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KL_Photography

Posts: 2

Los Angeles, California, US

I submitted images to an online magazine and received an email back stating that they have been chosen to be published on their website and social media sites but are charging me an admin fee of €35.99. Has anyone ever heard of this? I am don't have a lot of extensive knowledge when it comes to submitting and being published, but I had never heard of the magazine charging you to use your images...

Jul 23 14 10:53 am Link

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Kendra Paige

Posts: 145

Wellington, Florida, US

This has become a recent trend for several submission-based magazines. Superior, Dark Beauty, and Institute are among a few of those that charge for submissions.

Personally, I think the fact a publication is getting free, quality content speaks for itself. Paying their Admin fee is up to you based on the exposure you feel it may bring you.

Jul 23 14 12:45 pm Link

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Herman van Gestel

Posts: 2266

Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands

lol...you must be honoured to be granted to pay to be published big_smile :p....it's totally inverse world wink

the prey on the fact that photographers get an ego boost because they could stipulate that they're published...but seriously, this would not really count as a published photographer, would it now?



Herman
www.hermanvangestel.com

Jul 23 14 12:47 pm Link

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eybdoog

Posts: 2647

New York, New York, US

It is essentially pay to play. Nothing new to most creative industries technically. Heck, one can even contact Conde Nast and pay a rate to have their work included in any of their publications these days. There are several publications that do not charge yet, but it depends on if the reach is worth it to promote your work. If they have a substantial audience, it might be one thing, but what is your end game?  If it is to simply say that you have been "published", there are many free alternatives. However, if this audience is part of your market, you might want to consider what this would lead to if you play along with them.

Jul 23 14 12:55 pm Link

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eybdoog

Posts: 2647

New York, New York, US

btw, as Herman mentions, one could technically use a different name, submit completely different images, and get "accepted" to the pay to play deals. They are out to make profit, and they sadly don't care about much else.

Jul 23 14 12:57 pm Link

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Herman van Gestel

Posts: 2266

Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands

Charlie-CNP wrote:
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Heck, one can even contact Conde Nast and pay a rate to have their work included in any of their publications these days. There are several publications that do not charge yet, but it depends on if the reach is worth it to promote your work. If they have a substantial audience, it might be one thing, but what is your end game?  If it is to simply say that you have been "published", there are many free alternatives. However, if this audience is part of your market, you might want to consider what this would lead to if you play along with them.

if they would be thinking you would be good enough they would pay for it, or at the minimum without charge....so it's not for your quality, sorry to say...

I think you will be needing a lot of soul-searching on this..

Jul 23 14 01:02 pm Link

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Laura Elizabeth Photo

Posts: 2253

Rochester, New York, US

Kendra Paige wrote:
This has become a recent trend for several submission-based magazines. Superior, Dark Beauty, and Institute are among a few of those that charge for submissions.

Personally, I think the fact a publication is getting free, quality content speaks for itself. Paying their Admin fee is up to you based on the exposure you feel it may bring you.

Institute is by far the worst in my opinion, I love a lot of the work they post but they wanted $200 to share my series on their page, ridiculous.  I declined and got it published for free elsewhere.

Dark beauty is way more affordable at $5-$10 and I can at least understand how they want a bit of money for the online content, when I submitted before they had a payment thing it took them a nearly a year to review and post the image because of how much people send in, now if I pay them $5 for a instant review it only takes a couple of days.  Mostly it's great because every time they share my work I get around 100 likes on my page, I basically think of it as a way to advertise my work.

Paying to get published in a magazine or a site that isn't going to get you a lot of attention is worthless.  I know a local photographer that actually paid the $200 to get on Institute and it's done nothing for him and his work is no where near the caliber of the photographers they more regularly feature, really they just want your money.

Jul 23 14 01:08 pm Link

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Herman van Gestel

Posts: 2266

Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands

Laura Bello wrote:
... Mostly it's great because every time they share my work I get around 100 likes on my page, I basically think of it as a way to advertise my work.

sorry but isn't this a kind of make-believe that you're publication-worthy?..only when people start paying you to get publish, is the threshold..

Laura Bello wrote:
...really they just want your money.

yes, and what is the emotion they want to trigger on you  to make you pay?...right...

Herman
www.hermanvangestel.com

Jul 23 14 01:17 pm Link

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Voy

Posts: 1594

Phoenix, Arizona, US

There is a difference between being published and purchasing ad space in a magazine. If you pay $5, 10 or 35.99 what you are doing is basically purchasing an ad on their magazine. If you don't get paid, you are basically an idiot. You are supplying content for them to profit from without paying you a penny. Trust me, photo editors and art buyers know what publications are taking advantage of photographers. If you tell them you were published in one of those, they will think that you are an idiot. Don't embarrass yourself and don't degrade our industry by working for free.

Jul 23 14 05:49 pm Link

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Philipe

Posts: 5302

Pomona, California, US

I think its bullsh!t.
Screw those type of magazines..

They should be paying you..
Obviously they are not selling much and maybe they do not have much or do not have high paying advertisers.
Lame...

Jul 23 14 05:55 pm Link

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TaylorScott Photography

Posts: 729

Surprise, Arizona, US

If it was me, I would decline. Everyone is right. Why should you pay to be published when most magazine pay you to be published. Hell just being published for free is better than paying them to put your work into their magazine.
My $.02

Jul 23 14 11:48 pm Link

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Marin Photo NYC

Posts: 7348

New York, New York, US

If you are going to pay, pay for an advertisement, don't pay to submit where they put your name in tiny print.

Jul 23 14 11:55 pm Link

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Viator Defessus Photos

Posts: 1259

Houston, Texas, US

KL_Photography wrote:
I submitted images to an online magazine and received an email back stating that they have been chosen to be published on their website and social media sites but are charging me an admin fee of €35.99. Has anyone ever heard of this? I am don't have a lot of extensive knowledge when it comes to submitting and being published, but I had never heard of the magazine charging you to use your images...

Without knowing what magazine it's hard to say if there's any real value.

I'm starting to work on getting published but I'd never pay someone to publish my work. I started out small, submitting to a few small magazines to try for an ego boost. Now that I've gotten into some of those and continue to do so I'm aiming a little higher and I'm going to try to get in to some bigger mags. Once I get into those, I'll aim higher.

Jul 24 14 12:27 am Link

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KL_Photography

Posts: 2

Los Angeles, California, US

Thank you for all the comments and opinions!

After doing some more looking into the magazine, their following, etc. I feel there are probably better ways to spend my money and better ways to get my work noticed.

Jul 24 14 07:11 am Link

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Natalia_Taffarel

Posts: 7665

Buenos Aires, Buenos Aires, Argentina

Kendra Paige wrote:
This has become a recent trend for several submission-based magazines. Superior, Dark Beauty, and Institute are among a few of those that charge for submissions.

Personally, I think the fact a publication is getting free, quality content speaks for itself. Paying their Admin fee is up to you based on the exposure you feel it may bring you.

They get a bad rep
Good photographers don't want to be publish there anymore (because if they do people would assume they paid too)

Soon enough, they lose all credibility

Jul 24 14 09:14 pm Link

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Alabaster Crowley

Posts: 8283

Tucson, Arizona, US

€35.99? How much are they even selling the magazine for?

Jul 24 14 09:15 pm Link

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attila zsargo

Posts: 680

Shenzhen, Guangdong, China

KL_Photography wrote:
I submitted images to an online magazine and received an email back stating that they have been chosen to be published on their website and social media sites but are charging me an admin fee of €35.99. Has anyone ever heard of this? I am don't have a lot of extensive knowledge when it comes to submitting and being published, but I had never heard of the magazine charging you to use your images...

They have a good sense of humour, fools and their money easily parted. There are lots of desperate people out there itch to get published, it's a 21st century disease. Play along if you like to play their game.

Jul 24 14 10:20 pm Link

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Eyesso

Posts: 1218

Orlando, Florida, US

Well.....what magazine? 

I mean, I'd PAY to be published in some magazines that I admire, maybe that's foolish, but I'll part with my money.  Most other magazines I could care less to be published in.... I know how to use InDesign, I can be "published" whenever the heck I want.

Jul 25 14 04:15 pm Link

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Barry Kidd Photography

Posts: 3351

Red Lion, Pennsylvania, US

Not going to happen.  Nuff said.

Jul 25 14 06:40 pm Link

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WisconsinArt

Posts: 612

Nashotah, Wisconsin, US

There are tens of thousands of wannabes in virtually every type of media who are willing to pay to say they were published.

If the goal is to be a professional photographer, then don't pay the fee. I don't care if you sell one photograph every three years for 50 cents. "Professional Photographer" is an attitude and mindset more than anything else. It means you expect some type of payment for your time, investment, and expertise.

If you keep at it, you will find that it's very easy to get published. And it's extremely easy to get published if you're willing to work for free let alone paying to be published.

Pay the fee and you're just another wannabe amateur.

Jul 25 14 08:09 pm Link

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A-M-P

Posts: 18465

Orlando, Florida, US

Eyesso wrote:
Well.....what magazine? 

I mean, I'd PAY to be published in some magazines that I admire, maybe that's foolish, but I'll part with my money.  Most other magazines I could care less to be published in.... I know how to use InDesign, I can be "published" whenever the heck I want.

Lets make a fake magazine and get published too tongue

Jul 25 14 08:20 pm Link

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GER Photography

Posts: 8463

Imperial, California, US

Tell them to bugger off!! You recind the offer of publishing rights. Or send them a bill for €50 and pay their fee out of that.

Jul 25 14 08:37 pm Link

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Camerosity

Posts: 5805

Saint Louis, Missouri, US

Vanity publishing (which has existed in book publishing for decades) has finally made it to magazines and emagazines.

I've seen a few of these before, where the model pays for publication. The ones that come to mind are pinup magazines. I've also seen a couple where the photographer pays for publication. Don't recall which ones they were.

Personally I wouldn't be interested. Paying to get published is about as real as paying to be named an honorary astronaut.

Jul 25 14 11:22 pm Link

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HV images

Posts: 634

Belfast, Northern Ireland, United Kingdom

GER Photography wrote:
Tell them to bugger off!! You recind the offer of publishing rights. Or send them a bill for €50 and pay their fee out of that.

I like that smile

Send them a bill for usage of your image and tell them to deduct their fee from it smile

F*****g chancers

Jul 25 14 11:43 pm Link

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E H

Posts: 847

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

me voy wrote:
There is a difference between being published and purchasing ad space in a magazine. If you pay $5, 10 or 35.99 what you are doing is basically purchasing an ad on their magazine. If you don't get paid, you are basically an idiot. You are supplying content for them to profit from without paying you a penny. Trust me, photo editors and art buyers know what publications are taking advantage of photographers. If you tell them you were published in one of those, they will think that you are an idiot. Don't embarrass yourself and don't degrade our industry by working for free.

100% ^^^ You will lose more then the 35.99 because all your time and effort will be worth $0.oo(SO YOU ARE SAYING YOUR WORK IS WORTHLESS),,  but they will make your 35.99 PLUS use your content to get x amount more people subscribing. Nothing like making of the back of someone elses work that you don't have to pay a dime for,,, OR better yet, make them pay you, so you can use their product to make you money,, AND YOU NEVER HAVE TO PAY THEM, THEY ALWAYS PAY YOU...
  Everyone wins,, EXCEPT you, perfect if your not you.

Jul 26 14 12:59 am Link

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Laura Elizabeth Photo

Posts: 2253

Rochester, New York, US

Herman van Gestel wrote:
sorry but isn't this a kind of make-believe that you're publication-worthy?..only when people start paying you to get publish, is the threshold..


yes, and what is the emotion they want to trigger on you  to make you pay?...right...

Herman
www.hermanvangestel.com

I don't count getting shared on their page as a publication, like I said it's like an online way to promote my work, like paying to post an ad on FB.  I just say I've been featured on their website which stands because they don't accept all images and I've been featured there long before you had to pay anything anyways (ps the payment is to have the image viewed quicker so you don't have to wait a year to see if they're accepted or not).

It's very dependent on the place that's 'publishing', my work, and the price. If you're not getting anything out of it then it's not worth it and 99% of the time for the cost of submission it's not.  Like with institute, the $200 could be better spent elsewhere.  That's just my opinion of what I'll personally put up with.

Chill out with the judgment.

Jul 26 14 05:47 am Link

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Evenfall Photography

Posts: 308

Menifee, California, US

Philipe wrote:
I think its bullsh!t.
Screw those type of magazines..

They should be paying you..
Obviously they are not selling much and maybe they do not have much or do not have high paying advertisers.
Lame...

I agree, they could potentially be making a ton of money before the magazine even gets printed. A nice way to save their butts, but it doesn't do any good for the individuals who are featured.

Jul 26 14 05:40 pm Link