ST Retouch wrote:
With high end composite advertising work everything is top post production, special composite work with matte painting and CGI .
Magical colors are also post production.

There are no magical files straight from camera and almost any photographer with average knowledge of photography can shoot file with 2 soft boxes over studio solid background  and to prepare that file for composite work.

2 soft boxes , tripod, ISO 100, f8 or f9 , 1/125or 1/160  , white or gray solid background  and just press the button.
The only difference later is which top retouchers or retouching agencies work on files.

Behind all "these successful " photographers are top retouchers which are responsible for miracles, because they have budget  to pay top retouchers which make that level of photography.

It is the same and with film/video industry, all movies are over green screen studio background and later everything is post production and video composite work with matte painting and amazing colors.

Best
ST

Finally someone (even though a retoucher) who speaks the truth in a sea of liars and braggers.

BillyVegas wrote:

Finally someone (even though a retoucher) who speaks the truth in a sea of liars and braggers.

Talk about confirmation bias!!

Natalia_Taffarel wrote:
Talk about confirmation bias!!

Talk about blind bias. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

BillyVegas wrote:

Finally someone (even though a retoucher) who speaks the truth in a sea of liars and braggers.

when someone makes a statement like this, i check out their work, in order to find out from which "authority" one speaks, where it's coming from, i refer it to: information-value....

disappointingly, not in evidence.....

Herman
www.hermanvangestel.com

Herman van Gestel wrote:
when someone makes a statement like this, i check out their work, in order to find out from which "authority" one speaks, where it's coming from, i refer it to: information-value....

disappointingly, not in evidence.....

Herman
www.hermanvangestel.com

+1

For Lavazza by recuenco




No green screens or composite


And as long as we talk about video



Also Recuenco for Loewe
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G0vwTOqFm5s



But I guess we are still with the strong motto:

if I can't do it it means it can't be done

Natalia_Taffarel wrote:

+1

For Lavazza by recuenco




No green screens or composite


And as long as we talk about video



Also Recuenco for Loewe
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G0vwTOqFm5s



But I guess we are still with the strong motto:

if I can't do it it means it can't be done

I think you can not see  where is composite or not, you are not experienced enough for that because you don't work that level of advertising composite retouching work with photos or video , so you can not see where and when things are changed in composite work or sometimes on parts of images or video, like floor or similar.
Recuenco is great artist , and his work if full of composite work .

Video is nice with great  post production and visual effects, this is not "straight from camera video".

That's what I wanted to say with my posts, there is no top advertising images or videos straight from the camera, post production is what makes miracles.
You can speak all the time about that on forum , but reality is different.

If you don't know how things work here is making of video od Recuenco campaign
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5n1yr … i_creation

As you can see tons of chroma key  and composite work and that's how real advertising industry works.
Also you can see and these links to understand better some things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU3TW0285d8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imPwJ_AsVk8

In advertising world ( images or video) the most important thing is Location (beside model , very often location is more important thing then model, because  location makes that "wow factor") , and location you build  with matte painting with elements from real photography or CGI work or both mixed,  and later you make  scenery with model in composite work.

And , by the way , image retouching is a "baby game" if I compare with video composite work where you work with frames, motion and camera tracking with matte painting.


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ST

ST Retouch wrote:

I think you can not see  where is composite or not, you are not experienced enough for that because you don't work that level of advertising composite retouching work with photos or video , so you can not see where and when things are changed in composite work or sometimes on parts of images or video, like floor or similar.
Recuenco is great artist , and his work if full of composite work .

Video is nice with great  post production and visual effects, this is not "straight from camera video".

That's what I wanted to say with my posts, there is no top advertising images or videos straight from the camera, post production is what makes miracles.
You can speak all the time about that on forum , but reality is different.

If you don't know how things work here is making of video od Recuenco campaign
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5n1yr … i_creation

As you can see tons of chroma key  and composite work and that's how real advertising industry works.
Also you can see and these links to understand better some things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU3TW0285d8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imPwJ_AsVk8

In advertising world ( images or video) the most important thing is Location (beside model , very often location is more important thing then model, because  location makes that "wow factor") , and location you build  with matte painting with elements from real photography or CGI work or both mixed,  and later you make  scenery with model in composite work.

And , by the way , image retouching is a "baby game" if I compare with video composite work where you work with frames, motion and camera tracking with matte painting.


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ST

You are full of shit.

In both the image AND the video I posted there's no chroma

Or composite.

There's a backstage for the Lavazza, Don Quijote image.
I can't spot it right?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RGYy6rIOMzs

Maybe I can't spot it because ITS NOT THERE

ST Retouch wrote:
And , by the way , image retouching is a "baby game" if I compare with video composite work where you work with frames, motion and camera tracking with matte painting.

Really? Because I often get commissions for high end beauty work from people who do just that. Friends and professional connections - they tell me: we can't do that

ST Retouch wrote:
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post production is what makes miracles...
And , by the way , image retouching is a "baby game" if I compare with video composite work where you work with frames, motion and camera tracking with matte painting...

To think that post production is everything... Well good luck. I hope you'll be living in a good world. Your views is so wrong I don't know where to start to try and correct them. It's in your hands now.

You can't divide things in a good production. Everything's is a part of everything. And without just one part there's nothing.

There's no retouching or compositing without shots from camera. It's not healthy to make such an accentuation on composits.

Natalia_Taffarel wrote:

ST Retouch wrote:
And , by the way , image retouching is a "baby game" if I compare with video composite work where you work with frames, motion and camera tracking with matte painting.

Really? Because I often get commissions for high end beauty work from people who do just that. Friends and professional connections - they tell me: we can't do that

Natalia , I am not full of shit I know exactly what I am speaking about, just when you don't have answer you tell people that they are full of shit.
You don't work that complex level of job so you don't know how things work in real industry and you speak things from your point of view which has nothing to do with reality.

I speak globally about advertising work , not about that video, very rare you will find video or image straight from the camera , that's the point .

Instead of calling  people full of shit like you always do ,Go to Youtube and Vimeo you will find a lot of making of advertising  videos and movies  with breakdowns and showreel, to understand better the power of post production work  and how important is post production in advertising video or movies.
You will learn something new  and you will stop calling people full of shit.

And after watching these videos including links which I posted , if you still think that painting of pixels with soft light blending mode on single image is something special I really don't know what to say .
Video composite is so complex and you can not understand that until you try to learn and to see how it works, when you work composite in 3D with moving images,frames, fly away hair and cameras with 3d camera tracking, Mocha tracking , 3d realistic shadows and other complex things.
In some cases you spend more then 2 weeks   of hard and very skilled and complex work  for just one video clip of 7-10 seconds with composite work and visual effects, matte painting  and rotoscoping if is necessary.

But you know that painting pixels on single image is more complex then what I described , isn't it:)?

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ST

BillyVegas wrote:
Finally someone (even though a retoucher) who speaks the truth in a sea of liars and braggers.

It's a longer version (and probably more understandable) of what Tulack said in the third post in this thread.

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:

It's a longer version (and probably more understandable) of what Tulack said in the third post in this thread.

You forgot equally inacurate

Natalia_Taffarel wrote:
You forgot equally inacurate

Maybe as it turns out, but what Tulack actually said is this:

She's a photographer, not a fact she retouching her images. Could be different retoucher for every image.
retoucher can make a big difference.

Which I interpret as:

She is a photographer, but I don't know for a certainty that she is her own retoucher. There could be a different retoucher on every image she makes [among those that use retouching], and a lot of the look comes from the retoucher.

A-M-P wrote:
... she looks like she is covered in shit...

Finally! Someone said that! I'm glad there's other ppl sharing the point of view similar to mine.

Steven Burnette Retouch wrote:
Great Photography + Great Retouching = Quality final image
Bad Photography + Great Retouching = Nicely balanced and shiny image of Poop

You can't be more right.
There's the third component. Yeah it exists. Bad photography  + Bad retouchig = A big giant pile of poopies.

WIP wrote:
Chen Man has full control from the image/photography to retouch... meaning she can plan shots all the way through.

I agree Chris , without a doubt she has very nice work and full control from shoot up to retouching.
On that way she as a photographer can plan shots and make later more powerful image in post.
And this is very important thing , when you know in advance what you can do with files in retouching.

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ST

Natalia_Taffarel wrote:
There's a backstage for the Lavazza, Don Quijote image.
I can't spot it right?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RGYy6rIOMzs

Maybe I can't spot it because ITS NOT THERE

Even the behind the scenes video is color graded. Lol.

Like I said in another thread.  Top work is either retouching or production value.  Usually both or a balance. This has a high production value.  Not everyone shoots with the Hasselblad he is using for example.

Herman van Gestel wrote:
when someone makes a statement like this, i check out their work, in order to find out from which "authority" one speaks, where it's coming from, i refer it to: information-value....

disappointingly, not in evidence.....

I made a statement that didn't personally attack anyone.  My only personal comment was a compliment about an opinion.  Don't criticize my work outside of the critique forum.  Besides, whatever you may think, I started photography less than a year ago and have been improving.

BillyVegas wrote:

Natalia_Taffarel wrote:
There's a backstage for the Lavazza, Don Quijote image.
I can't spot it right?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RGYy6rIOMzs

Maybe I can't spot it because ITS NOT THERE

Even the behind the scenes video is color graded. Lol.

Like I said in another thread.  Top work is either retouching or production value.  Usually both or a balance. This has a high production value.  Not everyone shoots with the Hasselblad he is using for example.



I made a statement that didn't personally attack anyone.  My only personal comment was a compliment about an opinion.  Don't criticize my work outside of the critique forum.  Besides, whatever you may think, I started photography less than a year ago and have been improving.

Why did you think i put it this neutral! it doesn't say any negative about it.....So,.i'm not criticising your port, i just can't find where this comment is coming from, from which authority..and now even less, if you started photography less than a year ago...how to you come to this trove of wisdom...it doesn't show...

Your suggestion gives me the impression you get only bland-looking images from your camera-LCD. My suggestion, try to get  outstanding images without retouching or re- colouring, in cam, it is possible.

The quality should be in your photographic skills to start with...it works much easier that way , for everybody involved. It makes you a better photographer.

Herman van Gestel wrote:
"how is the post-production done in this photograph...|"

You see how her face is broken? There's no more natural light there. It's overdone D&B with overlays. And whatever you wanna use to achieve that color scheme.  There's nothing subtle about it. It's plain blunt in retouching as well as in photography. What's behind it? Why is she naked? Dirty? Mouth opened? Why that expression? It's an empty shell.

Main question is not how that's done, or this done. But what you wanna do? If you know what you'd like to do you'll find a way.

GrishaSevel wrote:
It's plain blunt in retouching as well as in photography. What's behind it? Why is she naked? Dirty? Mouth opened? Why that expression? It's an empty shell.

We disagree.