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Looknsee Photography

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Portland, Oregon, US

Amazon announced a new smartphone recently -- they call it "Fire".  So, now we have iPhones, Android phones, Windows phones, and Amazon phones. 

You can find info on the new phones on Amazon's home page.

Any thoughts?

Jun 19 14 11:43 am Link

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Looknsee Photography

Posts: 26342

Portland, Oregon, US

My thoughts:  (Random order)

...  Do we really need another competing, proprietary phone?
...  Actually, competition is good, therefore I hope they do well.
...  I saw one pontiff sneer that it doesn't have apps, but it
     appears that it'll run iTunes & other apps from other platforms.
...  I'm still mad with Amazon over their stance with Hachette.
...  From a certain perspective, all these phones look alike.

As an old computer scientist, specializing in both 3D imaging & user interfaces, there are some unique features in this phone that interest me and that potentially can be a significant differentiation from the other phones.  I like the dynamic perspective (assuming that there are apps & games in the future that use it), and the one-hand navigation is potentially a step forward.

Jun 19 14 11:43 am Link

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r T p

Posts: 3511

Los Angeles, California, US


it
s the next best thing since sliced Chiclets


... cant wait to get one

Jun 19 14 12:05 pm Link

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Michael Bots

Posts: 8020

Kingston, Ontario, Canada

Possibly collects more metadata than the NSA.  Can make use of ambient sound, text in images, GPS tagging, object recognition.


Amazon’s Fire Phone might be the biggest privacy invasion ever
http://venturebeat.com/2014/06/19/amazo … s-noticed/

"real-time identification of over 100 million objects" (most of which you can buy from Amazon)


lots of links at bottom of article

Jun 19 14 01:23 pm Link

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GK photo

Posts: 31025

Laguna Beach, California, US

Michael Bots wrote:
Possibly collects more metadata than the NSA.  Can make use of ambient sound, text in images, GPS tagging, object recognition.


Amazon’s Fire Phone might be the biggest privacy invasion ever
http://venturebeat.com/2014/06/19/amazo … s-noticed/

"real-time identification of over 100 million objects" (most of which you can buy from Amazon)


lots of links at bottom of article

if you don't want the nsa collecting the metadata from your phone, here's your only option:

https://www.landlinephoneservice.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/tin_can_phone.jpg

i repeat; only option.

and as far as the amazon phone goes, i give it two years, tops.

Jun 19 14 01:52 pm Link

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Sleepy Weasel

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Las Vegas, Nevada, US

I don't think it gets its own OS clarification. Fire OS is just Amazon-skinned Android, like those stupid Kindle tablets. Yes, I think those are stupid.

Jun 19 14 02:12 pm Link

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What Fun Productions

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Phoenix, Arizona, US

GK photo wrote:

if you don't want the nsa collecting the metadata from your phone, here's your only option:

https://www.landlinephoneservice.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/tin_can_phone.jpg

i repeat; only option.

and as far as the amazon phone goes, i give it two years, tops.

And please remember, try to buy American cans and string.

Jun 19 14 03:05 pm Link

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Looknsee Photography

Posts: 26342

Portland, Oregon, US

Michael Bots wrote:
Possibly collects more metadata than the NSA.  Can make use of ambient sound, text in images, GPS tagging, object recognition.

I've heard similar concerns for every smartphone platform.  They are walking spy devices.  And it's not just the NSA that is spying on you -- corporations are spying on you more (and with less government oversight).

Cop dramas on TV can always find you via your modern GPS-enabled cellphone.  That's enough to trigger my paranoia.

But on top of that, there are all sorts of devices & apps & spyware & so forth that track your Internet activities.  They say it is for your own benefit, so that they can target ads that might interest you to you.  Heck, how do you think Facebook and all other social media sites make money?

So, yes, perhaps the Amazon phone is spying on you, but I don't believe what Amazon is doing is any different than what's already been going on.

Jun 19 14 03:06 pm Link

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GK photo

Posts: 31025

Laguna Beach, California, US

Michael Bots wrote:
Possibly collects more metadata than the NSA.  Can make use of ambient sound, text in images, GPS tagging, object recognition.

Looknsee Photography wrote:
I've heard similar concerns for every smartphone platform.  They are walking spy devices.  And it's not just the NSA that is spying on you -- corporations are spying on you more (and with less government oversight).

in this day and age, anyone with half a brain understands what they are giving up--privacy wise--to use a smartphone. if they don't, they're being naive. at least when you download an app using the android os, they are 'explicitly' telling you what they are accessing, in order for you to use that product.

they're the only os that tells you that. those folks in cupertino would never be so forthright. at least not in micro-print.

Looknsee Photography wrote:
Cop dramas on TV can always find you via your modern GPS-enabled cellphone.  That's enough to trigger my paranoia.

every time i read this, i want to pluck out my eyeballs. it is NOT your gps receiver that enables anyone to track you via a phone. it is a RECEIVER. it doesn't transmit anything. the cops can't track you by the standalone gps you have in your car...or pocket.

anyone tracking you (live) is doing so by triangulating your cell service. if you don't want anyone knowing where you are, turn your phone to airplane mode (or turn it off), except for when you want to make a call. of course, you won't be able to GET any calls/texts/email/facebook updates in that event. unless you are on wifi..which opens a whole other can of worms.

Looknsee Photography wrote:
But on top of that, there are all sorts of devices & apps & spyware & so forth that track your Internet activities.  They say it is for your own benefit, so that they can target ads that might interest you to you.  Heck, how do you think Facebook and all other social media sites make money?

So, yes, perhaps the Amazon phone is spying on you, but I don't believe what Amazon is doing is any different than what's already been going on.

exactly. i wonder how many people claiming to hate this have a facebook page. people freely give out way more information than any entity takes from them.

do folks actually think that google, facebook, etc make money by just giving shit away?

Jun 19 14 03:32 pm Link

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Michael Bots

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Kingston, Ontario, Canada

Cell Phones transmit regularly - how else would the network know you are in Boston and not Bali.

Actual GPS data from a phone can be remote accessed (via the provider) even without having an APP installed on that phone. (Just like your webcam can be remote accessed by hackers)

The NSA’s Best Tool for Snooping: You Carry It in Your Pocket Every Day
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense … ement.html

"FBI tactic was revealed in April in which Verizon allegedly reprogrammed a customer’s air card so it would accept phone calls and allow the FBI to track its location. (The target was Daniel David Rigmaiden, accused of leading a $4 million tax fraud operation.) In both FBI cases, the tactics were revealed through court documents,"


Phone Tracker - Find Any Cell Phones Location Only Using The Number
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm5NcfPKdSI

RemoteTracker
http://remotetracker.sourceforge.net/

Track Any Cell Phone's GPS Location at Any Time, From Anywhere!   (app)
http://www.stealthgenie.com/cell-phone- … tware.html

How to GPS Track a Cell Phone
http://www.wikihow.com/GPS-Track-a-Cell-Phone

Cell Phone Location Tracking Public Records Request
https://www.aclu.org/protecting-civil-l … ds-request
"For example, police in Lincoln, Neb. obtain even GPS location data, which is more precise than cell tower location information, on telephones without demonstrating probable cause."

Internal Police Emails Show Efforts to Hide Use of Cell Phone Tracking   (cell tower spoofing)
https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-secu … e-use-cell

Jun 20 14 12:59 am Link