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Photographer
undergone
Posts: 54
Athens, Attikí, Greece


Hi there,

I saw this pic through the D&B topic and wanted to ask if anybody knows how to achieve this warmer skin colour , without affecting the contrast of the skin.
Also, where different colour patches in the skin fixed with dodge and burn or any other method? Thank you.

http://www.amydresser.com/beauty.html
Nov 06 13 01:01 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Camerosity
Posts: 5,085
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


undergone wrote:
Hi there,

I saw this pic through the D&B topic and wanted to ask if anybody knows how to achieve this skin colour without affecting the contrast of the skin. Also, where different colour patches in the skin fixed with dodge and burn or any other method? Thank you.

Are you asking about your avatar?

Nov 06 13 01:10 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
undergone
Posts: 54
Athens, Attikí, Greece


Camerosity wrote:

Are you asking about your avatar?

I am sorry ! I put the link now..

Nov 06 13 01:16 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Camerosity
Posts: 5,085
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


While the lighting and mood are different (and I went for a somewhat darker look), the skin tones look very much like those in one of my photos.

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/130108/13/50ec9027d3534.jpg

After making minor adjustments in the skin tones, I desaturated the photo by -20, then added a totally desaturated layer (gray scale) and brushed that in. Judging by the layer mask, I'd say I used about 20% opacity for the gray scale layer. I also did a LOT of d&b on the feathers - but that has nothing to with the skin tones. Both the hue/saturation and totally desaturated layers were applied to the skin tones only (not the feathers, dress, background, etc.).

In the photo that you've linked to, the skin tones are not highly saturated, but they are very cool (blue) in the "before" photo. While there may have been some desaturation during post, my guess is that the main steps were correcting (warming) the skin tones and using d&b to make the skin tones more uniform.

Since your OP referred to color (not saturation), I'm not sure whether your concern is correcting the skin color or getting the desaturated look. If it's color correction that you're interested in, this web page will give you some guidelines for correcting skin color.

http://www.graphicconnectionkc.com/skin … ction.html
Nov 06 13 12:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Peano
Posts: 4,106
Lynchburg, Virginia, US


undergone wrote:
wanted to ask if anybody knows how to achieve this skin colour without affecting the contrast of the skin.

Use a selective color adjustment layer. In the reds panel, increase cyan and decrease magenta. This is another of Amy's images (left) that I used to illustrate the change ...

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/7919/e7pm.jpg

Nov 06 13 12:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Click Hamilton
Posts: 34,340
San Diego, California, US


To get rid of the clammy-blue pale look and warm the original, it looks like a blend of yellow and red to me, in about equal amounts.

Ctrl-J to duplicate layer, then Ctrl-B to pull up your color balance box. Add +15 (+red) and -15 (+yellow) to start.

Double click the layer icon to bring up the blending box then move the slider backwards to taste.

Adjust the skin texture blemishes by your favorite method.

Nov 06 13 02:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mikey McMichaels
Posts: 1,981
New York, New York, US


undergone wrote:
Hi there,

I saw this pic through the D&B topic and wanted to ask if anybody knows how to achieve this skin colour without affecting the contrast of the skin. Also, where different colour patches in the skin fixed with dodge and burn or any other method? Thank you.

http://www.amydresser.com/beauty.html

Yes and no.

The thing to realize is there you're not seeing one single skin color, there are multiple colors.

Look at the lightest part and then at the darker part on the cheek. One of the aspects you're reacting to is the uniformity of the color and that can't happen in the same way with a high contrast image.

If you read about saturation, you learn that luminosity affects our perception of saturation, and as luminosity is adjusted we will perceive saturation shifts and un some cases hue shifts.

Elements of that skin color can not happen in a darker image.

If you compare the before and after, one part of the change is the WB. If you made a different photo have the same WB under the same temperature lights, you'd probably have areas that matched, but without the same lighting and contrast, there would be spots with lower luminosity and the skin color would look very different.

So, yes you can change skin color without changing the contrast, but you can not get the skin color in that photo without having the same contrast that's in that photo. If the contrast in your photo is not the same, then it will have to change to match.

Nov 06 13 03:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
undergone
Posts: 54
Athens, Attikí, Greece


Peano wrote:
Use a selective color adjustment layer. In the reds panel, increase cyan and decrease magenta. This is another of Amy's images (left) that I used to illustrate the change ...

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/7919/e7pm.jpg

Most of the times- I have models with very pale skin and i need to make it warmer. the methods i saw through blending modes are not very nice (?) Should I change tones with curves? solid colour layers or? so as to have a quality result with not orangy skin?

Please see the picture below as well:

http://www.modelinia.com/__wordpress__/ … ly2009.jpg

Nov 07 13 02:25 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
undergone
Posts: 54
Athens, Attikí, Greece


Camerosity wrote:
While the lighting and mood are different (and I went for a somewhat darker look), the skin tones look very much like those in one of my photos.

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/130108/13/50ec9027d3534.jpg

After making minor adjustments in the skin tones, I desaturated the photo by -20, then added a totally desaturated layer (gray scale) and brushed that in. Judging by the layer mask, I'd say I used about 20% opacity for the gray scale layer. I also did a LOT of d&b on the feathers - but that has nothing to with the skin tones. Both the hue/saturation and totally desaturated layers were applied to the skin tones only (not the feathers, dress, background, etc.).



In the photo that you've linked to, the skin tones are not highly saturated, but they are very cool (blue) in the "before" photo. While there may have been some desaturation during post, my guess is that the main steps were correcting (warming) the skin tones and using d&b to make the skin tones more uniform.

Since your OP referred to color (not saturation), I'm not sure whether your concern is correcting the skin color or getting the desaturated look. If it's color correction that you're interested in, this web page will give you some guidelines for correcting skin color.

http://www.graphicconnectionkc.com/skin … ction.html

thank you very interesting link

Nov 07 13 03:06 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Peano
Posts: 4,106
Lynchburg, Virginia, US


undergone wrote:
Most of the times- I have models with very pale skin and i need to make it warmer. the methods i saw through blending modes are not very nice (?) Should I change tones with curves? solid colour layers or? so as to have a quality result with not orangy skin?

Post an image you're having trouble with, and a target image that has the skin tones you're after.

Nov 07 13 06:10 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
undergone
Posts: 54
Athens, Attikí, Greece


Peano wrote:
Post an image you're having trouble with, and a target image that has the skin tones you're after.

I do not know how to post- please see from links:

from this:
http://www.google.gr/imgres?start=107&n … x=48&ty=95

to this:

http://www.vogue.ru/collection/springsu … al/#677972

Nov 08 13 12:19 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Natalia_Taffarel
Posts: 7,665
Buenos Aires, Buenos Aires, Argentina


Do you work with masking?

http://www.studiobased.com/mask_skin.png

Once you have the mask for the skin, the rest is adjustments.

You can use curves, to make the skin darker, pull down luminosity and up the sat with hue/sat adj.,  or work with blacks in selective color. Color balance is an easy way to find the color that you find more pleasing for the image, since you can easily control shadows, midtones and highlights.

this was done in like 2 minutes

http://www.studiobased.com/result.png
Nov 08 13 05:41 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Peano
Posts: 4,106
Lynchburg, Virginia, US


Try placing sample points on your image and the target image. Choose areas where the brightness is about the same (don't compare a dark tone with a light tone), and set those readouts to show CMYK values.

You'll find that your image needs more magenta and more yellow to get it closer to the target. I used a selective color adjustment layer for this. (I temporarily removed the blue/green background because that will screw with your color perception of the skin tones.)

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/4853/ifpb.jpg
Nov 08 13 06:16 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
undergone
Posts: 54
Athens, Attikí, Greece


Thank you! I ll go on and try those!!
Nov 08 13 09:17 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Michael Bots
Posts: 5,610
Kingston, Ontario, Canada


Lots of skin tone adjustment for this music video - compare the before (behind the scenes) with the finished product.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMLNs4N3gjc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHjcArA_sGw
Nov 08 13 11:49 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Peano
Posts: 4,106
Lynchburg, Virginia, US


Michael Bots wrote:
Lots of skin tone adjustment for this music video - compare the before (behind the scenes) with the finished product.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMLNs4N3gjc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHjcArA_sGw

These videos don't have anything to do with Photoshop.

Nov 08 13 03:36 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Michael Bots
Posts: 5,610
Kingston, Ontario, Canada


Michael Bots wrote:
Lots of skin tone adjustment for this music video - compare the before (behind the scenes) with the finished product.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMLNs4N3gjc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHjcArA_sGw
Peano wrote:
These videos don't have anything to do with Photoshop.

Odd. Criticized for pointing to a real world end product  before/after  example of what can be done with skin tone adjustments. 

Photoshop does work on video the same as stills, so if you want all the models to end up with the "same" skin color regardless of completely different starting points ------ you did notice that one of the models was black in the "before" bts and everybody had the same skin color "after", including her face in close up.


Here --> right from one of Adobe's web sites

Tutorial: Color correcting video in Photoshop CS6
http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2012/07/tu … p-cs6.html

Nov 08 13 05:36 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Peano
Posts: 4,106
Lynchburg, Virginia, US


Michael Bots wrote:
Odd. Criticized for pointing to a real world end product  before/after  example of what can be done with skin tone adjustments.

What can be done isn't in question here. The OP already posted examples of what can be done. He wants to know how it's done. Showing more before/after examples doesn't even touch on that question.

Michael Bots wrote:
Tutorial: Color correcting video in Photoshop CS6
http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2012/07/tu … p-cs6.html

This is also irrelevant. The OP isn't working with video.

Nov 08 13 05:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jakov Markovic
Posts: 1,100
Belgrade, Central Serbia, Serbia


Why does everyone call it color correcting? smile This maybe a stupid question but... um isn't it just coloring? big_smile
Nov 09 13 08:25 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robert Randall
Posts: 13,842
Chicago, Illinois, US


Jakov Markovic wrote:
Why does everyone call it color correcting? smile This maybe a stupid question but... um isn't it just coloring? big_smile

I would think that if you're changing the color from one point to another, more than likely you're viewing that change as an improvement over the original color scheme. Hence the term "correcting".

Nov 09 13 11:28 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jakov Markovic
Posts: 1,100
Belgrade, Central Serbia, Serbia


Robert Randall wrote:

I would think that if you're changing the color from one point to another, more than likely you're viewing that change as an improvement over the original color scheme. Hence the term "correcting".

Ahaaaa... correct it to fit your idea, not the reality. big_smile I was like, damn, I sure am not "correcting" something that was correct to begin with. big_smile

Nov 09 13 04:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
WIP
Posts: 15,367
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom


Jakov Markovic wrote:
Why does everyone call it color correcting? smile This maybe a stupid question but... um isn't it just coloring? big_smile

Colouring is the term used in editing post production film/video.

http://mypad.northampton.ac.uk/09316478 … colouring/

Nov 10 13 12:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Najan
Posts: 83
Poitiers, Poitou-Charentes, France


It's colourising/colorizing for the film post-prod. When you add colours to B&W films. (->Film colorization, source wikipedia)
Nov 10 13 01:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Brandon Cline-Jones
Posts: 85
Portland, Oregon, US


I dont think he was changing anything to fit his definition. Color correction exactly what it says. Correcting color to whatever fits with the aesthetic of the composition, the shoot, the layout, the art directors vision etc etc.
You are taking the existing color from teh camera, and correcting it in some way.
Nov 10 13 03:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Sungoddess Studios
Posts: 5,169
Atlantic Highlands, New Jersey, US


I was never a fan of low quality fashion trend of deleting orange over saturating blue and desaturating everything but blue and red. Calibrate your monitor, take a colorblindness test. and look at COLORS!!!! REALISM !!!!!!!!! IS THE NEW WOW!!!! in Print!!!!!!!!! Resaturate   If you want B&W Shoot B&W
Nov 10 13 03:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Peano
Posts: 4,106
Lynchburg, Virginia, US


Jakov Markovic wrote:
Why does everyone call it color correcting? smile This maybe a stupid question but... um isn't it just coloring? big_smile

How many angels can dance on . . .

Nov 10 13 04:36 pm  Link  Quote 
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