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Photographer

ImOutOfHere

Posts: 2227

New York, New York, US

Hi there,
I'm a photographer but I retouch my own pictures.  I am trying to learn how to:

Scenario 1: Get rid of strands of hair on someone's forehead.  Now I don't mean a couple of strands, I mean a lot of them.  Enough that I can't really take a sample from the skin next to it in order to fix it.

Scenario 2:  Let's say I want to retouch the bits of skin i see through the messy hair strands, how would i do that without picking up the craziness around it?

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I do frequency separation.  If there is a video on how to do this let me know.  I haven't been able to find one.  Most of the videos I've come across deal with a little bit of hair which is easy to fix.

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Here is an example.  The hair strands don't bother me in this one but the skin behind it does:

https://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y508/YajhilAlvarez/IMG_8356-Edit_zps71980233.jpg

Jul 28 14 10:46 am Link

Retoucher

a k mac

Posts: 476

London, England, United Kingdom

I think for this particular example, if you want to reduce the horizontal skin creases and leave the hairs intact, it would probably be best to do a frequency separation and then Dodge & Burn on a layer above the Low Frequency layer (i.e. between the High and Low layers) The trick is to select the right radius so that you send all the fine hair detail to the high frequency layer, but keep the broader skin texture in the low frequency layer.

Jul 28 14 12:30 pm Link

Retoucher

Adriano De Sena

Posts: 305

London, England, United Kingdom

AKMac wrote:
I think for this particular example, if you want to reduce the horizontal skin creases and leave the hairs intact, it would probably be best to do a frequency separation and then Dodge & Burn on a layer above the Low Frequency layer (i.e. between the High and Low layers) The trick is to select the right radius so that you send all the fine hair detail to the high frequency layer, but keep the broader skin texture in the low frequency layer.

I don't get it. Why do you need frequency separation to do that?
just asking

Jul 28 14 02:15 pm Link

Photographer

Tulack

Posts: 836

Albuquerque, New Mexico, US

Or separate on 3 freq. Leave hair on high form on low, and your skin in mid.

Jul 28 14 02:17 pm Link

Photographer

ImOutOfHere

Posts: 2227

New York, New York, US

That all is more advanced than what I know.  What I do is create a high and a low, use gaussian blur on the low then apply image, subtract, low, 2 and 128 for high.  So that's the two separate things I know about.  Maybe I need to watch more videos.  I'm a bit lost now lol.  The videos I've watched have only done 1 low and 1 high, nothing more.  If any of you know of a link where the technique is more complicated please point me in that direction.

Jul 28 14 02:56 pm Link

Photographer

Tulack

Posts: 836

Albuquerque, New Mexico, US

Yajhil Alvarez wrote:
, use gaussian blur

Use surface blur or median, or dust and scratches if you want to separate. It would help you with sharp edges. Or just d&b without separation. Or convert your RAW normally.

Jul 28 14 06:42 pm Link

Photographer

NothingIsRealButTheGirl

Posts: 35726

Los Angeles, California, US

Decouple the horizontal from the vertical frequencies.

Jul 28 14 07:02 pm Link

Retoucher

201retarded

Posts: 74

Hoboken, New Jersey, US

Just jump the layer and use d&b tool at about 10% right on the layer then correct the color if need be.

Jul 28 14 07:02 pm Link

Photographer

ImOutOfHere

Posts: 2227

New York, New York, US

Thanks everyone.  I did the dodge and burn thing and it does look better.  Now what if I wanted to remove a bunch of those hair strands?  I'm not going to for this image because I don't mind it but what if I did?

Jul 28 14 07:33 pm Link

Photographer

Tulack

Posts: 836

Albuquerque, New Mexico, US

bunch is just multiple of one.

Jul 28 14 11:20 pm Link

Retoucher

a k mac

Posts: 476

London, England, United Kingdom

Christian Bela wrote:

I don't get it. Why do you need frequency separation to do that?
just asking

You're right - you don't need FS for this - but the OP mentioned it so I suggested an approach which used it.

Jul 29 14 12:44 am Link

Retoucher

GrishaSevel

Posts: 42

Moscow, Moscow, Russia

Yajhil Alvarez wrote:
Thanks everyone.  I did the dodge and burn thing and it does look better.  Now what if I wanted to remove a bunch of those hair strands?  I'm not going to for this image because I don't mind it but what if I did?

It would have been hell. In that scenario you could use clone stamp to make hairs softer. Or something else to do so and then using D&B make them disappear. Or kill them with just a clone stamp. It needs to be as small as hair.

Or use a faster one freq. sep. and get obvious results. If you want good results there aren't a fast way to do quality work. As a photographer try to remove hairs before and at the time of shooting.

Jul 29 14 01:52 am Link