Forums > General Industry > Interesting Craigslist Scam via Paypal

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David Stone Imaging

Posts: 1032

Seattle, Washington, US

I recently advertised an expensive lens for sale on Craigslist.  A buyer said they wanted to buy my lens via paypal...and to send them an invoice so they could pay me.  Well...I advertised local sale only, exchange in a public place in daylight, and cash only.  But I decided to go along with this potential buyer...that didn't even want to inspect the lens.

Well...after sending the invoice...they sent me a [fake] Paypal notice that said the money will be credited to my account "when the item has been shipped."  (I've done a lot through Paypal in some significant amounts, and this ain't how it works.)

I waited...and then they asked where their delivery confirmation from me was...lol.  I told them when the money hit my account, I would send the lens.  Haven't heard from them since them.  But others have contacted me using the same scam after that.

I told a friend about it in passing conversation...and they said they lost $5000 on the same scam...and refused to talk about it any more.  I didn't want to ask how it was they would fall for something like this?

Aug 01 14 12:04 am Link

Photographer

SayCheeZ!

Posts: 20621

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

David Stone Imaging wrote:
I told a friend about it in passing conversation...and they said they lost $5000 on the same scam...and refused to talk about it any more.  I didn't want to ask how it was they would fall for something like this?

Despite many, many, many warnings by PayPal, Craigslist, MM, and other entities regarding these types of scams, MANY people still fall for it.

Sometimes it's naivety, sometimes it's greed.  Sometimes it's an ego thing (where the victim want's to show that they're a "know it all" and just refuses to accept the warnings). 

I often feel bad for the naive people, not so much when it's a 'know it all' or greedy pig.
(On several occasions I've seen people in a bank with a fake check from a Nigerian scam.  After a bank officer tells them it's a scam the greedy victim will put his mind to work trying to figure out any way to get it cashed.  They'll ask the banker "what if I do this", or "what if I do that".  At that point the victim is no longer a victim but turns into a criminal themself.)

Aug 01 14 05:39 am Link

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TouchofEleganceStudios

Posts: 5480

Vallejo, California, US

Only one way PayPal works:

You log into your paypal account. Verify that funds have been deposited and by whom. End of subject.

NEVER expect a receipt from paypal as proof.

My son in law was sending me money once a month and I would get an email from paypal. I would go log into my pay pal account and verify it. Nothing to do with trusting my son in law. It is simply that there are so many scams out there.

For ANYONE out there who uses paypal if you do not log into your pay pal account and verify funds sent to you or that you sent then shame on you!

Aug 01 14 05:52 am Link

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MicMar Photography

Posts: 503

Tampa, Florida, US

I was selling a riding lawnmower recently and got a similar email from someone in the YUKON wanted to buy it and I ship it to them lol....UH NO!!! 3000 miles for a 12 year old lawnmower that's funny. All through Pay Pal

Aug 01 14 06:02 am Link

Model

Sandra Vixen

Posts: 1561

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

MicMar Photography wrote:
I was selling a riding lawnmower recently and got a similar email from someone in the YUKON wanted to buy it and I ship it to them lol....UH NO!!! 3000 miles for a 12 year old lawnmower that's funny. All through Pay Pal

Wow, that is weird, some poor scammer was desperately looking for a lawn mower?

Aug 02 14 03:35 pm Link

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American Glamour

Posts: 38813

Detroit, Michigan, US

I get a half dozen of those offers every time I list something.

Aug 02 14 03:50 pm Link

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Cherrystone

Posts: 37171

Columbus, Ohio, US

GPS Studio Services wrote:
I get a half dozen of those offers every time I list something.

THIS

Just got about 60-70 emails since yesterday. One was legit. Bah......

Aug 02 14 03:56 pm Link

Photographer

David Stone Imaging

Posts: 1032

Seattle, Washington, US

I ended up modifying my CL ad:

Serious inquiries only.  Cash only.  NO PAYPAL. Transaction to take place in public place during daylight hours. 

When contacted, I also asked for a commitment that if the lens was as advertised, they would accept and be prepared to pay the asking price.

The person I sold it to was just as cautious...and didn't want to be carrying the kind of money we were talking about.  We met at his bank during working hours.  Once he had checked me and the lens out, he went in and got the money.

Aug 08 14 01:30 pm Link

Model

Sandra Vixen

Posts: 1561

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Bank sounds like a pretty good place to make a trade.

But I was wondering, about the scammers, if they wanted to trick you into shipping it to them. They would have to give you a shipping address right? and I'm sure that address can be forwarded to the authorities?

Aug 09 14 02:11 pm Link

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MC Seoul Photography

Posts: 469

Seoul, Seoul, Korea (South)

Send a fake shipping confirmation, see what happens. Obviously they gave you an address right? Why not contact the police?

Aug 09 14 05:01 pm Link

Photographer

Schlake

Posts: 2935

Socorro, New Mexico, US

Typically the packages are shipped to an address that the scammer knows won't be home.  They just wait there to accept the package and depart.

Aug 09 14 05:47 pm Link

Photographer

Stephen Fletcher

Posts: 7501

Norman, Oklahoma, US

I wish I had saved it but I never could figure out why the guy needed:

My name and address
Date of Birth
Social Security Number
Bank Account Number
Drivers License Number
etc.

To send me an "Official Cashiers Check" to ship him a generator full of gas and oil.

Aug 09 14 06:50 pm Link

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David Stone Imaging

Posts: 1032

Seattle, Washington, US

Stephen Fletcher wrote:
I wish I had saved it but I never could figure out why the guy needed:

My name and address
Date of Birth
Social Security Number
Bank Account Number
Drivers License Number
etc.

To send me an "Official Cashiers Check" to ship him a generator full of gas and oil.

I can't figure it out either.  smile

Aug 09 14 09:37 pm Link

Photographer

L O C U T U S

Posts: 1746

Bangor, Maine, US

GPS Studio Services wrote:
I get a half dozen of those offers every time I list something.

+1

Aug 10 14 07:41 am Link

Photographer

Stephen Fletcher

Posts: 7501

Norman, Oklahoma, US

I got a pay as you go cell phone to sell or buy or Craigslist or Armslist as I will not use my own cell phone on them again.  I will not respond to emails or text messages.  And people still try and scam me.

Aug 10 14 05:03 pm Link

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MC Seoul Photography

Posts: 469

Seoul, Seoul, Korea (South)

Schlake wrote:
Typically the packages are shipped to an address that the scammer knows won't be home.  They just wait there to accept the package and depart.

Even better the cops won't need to waste a lot of time, just have a cop dress up as a UPS driver and give the package to him and arrest him on the spot.

Aug 11 14 04:55 am Link

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Sandra Vixen

Posts: 1561

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

MC Seoul Photography wrote:

Even better the cops won't need to waste a lot of time, just have a cop dress up as a UPS driver and give the package to him and arrest him on the spot.

+1  Sweet! smile

Aug 11 14 02:27 pm Link

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MC Seoul Photography

Posts: 469

Seoul, Seoul, Korea (South)

Sandra Vixen wrote:

+1  Sweet! smile

It's a pretty easy thing. If they arrest him and he claims he doesn't know what's in the box, ask him what he was doing accepting a package at a residence that isn't his own. You either nail him on the scam or attempting to "steal" from the owners.

He's done either way.

Aug 12 14 09:44 pm Link

Photographer

Michael DBA Expressions

Posts: 3730

Lynchburg, Virginia, US

MicMar Photography wrote:
I was selling a riding lawnmower recently and got a similar email from someone in the YUKON wanted to buy it and I ship it to them lol....UH NO!!! 3000 miles for a 12 year old lawnmower that's funny. All through Pay Pal

Sandra Vixen wrote:
Wow, that is weird, some poor scammer was desperately looking for a lawn mower?

Heck yes. They make great snow blowers, provided the snow is less than 3 inches deep. Perfect for Alaska. You just have to "mow" your driveway every 15 minutes starting in September.

Aug 13 14 02:26 pm Link

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Thomas Van Dyke

Posts: 3233

Washington, District of Columbia, US

David Stone Imaging wrote:
...I recently advertised an expensive lens for sale...

Now possibly you may understand why retailers need a significant margin to remain viable in the marketplace...  As a competitor to that market segment unless you are savvy in the latest a.k.a current cons you're likely in harms way...

I'm a commercial shooter, not an equipment dealer to this end I've established an enduring commercial relationship for several entities who broker photo equipment... They found me through my affiliation with ASMP and have proven to be an asset by providing far more reasonable recompense than major brokers such as B&H, Adorama, KEH and the like...

Those who shoot commercially typically consider becoming affiliated with a professional i.e. commercial photographer's organization... Keep in mind that the majority of your revenues must come from photography... 

All the best on your journey...

Thomas

Aug 13 14 02:51 pm Link

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BeautybyGod

Posts: 3078

Los Angeles, California, US

MC Seoul Photography wrote:
Even better the cops won't need to waste a lot of time, just have a cop dress up as a UPS driver and give the package to him and arrest him on the spot.

MC Seoul Photography wrote:
It's a pretty easy thing. If they arrest him and he claims he doesn't know what's in the box, ask him what he was doing accepting a package at a residence that isn't his own. You either nail him on the scam or attempting to "steal" from the owners.

He's done either way.

i tried that once. the cops didn't want to be bothered.

somebody used my credit card to buy a gps thing from a merchant in NC. i caught it on my online account right after they made the purchase... after it was shipped, but before it got there. called the merchant they ordered it from. they weren't very helpful, even though i saved them a $300 loss. got a tracking number for UPS, though. UPS gave me the address where it was going. the bronx. i called the bronx police and they told me to call my local PD.

local police told me i had to wait a few days, or until i got my statement, to report it, and they couldn't do anything anyway. they all could have cared less.

Aug 13 14 03:07 pm Link

Photographer

Stephen Fletcher

Posts: 7501

Norman, Oklahoma, US

BeautybyGod wrote:

MC Seoul Photography wrote:
Even better the cops won't need to waste a lot of time, just have a cop dress up as a UPS driver and give the package to him and arrest him on the spot.

i tried that once. the cops didn't want to be bothered.

somebody used my credit card to buy a gps thing from a merchant in NC. i caught it on my online account right after they made the purchase... after it was shipped, but before it got there. called the merchant they ordered it from. they weren't very helpful, even though i saved them a $300 loss. got a tracking number for UPS, though. UPS gave me the address where it was going. the bronx. i called the bronx police and they told me to call my local PD.

local police told me i had to wait a few days, or until i got my statement, to report it, and they couldn't do anything anyway. they all could have cared less.

I had a debit card stolen from my office desk drawer.  Called the police and told them where and when it was used.  All they had to do was check the security tapes at a convenience store for a photo of who used it but to my knowledge they never did.

Aug 13 14 07:23 pm Link