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Angie_ Hair_ and Makeup

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Saint Cloud, Florida, US

http://www.mamamia.com.au/celebrities/l … photoshop/

What do you think of latest Versace AD not using a makeup artist for their campaign and doing all the makeup in Photoshop. Will this become a trend.

Is obvious that Versace can afford a makeup artist. I wonder why they chose not to use one. The final look could have been easily achieved with makeup.

Apr 17 14 06:34 am Link

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Jennifer J Walsh

Posts: 103

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Its interesting to me.  Clearly Versace can afford the tip top of the market in regards to make up and retouchers.  Doing makeup THIS expertly in photoshop takes years of skill (which of course Versace can afford) - as does doing makeup of Versace quality.  I've seen other retouchers do it in photoshop and not have as skilled results. 

I will admit that as a retoucher, I will tell a mua to NOT cover up large blemishes or freckles as I can easier do the correction  (not that a freckle is a flaw but it might be a look they are going for) than correct the correction if there was not 100% spot on blending. 

Its a fine line of where the skill set will be to achieve the results desired.

Apr 18 14 09:01 am Link

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KungPaoChic

Posts: 4221

West Palm Beach, Florida, US

I'm not sure this is not a big PR stunt.

And the before pictures look like she has some makeup on to me. The reason they look awful to me is more expression and the images look unretouched.

In one shot her eye is half closed -- it isn't the lack of makeup that ruins the shot for me.

Apr 18 14 10:52 am Link

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Laura Elizabeth Photo

Posts: 2253

Rochester, New York, US

I'm honestly not sure why they did this but I can tell you ask a relatively professional retoucher I doubt photographers are just going to start shooing campaigns without makeup.  Sure this and that might be able to be faked in post but there's certain looks, in fact most of them, that just can't be replicated realistically in photoshop.  Regardless, having something to start with, even if you're going to photoshop the hell out of it later, helps immensely. 

And really with the cost of retouching (some can go as high as $100 an hour I believe) I can imagine it wouldn't be more cost effective to have someone just do all the makeup in PS as opposed to getting it as close as you can in real life and working from there to save time in post.  Maybe Gaga's rates or whatever are so crazy that they didn't wanna spend time on makeup, I donno.

Long story short, you guys aren't going to be replaced by retouchers, at least not any time soon as far as I can tell.

Apr 18 14 11:32 am Link

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ThirdEyeMakeup

Posts: 316

Los Angeles, California, US

For a retoucher to do this, they must almost be like a makeup artist- just using a different medium than makeup. But they would need to know how to be experimental with new trends and such. It's kind of like a new emerging type of makeup artist, only much more expensive I presume.

I don't think this would ever replace a makeup artist though, because there is something magical about transforming a person and how they feel right on the spot. Talent always feel sexier and more confident in front of the camera when they are done up. It's actually quite courageous of Gaga to brave the camera sans makeup like she did. I'm not sure a lot of people would be comfortable doing the same.

Edit: The makeup in the Versace ads is well done, but most of the time makeup that has been applied in photoshop looks very fake and "too perfect" - not in a good way. I'm thinking of ads like Rimmel or Lancome.

Or this:
https://styljunki.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/smoky-eye-beauty-and-the-feast.jpg

Apr 18 14 02:01 pm Link

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Camera Ready Studios

Posts: 7191

Dallas, Texas, US

It's a publicity stunt...Plain and simple.   There is NO WAY someone on this shoot "leaked" photos of Gaga with no makeup.   

Also, they didn't just apply makeup in post, they changed bone structure as well as took away folds of skin etc.   

As was mentioned, the person that did this had to have editing skills as well as makeup artistry skills, this is a rare find and this is someone that would be more expensive then a makeup artist.. Even really good photo-shoppers have no idea how to adjust makeup properly.

Apr 18 14 06:00 pm Link

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KungPaoChic

Posts: 4221

West Palm Beach, Florida, US

Mary wrote:
It's a publicity stunt...Plain and simple.   There is NO WAY someone on this shoot "leaked" photos of Gaga with no makeup.   

Also, they didn't just apply makeup in post, they changed bone structure as well as took away folds of skin etc.   

As was mentioned, the person that did this had to have editing skills as well as makeup artistry skills, this is a rare find and this is someone that would be more expensive then a makeup artist.. Even really good photo-shoppers have no idea how to adjust makeup properly.

I don't see retouchers replacing professional makeup artists anytime soon.

Good makeup artist has saved my bacon more than once. Yes good lighting, yes, retouching great, but I've had subjects walk in and I about fell on the floor.

Makeup artist does her magic and life is good. Not everyone has perfect skin.
And I do agree there is something magical about having a someone do your hair and makeup, pay attention to you and pamper you. It makes people feel special and pampered.

It's an important part of the transformation IMO.

A good makeup artist is worth her weight in gold!

Apr 18 14 07:27 pm Link

Makeup Artist

Camera Ready Studios

Posts: 7191

Dallas, Texas, US

KungPaoChic wrote:

I don't see retouchers replacing professional makeup artists anytime soon.

Good makeup artist has saved my bacon more than once. Yes good lighting, yes, retouching great, but I've had subjects walk in and I about fell on the floor.

Makeup artist does her magic and life is good. Not everyone has perfect skin.
And I do agree there is something magical about having a someone do your hair and makeup, pay attention to you and pamper you. It makes people feel special and pampered.

It's an important part of the transformation IMO.

A good makeup artist is worth her weight in gold!

Celebrities demand it and usually choose who the artist will be...Another reason why I know this was a planned publicity stunt.  A big name brand would never dismiss an artist ...pampering on set is something celebrities expect and the cost of an artist is very small compared to the overall cost of the shoot

Apr 18 14 09:55 pm Link

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Sandra Valero

Posts: 293

Madrid, Madrid, Spain

ThirdEyeMakeup wrote:
I don't think this would ever replace a makeup artist though, because there is something magical about transforming a person and how they feel right on the spot. Talent always feel sexier and more confident in front of the camera when they are done up.

I think you made a really good point here. I find that models always "get into character" when they have everything read (wardrobe, hair, makeup) and I'm sure seeing the whole package finished right before shoooting helps them understand the concept and perform better as well.

Apr 18 14 11:56 pm Link

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ProArtWork

Posts: 54

New York, New York, US

Angie_ Hair_ and Makeup wrote:
Is obvious that Versace can afford a makeup artist. I wonder why they chose not to use one. The final look could have been easily achieved with makeup.

If the retoucher is an inhouse retoucher then it's a cost effective reason.

Apr 20 14 07:09 am Link

Photographer

KungPaoChic

Posts: 4221

West Palm Beach, Florida, US

Mary wrote:
It's a publicity stunt...Plain and simple.   There is NO WAY someone on this shoot "leaked" photos of Gaga with no makeup.   

Also, they didn't just apply makeup in post, they changed bone structure as well as took away folds of skin etc.   

As was mentioned, the person that did this had to have editing skills as well as makeup artistry skills, this is a rare find and this is someone that would be more expensive then a makeup artist.. Even really good photo-shoppers have no idea how to adjust makeup properly.

There is a portrait photographer who trains her makeup artists to be retouchers

She says makeup artists make the best retouchers because they understand how to carve the face.

Now her retouchers are not vogue level high fashion house retouchers but it is an interesting point.

Apr 20 14 05:13 pm Link

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didi_clark

Posts: 50

San Francisco, California, US

I'm not sure I'm convinced that this is the case, it's hard to make a good comparison because the pics aren't pound for pound - the wardrobe and composition are different, I think an MUA was used on the second set of images...

Jun 21 14 11:42 am Link

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Camera Ready Studios

Posts: 7191

Dallas, Texas, US

didi_clark wrote:
I'm not sure I'm convinced that this is the case, it's hard to make a good comparison because the pics aren't pound for pound - the wardrobe and composition are different, I think an MUA was used on the second set of images...

I just looked for where the article says an artist wasn't used.... So why did we all assume an artist wasn't used?   The ones with no makeup are probably the tests they did to check lighting before she went into makeup...

Jun 21 14 01:17 pm Link

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Camera Ready Studios

Posts: 7191

Dallas, Texas, US

ProArtWork wrote:

If the retoucher is an inhouse retoucher then it's a cost effective reason.

I'm pretty sure an in house retoucher of this quality is going to cost more then the artist...  Great retouchers are very expensive

Jun 21 14 01:18 pm Link

Retoucher

Natalia_Taffarel

Posts: 7665

Buenos Aires, Buenos Aires, Argentina

+1 on "where did you get the idea that a mua was not used?"

Jun 21 14 01:28 pm Link

Makeup Artist

didi_clark

Posts: 50

San Francisco, California, US

Lucia Pieroni was the MUA on the Versace S/S 14
See here : http://models.com/client/versace

Jun 21 14 03:03 pm Link

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Makeup by Alley

Posts: 7

Topeka, Kansas, US

Not nagging on Versace...but they took the cheap way out. They probably feel like they're too good to do it the old fashion way. I hope this doesn't become a trend because its not fair for people who actually have talent an who have actually spent years perfecting their skill.

Jun 21 14 07:38 pm Link