Forums > Off-Topic Discussion > I tried Canon, would a Nikon have worked better?

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Schlake

Posts: 2935

Socorro, New Mexico, US

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-xTJXSXzQk98/U72gDIaywKI/AAAAAAAAlKk/D8c59tsb7to/s640/2014-07-09-ea0v8529.jpg

It was fine when the flash head was low (like in the picture), but once I extended it up to about 6' tall the wind blew it over and broke my favorite small umbrella.

Is the Nikon 300mm f/2.8 heavier enough to make this work?  Or should I have just used my Canon 600mm f/4 instead?

Jul 09 14 01:09 pm Link

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American Glamour

Posts: 38813

Detroit, Michigan, US

Maybe you should have just used a proper cannon.  A Howitzer would probably have been heavier.

Jul 09 14 01:16 pm Link

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John H Read Photography

Posts: 63

Red Deer, Alberta, Canada

Here's a thought invest into some beanbags for the legs, my wife made me a set of 10 of them 6inch wide by 12inch long perfect for keeping light stands upright

Jul 09 14 01:22 pm Link

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FIFTYONE PHOTOGRAPHY

Posts: 6597

Uniontown, Pennsylvania, US

lol

ankle weights

Jul 09 14 01:25 pm Link

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Loki Studio

Posts: 3523

Royal Oak, Michigan, US

Umbrellas are a terrible choice to use outside even with sand bags.  Softboxes, Beauty dishes with diffusers, or umbrellas with diffusers are a far more wind resistant and a better choice.

Jul 09 14 01:48 pm Link

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Schlake

Posts: 2935

Socorro, New Mexico, US

GPS Studio Services wrote:
Maybe you should have just used a proper cannon.  A Howitzer would probably have been heavier.

This cannon is much heavier, I can't even budge it.  Really hampers the mobility of a shoot...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-xhrZvTeTWLQ/U72slBzyj8I/AAAAAAAAlK0/J2aANmP-WuY/s640/2014-07-09-ea0v8864.jpg

But that umbrella was rock solid, and I was able to lock it in by adjusting the legs and didn't need any gaffer tape or twine!

Jul 09 14 01:58 pm Link

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Schlake

Posts: 2935

Socorro, New Mexico, US

Fifty One Imaging wrote:
lol

ankle weights

I need those for my ankles though, otherwise holding the heavy camera to my face might cause me to flip over!

Jul 09 14 02:02 pm Link

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GeorgeMann

Posts: 1148

Orange, California, US

Schlake wrote:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-xTJXSXzQk98/U72gDIaywKI/AAAAAAAAlKk/D8c59tsb7to/s640/2014-07-09-ea0v8529.jpg

It was fine when the flash head was low (like in the picture), but once I extended it up to about 6' tall the wind blew it over and broke my favorite small umbrella.

Is the Nikon 300mm f/2.8 heavier enough to make this work?  Or should I have just used my Canon 600mm f/4 instead?

Rotate the tripod so the front leg acts as a support against the wind. the way you have it the umbrella catches the wind and is off balance instantly.

Jul 09 14 02:52 pm Link

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Augustine

Posts: 1153

Los Angeles, California, US

Schlake wrote:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-xTJXSXzQk98/U72gDIaywKI/AAAAAAAAlKk/D8c59tsb7to/s640/2014-07-09-ea0v8529.jpg

Don't those things flash? How did you get it to stay lit like that?

Jul 09 14 06:28 pm Link

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joeyk

Posts: 14895

Seminole, Florida, US

I think you'll find for most things photographic, the Canon works better.

But, you may have found the one thing a Nikon is better suited for, dead weight or boat anchor. tongue

Jul 09 14 08:17 pm Link

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Bob Helm Photography

Posts: 18907

Cherry Hill, New Jersey, US

Schlake wrote:

This cannon is much heavier, I can't even budge it.  Really hampers the mobility of a shoot...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-xhrZvTeTWLQ/U72slBzyj8I/AAAAAAAAlK0/J2aANmP-WuY/s640/2014-07-09-ea0v8864.jpg

But that umbrella was rock solid, and I was able to lock it in by adjusting the legs and didn't need any gaffer tape or twine!

But it is great for security in bad neighborhoods...or with dealing with escorts.

Jul 09 14 08:45 pm Link

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Shadow Dancer

Posts: 9777

Bellingham, Washington, US

With that umbrella sideways like that the rain is going to get your flash wet.

Jul 09 14 09:02 pm Link

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Schlake

Posts: 2935

Socorro, New Mexico, US

Shadow Dancer wrote:
With that umbrella sideways like that the rain is going to get your flash wet.

We measure rain in feet here.  After it rains, you measure the distance between drops on the ground to determine the amount of rain that fell.  So even if it did rain, the likelyhood that one of the drops might actually hit the flash is minimal.

Jul 09 14 09:15 pm Link

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Schlake

Posts: 2935

Socorro, New Mexico, US

3068875 wrote:

Don't those things flash? How did you get it to stay lit like that?

It's on a radio trigger tied to my camera.

Jul 09 14 09:16 pm Link

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Robb Mann

Posts: 12327

Baltimore, Maryland, US

Try the Sigma 200-500 f2.8, or whatever that monster lens is. It requires a sherpa for transport.

Jul 10 14 02:52 am Link

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Shadow Dancer

Posts: 9777

Bellingham, Washington, US

Robb Mann wrote:
Try the Sigma 200-500 f2.8, or whatever that monster lens is. It requires a sherpa for transport.

The "Bigma"!!!

Or just a nearby rock.

Jul 10 14 06:48 am Link

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Managing Light

Posts: 2678

Salem, Virginia, US

Robb Mann wrote:
Try the Sigma 200-500 f2.8, or whatever that monster lens is. It requires a sherpa for transport.

Robb is on to something here: you can use the sherpa to brace the stand.  And if you get one of the windstorms that are running around out there you can shoot the sherpa doing a Mary Poppins.  No matter what, you win!

Jul 10 14 08:50 am Link

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Schlake

Posts: 2935

Socorro, New Mexico, US

Managing Light wrote:

Robb is on to something here: you can use the sherpa to brace the stand.  And if you get one of the windstorms that are running around out there you can shoot the sherpa doing a Mary Poppins.  No matter what, you win!

When you say "sherpa" you mean "escort" right?

Jul 10 14 09:00 am Link

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FIFTYONE PHOTOGRAPHY

Posts: 6597

Uniontown, Pennsylvania, US

Schlake wrote:

This cannon is much heavier, I can't even budge it.  Really hampers the mobility of a shoot...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-xhrZvTeTWLQ/U72slBzyj8I/AAAAAAAAlK0/J2aANmP-WuY/s640/2014-07-09-ea0v8864.jpg

But that umbrella was rock solid, and I was able to lock it in by adjusting the legs and didn't need any gaffer tape or twine!

Wheels

https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/18692105mmhm2a1.jpg

problem solved.

Jul 10 14 09:05 am Link

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Lightcraft Studio

Posts: 13682

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

You should try the Canon 5200 mm lens!

https://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2010/01/5200mmcanonebay.jpg

Jul 10 14 09:26 am Link

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Michael Bots

Posts: 8020

Kingston, Ontario, Canada

Use a --

Spiral Dog Stake
http://www.amazon.com/Spiral-Dog-Stake/dp/B008MC1TBC/

to anchor the stand.

Up to hundreds of pounds to actually pull one out of the ground.

Jul 10 14 10:41 am Link

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Managing Light

Posts: 2678

Salem, Virginia, US

Managing Light wrote:
Robb is on to something here: you can use the sherpa to brace the stand.  And if you get one of the windstorms that are running around out there you can shoot the sherpa doing a Mary Poppins.  No matter what, you win!

Schlake wrote:
When you say "sherpa" you mean "escort" right?

You'll have to ask Robb - it was his idea.

Jul 10 14 11:54 am Link

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Schlake

Posts: 2935

Socorro, New Mexico, US

Michael Bots wrote:
Use a --

Spiral Dog Stake
http://www.amazon.com/Spiral-Dog-Stake/dp/B008MC1TBC/

to anchor the stand.

Up to hundreds of pounds to actually pull one out of the ground.

Interesting.  I have a system I use to keep the models from wandering off.  It takes over 100 pounds to pull it off the ground.  Maybe I could attach lights to it as well?

https://infohost.nmt.edu/~schlake/sphere/2013-09-08-7801.jpg

Jul 10 14 12:00 pm Link

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Schlake

Posts: 2935

Socorro, New Mexico, US

Today I used a full pelican case and a bungi cord to hold down the umbrella stand.  It worked well, until my stand was blocking the tiny scrap of a dirt road out in the middle of no where, and a truck came driving across the desert and turned onto the dirt road.  I moved the stand real quick, and forgot the weight.  Now my new umbrella is broken too.  No pictures of the debacle.

Jul 12 14 05:29 pm Link

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Herman Surkis

Posts: 10856

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

Schlake wrote:

This cannon is much heavier, I can't even budge it.  Really hampers the mobility of a shoot...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-xhrZvTeTWLQ/U72slBzyj8I/AAAAAAAAlK0/J2aANmP-WuY/s640/2014-07-09-ea0v8864.jpg

But that umbrella was rock solid, and I was able to lock it in by adjusting the legs and didn't need any gaffer tape or twine!

You had to go this far for people to get your tongue in cheek post. 
???

Jul 12 14 05:43 pm Link

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Schlake

Posts: 2935

Socorro, New Mexico, US

Herman Surkis wrote:

You had to go this far for people to get your tongue in cheek post. 
???

That's only about 1/2 a mile from my house!

But today, this post is decidedly annoyed in tone.  I never broke an umbrella using lights indoors.  I've tried outdoors twice, and broken an umbrella both times.

Jul 12 14 05:45 pm Link

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Herman Surkis

Posts: 10856

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

Michael Bots wrote:
Use a --

Spiral Dog Stake
http://www.amazon.com/Spiral-Dog-Stake/dp/B008MC1TBC/

to anchor the stand.

Up to hundreds of pounds to actually pull one out of the ground.

Found a use for all the left over ones from when I had dogs.

Thanks.

Jul 12 14 05:46 pm Link

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Herman Surkis

Posts: 10856

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

Schlake wrote:

That's only about 1/2 a mile from my house!

But today, this post is decidedly annoyed in tone.  I never broke an umbrella using lights indoors.  I've tried outdoors twice, and broken an umbrella both times.

Not going to get much wind indoors...I hope.

Seriously, it is why I borrow a friends beauty dish for outdoors. And why one of these days i might actually buy one.

86" PLM makes one hell of a nice parasail.

Jul 12 14 05:50 pm Link

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Nerdscarf

Posts: 172

Baltimore, Maryland, US

I use my U-lock, but I am toying around with the idea of just making myself some sandbags and filling them with rocks.

Jul 13 14 06:15 pm Link