, Wales, United Kingdom


J O H N  A L L A N wrote:

Agreed, but there is a line between expressing concern, or an individual discussing their opinion on the subject, and someone actively initiating a public campaign with the specific intent to financially injure someone.

Yes I agree. But people do it all the time unfortunately and the press hype it. Take for example the Marc Jacobs story the other week about him allegedly using dog fur. It was tanuki (also called raccoon dog) which is no more a dog than a fox is a dog but few people seemed to be concerned about that major error. Anyway there was a petition about that too. Very difficult on this however as the girl has said 'alleged'. I wouldn't sign it and didn't respond to the thread.

Nov 03 13 12:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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udor
Posts: 21,043
New York, New York, US


Eliza C  new portfolio wrote:
Rie's image appeared in his book Terryworld. I am not sure if that means he worked with her or not. Certainly other models have and have alleged he acted inappropriately.

Yes I know that models can also come on to photographers. They can come on to doctors too but there is a reason doctors are struck off if they take advantage of such situations. So you are wise to turn them down. Casting couch can work both ways of course and yes women can do it to advance their careers in may fields.
Nevertheless that in NO WAY excuses those that do make promises for sexual favour. It is an ABUSE of their position of power; in ANY field of work.
So once again, are you suggesting those models who have made allegations against him who have worked with him are lying; or are you attempting to excuse him if they are telling the truth? Be clear on this Udor please. We are NOT discussing it the other way around.

Eliza, first... AFAIK, Terry bought the rights to those images of Rie from whatever source, but I could be wrong, that's my understanding.

It is absolutely wrong in any situation to lie to someone (including false promises) to get sexual favors... that's against my own personal code of ethics.

I have never said that those girls are lying... he did have sex or received sexual gratification from a lot of models... and he documented many of them on his blogs for all to see.

My point is that he is being alleged of committing multiple felonies in that petition...

None of the models that said they had sex and did sexual things with him said that they were raped... THAT is my point!

They felt uncomfortable, felt that the situation "appeared" that it was all playful and weird and so they did it... nobody was forced in that moment (that I what I am saying).

Even Jamie Peck, who gave a clear description of her feelings during the situation, later on defended him, saying he is not a bag guy and that she wanted the photo he took for her, but she never picked up.

I hate moral witchhunts... sensationalism, opportunistic accusations, slander and libel.

Either you are a rapist and pedophile and you are charged in a court of law and not public opinion, or you are not!

Sofar... he has never been accused by anyone (until the MM member, who started that petition, accused him) of being a pedophile and committing felonies.

Does he get laid because of who he is... definitely, does he get more young girls (adults, btw.) than many others, yeah... are there girls who feel pressured and regret it later... totally... but... at the moment of the act... did he commit a crime by forcing them against their will?

That is the question! If you have proof of that, more than thinking that he is a pig, then go to the police and get him charged and he deserves jail time if he indeed is a criminal sex offender...

Remember that none of the models who report about the lewd conduct say that he committed a crime on them!!!

Nov 03 13 12:51 pm  Link  Quote 
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Eliza C new portfolio
Posts: 2,424
Monmouth, Wales, United Kingdom


eos3_300 wrote:

Please dont misunderstand me
Im not in the Terry camp at all
If the allegations are true I think Terry is scum of the earth.
I just think the industry is so diseased he will be allowed to merrily go on his way abusing people with no repercussions.
Just trying to make it clear to those who say if he's soo bad why has he never been arrested ?

Because there is this whole lack of understanding that it is not two consenting adults it is one abusing their power over another for sexual favour.

The industry is not diseased I worked in it. But like any industry there are those who will take advantage of their power. It is the individual that is wrong but sometimes they are clever in coming across as mr nice guy to their superiors friends and colleagues. And if they have celeb friends that can make them untouchable...or so they think. However; I will still make it clear that I do not think it fair to hound the man if there is any question of his innocence; and the petition is the wrong way to go about it. I wish people were more wary about signing their name to stupid petitions anyway. I have rarely seen one that has much credence. I did sign one a month ago but only after I'd researched it for a month and found it worthy.

Nov 03 13 12:52 pm  Link  Quote 
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ontherocks
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Salem, Oregon, US


i'm all for consenting adults having tons of great sex but i'm willing to consider that maybe uncle terry's methods are a bit suspect. but why do the women put up with it? that's the part i don't understand. are they brainwashed or held against their will or something? when a new model pops on here they usually get warned about pervs. did these other models not get that memo? maybe some of these top models need to read the mayhem forums.

what about all the women who sleep with their boss? are you saying none of them did that to help their careers? or for other reasons? it was only because the boss forced them to or they would lose their job? i guess i'm still looking for the evidence saying men are 100% to blame and the women 0%. both men and women (well at least some of them) have hormones (and other reasons) for wanting to have sex. and people often have sex with those they come in contact with (such as people they work with). the wife and i met at work although we never had sex at work.

Eliza C  new portfolio wrote:
With modelling when a model shoots with a top photographer it is wrong for them to abuse that position for sexual favour.

Nov 03 13 12:54 pm  Link  Quote 
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Karl JW Johnston
Posts: 8,944
Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada


popcorn
Nov 03 13 12:56 pm  Link  Quote 
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Eliza C new portfolio
Posts: 2,424
Monmouth, Wales, United Kingdom


udor wrote:
Eliza, first... AFAIK, Terry bought the rights to those images of Rie from whatever source, but I could be wrong, that's my understanding.

It is absolutely wrong in any situation to lie to someone (including false promises) to get sexual favors... that's against my own personal code of ethics.

I have never said that those girls are lying... he did have sex or received sexual gratification from a lot of models... and he documented many of them on his blogs for all to see.

My point is that he is being alleged of committing multiple felonies in that petition...

None of the models that said they had sex and did sexual things with him said that they were raped... THAT is my point!

They felt uncomfortable, felt that the situation "appeared" that it was all playful and weird and so they did it... nobody was forced in that moment (that I what I am saying).

Even Jamie Peck, who gave a clear description of her feelings during the situation, later on defended him, saying he is not a bag guy and that she wanted the photo he took for her, but she never picked up.

I hate moral witchhunts... sensationalism, opportunistic accusations, slander and libel.

Either you are a rapist and pedophile and you are charged in a court of law and not public opinion, or you are not!

Sofar... he has never been accused by anyone (until the MM member, who started that petition, accused him) of being a pedophile and committing felonies.

Does he get laid because of who he is... definitely, does he get more young girls (adults, btw.) than many others, yeah... are there girls who feel pressured and regret it later... totally... but... at the moment of the act... did he commit a crime by forcing them against their will?

That is the question! If you have proof of that, more than thinking that he is a pig, then go to the police and get him charged and he deserves jail time if he indeed is a criminal sex offender...

Remember that none of the models who report about the lewd conduct say that he committed a crime on them!!!

As I stated it is not necessarily viewed as a crime to ask a girl you are in a position of trust and power over to play with herself for their gratification. So it does NOT have to be rape to be thorughly disgusting, inappropriate and abusive behaviour if true. The MM girl hasn't said alleged rapist has she?

But as I said; I don't agree with the petition either.

Nov 03 13 12:56 pm  Link  Quote 
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B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


udor wrote:
There are groupies and people fucking and sucking their bosses and people in power to advance in all levels of society.

Willingly offering sexual favours in return for advancement is very different from being explicitly (or subtly) pressured into giving them either unwillingly or at the very least somewhat grudgingly.

Rasmussen states that young models were pressurised, not that they openly offered to do it.

"They are too afraid to say no because their agency booked them on the job and are too young to stand up for themselves."

If that truly is the case then I don't see how anybody with a shred of decency could bring themselves to defend or excuse such actions.

J O H N  A L L A N wrote:
There is a line between expressing concern, or an individual discussing their opinion on the subject, and someone actively initiating a public campaign with the specific intent to financially injure someone.

+1

I also think the petition is stupid and misguided but I understand and agree with the sentiment behind it.



Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Nov 03 13 12:58 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rick OBanion Photo
Posts: 1,288
Saint Catharines-Niagara, Ontario, Canada


I agree with Stefano about it empowering other guys to be douches and it debases the rest of us...but I also do not agree that this all his fault.

Who the fuck seriously doesn't know what he is like? No one who can even get in with him doesn't have an agent.
If you shoot with him he is going to try and screw you...end of story. If you wave a fish at a bear he will try and eat it..end of story.
But none of it is illegal. He is free to try and screw any adult he wants.
I am not attractive, rich,influential, desperate or hung enough to get models nor am I interested in someone half my age, so I don't understand it. But..then again..two consenting adults, not my business. I conduct myself with respect towards models..that's ll I can do.
The petition will make him MORE money not less...I'm not worried about his well being. He is smart enough to know that.
Nov 03 13 01:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rick OBanion Photo
Posts: 1,288
Saint Catharines-Niagara, Ontario, Canada


That Italian Guy wrote:

Willingly offering sexual favours in return for advancement is very different from being explicitly (or subtly) pressured into giving them either unwillingly or at the very least somewhat grudgingly.

Rasmussen states that young models were pressurised, not that they openly offered to do it.

"They are too afraid to say no because their agency booked them on the job and are too young to stand up for themselves."

If that truly is the case then I don't see how anybody with a shred of decency could bring themselves to defend or excuse such actions.


+1

I also think the petition is stupid and misguided but I understand and agree with the sentiment behind it.



Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

I don't think I have worked with one 18 year old that wouldn't punch me in the neck for doing something bad...maybe Canadian chicks are tougher. You SHOULD be outraged at their agent..THEY know EXACTLY what he is going to do.

Nov 03 13 01:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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eos3_300
Posts: 1,451
Brooklyn, New York, US


Eliza C  new portfolio wrote:
The industry is not diseased I worked in it.

I disagree.
Those in power know all about Terry and chose to do nothing about him.

Nov 03 13 01:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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Caitin Bre
Posts: 1,798
Naperville, Illinois, US


Its bullshit Bias writings.
Lynch mob idiots.

I hope Terry sues the crap out of them.
Nov 03 13 01:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
udor
Posts: 21,043
New York, New York, US


Eliza C  new portfolio wrote:
As I stated it is not necessarily viewed as a crime to ask a girl you are in a position of trust and power over to play with herself for their gratification. So it does NOT have to be rape to be thorughly disgusting, inappropriate and abusive behaviour if true. The MM girl hasn't said alleged rapist has she?

But as I said; I don't agree with the petition either.

In her thread on MM, defending her petition, she did in fact say that he is a rapist and a pedophile and I called her out on it.

I agree with what you are saying above..., but moral offense shouldn't be enough to stone someone or to destroy a career and lifelihood.

A good example of what kind of harm public opinion can cause happened just recently in the UK, where a guy took pictures of youth, vandalizing his front porch and then being accused of being a pedophile, resulting in his assault and ultimately burning him in front of his house on the street?
He wasn't a pedophile and the police let him go. Do you see what I am getting at?

Nov 03 13 01:04 pm  Link  Quote 
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Tony Lawrence
Posts: 18,906
Chicago, Illinois, US


Sigh... Adults are free to do as they choose.   Unless a photographer or director or casting agent puts a gun to a talents head.   They are FREE to walk.   Some have in the past when asked to provide sexual favors.   Some initiate things.   I've been at parties and clubs and watched women throw themselves at basket ball players, Chicago Bears and singers.   Unequal power in my mind is at a 9-5 job where you have to keep a gig to eat.   Not at a test shoot with TR where he solicits you.   Is it tasteless and crude, sure.   Are the women free to refuse, yes.   Some have and written about those experiences.   This isn't the 1950's or 60's.   Lets also be candid some women and men make themselves sexually available because they want to get ahead (no jokes) and or they like sex. 

We are all free to make our life and career choices.   If your boss or co-worker or famous photographer/director gets out of line speak up.   You don't have to go ballistic but you do need to assert yourself.   There is a old saying that silence equals permission.   For the record I don't know TR.   My guess is very few people here will ever work at his level and I would caution everyone to take what you read and hear about him with a grain of salt.
Nov 03 13 01:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Eliza C new portfolio
Posts: 2,424
Monmouth, Wales, United Kingdom


J O H N  A L L A N wrote:
I also think the danger is, that the type of girl who does what you describe, is much more apt to also be the type of girl who years later (in the midst of other allegations), if offered the opportunity to capitalize on notoriety and/or money by suddenly becoming the victim in the past scenario, would easily do just that.

Here is the problem right here.

I am not after notoriety. It happened to me with an MM photographer who at the time was a big shot and the darling of the UK fashion magazine scene.

I tell you what happened. This guy booked me for a shoot. he kept sending me texts saying he wanted to do something edgy. No problem. I am cool with edgy. But what he ACTUALLY meant was he wanted to shag me while we shot. As I declined he asked me to do all manner of progressively degarding sex acts. Otherwise he would call off the shoot and I'd never get anywhere in modelling. I declined of course. But I was in a mess for months frightened to tell anyone as he was so big; and felt I must have somehow given him a come on (I now KNOW I did nothing of the sort) . Through my fear he got away with it and went further with other girls as he got bolder. Finally a model did have the courage to speak out and he was put away for three years:
http://www.haringeyindependent.co.uk/ne … on_models/

So is it a criminal offence to ask for sexual favour in a position of pwoer as an employer or a famous photographer is over a model? Maybe not; but that still doesn't make it acceptable. And I am extremely concerned by other photographers who may not consider the model's vulnerability in such even though it may not be rape as such. If not told they are doing wrong, then as with the mofo it can progress to worse. And one does wonder whether the antics of Richardson - and some of what he is reported to say to these girls is almost like he read the script - acts as a bad example.

Nov 03 13 01:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Rick OBanion Photo
Posts: 1,288
Saint Catharines-Niagara, Ontario, Canada


Eliza C  new portfolio wrote:

Here is the problem right here.

I am not after notoriety. It happened to me with an MM photographer who at the time was a big shot and the darling of the UK fashion magazine scene.

I tell you what happened. This guy booked me for a shoot. he kept sending me texts saying he wanted to do something edgy. No problem. I am cool with edgy. But what he ACTUALLY meant was he wanted to shag me while we shot. As I declined he asked me to do all manner of progressively degarding sex acts. Otherwise he would call off the shoot and I'd never get anywhere in modelling. I declined of course. But I was in a mess for months frightened to tell anyone as he was so big; and felt I must have somehow given him a come on (I now KNOW I did nothing of the sort) . Through my fear he got away with it and went further with other girls as he got bolder. Finally a model did have the courage to speak out and he was put away for three years:
http://www.haringeyindependent.co.uk/ne … on_models/

So is it a criminal offence to ask for sexual favour in a position of pwoer as an employer or a famous photographer is over a model? Maybe not; but that still doesn't make it acceptable. And I am extremely concerned by other photographers who may not consider the model's vulnerability in such even though it may not be rape as such. If not told they are doing wrong, then as with the mofo it can progress to worse. And one does wonder whether the antics of Richardson - and some of what he is reported to say to these girls is almost like he read the script - acts as a bad example.

You didn't know though...everyone walking into his studio for the last five years KNEW. Big difference. He puts pics up of him doing models..do people need to be hit over the head with a bat?

Nov 03 13 01:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Eliza C new portfolio
Posts: 2,424
Monmouth, Wales, United Kingdom


Tony Lawrence wrote:
Sigh... Adults are free to do as they choose.   Unless a photographer or director or casting agent puts a gun to a talents head.   They are FREE to walk.   Some have in the past when asked to provide sexual favors.   Some initiate things.   I've been at parties and clubs and watched women throw themselves at basket ball players, Chicago Bears and singers.   Unequal power in my mind is at a 9-5 job where you have to keep a gig to eat.   Not at a test shoot with TR where he solicits you.   Is it tasteless and crude, sure.   Are the women free to refuse, yes.   Some have and written about those experiences.   This isn't the 1950's or 60's.   Lets also be candid some women and men make themselves sexually available because they want to get ahead (no jokes) and or they like sex. 

We are all free to make our life and career choices.   If your boss or co-worker or famous photographer/director gets out of line speak up.   You don't have to go ballistic but you do need to assert yourself.   There is a old saying that silence equals permission.   For the record I don't know TR.   My guess is very few people here will ever work at his level and I would caution everyone to take what you read and hear about him with a grain of salt.

No you aren't. In many fields of work asking sexual favour for some promise of better prospects would be met by dismissal. And why should the photographer model realtionship be any different if a position of power is abused for sexual favour.

Nov 03 13 01:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,079
Salem, Oregon, US


+1

if you go along with it to help your career then you've become part of the problem.

seems like what's needed is model empowerment (speak up, say no, even if it might hurt you in the wallet) as much as a petition. if no model is willing to shoot with terry (or everyone leaves when he gets out of line) then he'll have to go be a landscape photographer or something and we won't have daily uncle terry threads.

Tony Lawrence wrote:
We are all free to make our life and career choices.   If your boss or co-worker or famous photographer/director gets out of line speak up.   You don't have to go ballistic but you do need to assert yourself.   There is a old saying that silence equals permission.

Nov 03 13 01:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
eos3_300
Posts: 1,451
Brooklyn, New York, US


Tony Lawrence wrote:

Adults should not have their livelihood suffer because they don't perform sexual favors for those in power.

Nov 03 13 01:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
eos3_300
Posts: 1,451
Brooklyn, New York, US


Rick OBanion Photo wrote:
He puts pics up of him doing models..do people need to be hit over the head with a bat?

They might..
If you read back some of past Terry Threads you can see many had no idea of his books or what he posts on blogs.

Nov 03 13 01:14 pm  Link  Quote 
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