Forums > General Industry > Delhi gang rape theme fashion shoot.

Photographer

Virtual Studio

Posts: 6725

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Really - some things just shouldn't be used for a fashion shoot.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-28670663

What on earth could he have been thinking?

Should any topic or subject be fair game for the inspiration for a shoot?

Aug 06 14 04:15 pm Link

Photographer

Solas

Posts: 10390

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

I think it's a lame grab for exposure, probably feeding off the controversy and publicity it would create, however bad, his name is everywhere and so is the campaign.

I find it distasteful and disturbing and probably wouldn't want to associate with the photographer, though I wonder if the adage "any publicity is good publicity" will apply here.

Aug 06 14 04:22 pm Link

Model

IDiivil

Posts: 4615

Los Angeles, California, US

The photographer did express he didn't intend to reference the 2012 Delhi gang rape. I'm not sure how much that pardons him, however.

I too was put off by this photoshoot. I feel free speech grants him the right to express himself the way he wants, but man, knowing about the 2012 Delhi gang rape and then seeing this made my gut clench.

Just a sick feeling.

Aug 06 14 04:30 pm Link

Photographer

Motordrive Photography

Posts: 7087

Lodi, California, US

is this a new low to sell clothes?

Aug 06 14 04:36 pm Link

Photographer

ms-photo

Posts: 538

Portland, Oregon, US

I am only surprised that the photographer wasn't Terry Richardson.

Aug 07 14 12:52 am Link

Model

Elisa 1

Posts: 3344

Monmouth, Wales, United Kingdom

IDiivil wrote:
The photographer did express he didn't intend to reference the 2012 Delhi gang rape. I'm not sure how much that pardons him, however.

I too was put off by this photoshoot. I feel free speech grants him the right to express himself the way he wants, but man, knowing about the 2012 Delhi gang rape and then seeing this made my gut clench.

Just a sick feeling.

Like you I don't think it should be an off limits theme. But its not what you do, it's the way you do it.
This glamorizes rape. It also is fresh in the mind. And it's on a bus.  It's very poor taste.

So for example I think it would have been fine to recreate "Rape of the Sabine Women".

It's the same to me as doing a girl's with guns shoot. Nothing wrong with that, but do one with elements connected with say a recent high school gun massacre eg setting it at a high school location is going to make it in extremely bad taste.

Aug 07 14 03:45 am Link

Photographer

Lovely Day Media

Posts: 5885

Vineland, New Jersey, US

This is not a shoot I would personally do ... unless it had something to do with the victim(s) surviving and thriving or otherwise empowering people to stand up for their rights and against injustices in the world. I didn't click the link so I didn't read the article. I'm not familiar with the case that has been discussed. What I do know is there are enough rapes in the world without staging another one.

I don't think there should be anyone telling everyone they can't do this if they see fit (this kind of thing happens in movies sometimes, too) but it's not something I think people should do. It's just my opinion, though, so everyone is free to disagree on whatever level and whatever degree they/you like.

Aug 07 14 07:34 am Link

Photographer

Mortonovich

Posts: 6209

San Diego, California, US

In very poor taste.

Aug 07 14 11:08 am Link

Model

D A N I

Posts: 4627

Little Rock, Arkansas, US

It made you "feel" something. Good or bad, it caused a reaction

Aug 07 14 11:15 am Link

Photographer

GER Photography

Posts: 8463

Imperial, California, US

For what some people call "art" they should be banned from polite society for life!! Calling something art should not give one carte balnc to do anything their sick perverted mind can come up with.

Aug 07 14 11:28 am Link

Photographer

Lovely Day Media

Posts: 5885

Vineland, New Jersey, US

GER Photography wrote:
For what some people call "art" they should be banned from polite society for life!! Calling something art should not give one carte balnc to do anything their sick perverted mind can come up with.

Why does a person's mind have to be sick and/or perverted just because you don't agree with what they call art?

If some people had their way, taking any pictures at all wouldn't happen because each time you press the shutter button, you're shortening the subject's life a little bit.  It's "sick" to want to shorten someone's life.

In other cases, anyone who shows more skin than their eyelids is a sick something. As I said, I don't agree with the premise to these photos but I won't call them sick or perverted for doing it. They may have some perfectly valid reason for doing them ... even if that perfectly valid reason is only in their mind.

Aug 07 14 02:04 pm Link

Model

Alabaster Crowley

Posts: 8283

Tucson, Arizona, US

Danielle Reid wrote:
It made you "feel" something. Good or bad, it caused a reaction

Girls that actually get raped "feel" something. It causes a reaction.

Aug 07 14 02:06 pm Link

Model

D A N I

Posts: 4627

Little Rock, Arkansas, US

Alabaster Crowley wrote:

Girls that actually get raped "feel" something. It causes a reaction.

I'm sure they did

Aug 07 14 02:16 pm Link

Photographer

L o n d o n F o g

Posts: 7497

London, England, United Kingdom

I don't see what the big deal is, it's just a photoshoot for fucks sake! So many over sensitive people out there...!

Aug 07 14 02:24 pm Link

Model

Alabaster Crowley

Posts: 8283

Tucson, Arizona, US

Lovely Day Media wrote:
If some people had their way, taking any pictures at all wouldn't happen because each time you press the shutter button, you're shortening the subject's life a little bit.  It's "sick" to want to shorten someone's life.

What in the fuck are you talking about?

Aug 07 14 02:25 pm Link

Model

D A N I

Posts: 4627

Little Rock, Arkansas, US

London Fog wrote:
I don't see what the big deal is, it's just a photoshoot for fucks sake! So many over sensitive people out there...!

It's because it's a photo shoot based off of a sensitive topic and done in a glorified way

Aug 07 14 02:27 pm Link

Model

Alabaster Crowley

Posts: 8283

Tucson, Arizona, US

London Fog wrote:
I don't see what the big deal is, it's just a photoshoot for fucks sake! So many over sensitive people out there...!

That's easy for you to say with your male privilege.

Aug 07 14 02:35 pm Link

Photographer

Outoffocus

Posts: 631

Worcester, England, United Kingdom

You could do it. Dress the attackers as chimpanzees and have the model shoot them at point blank range. Then cut to a scene of them being ground into meat and fed to wild dogs. If you want to make a point, that is.

Aug 07 14 02:40 pm Link

Photographer

L o n d o n F o g

Posts: 7497

London, England, United Kingdom

Danielle Reid wrote:

It's because it's a photo shoot based off of a sensitive topic and done in a glorified way

What glorified way, one guy has his arm on her leg and around her ankle, the other has his around her upper arm and below her boob. There's nothing even remotely being suggested, in fact the whole thing looks like a bunch of stills from a 'bollywood music video'. 

Big fucking deal!

Aug 07 14 02:41 pm Link

Model

D A N I

Posts: 4627

Little Rock, Arkansas, US

London Fog wrote:

What glorified way, one guy has his arm on her leg and around her ankle, the other has his around her upper arm and below her boob. There's nothing even remotely being suggested, in fact the whole thing looks like a bunch of stills from a 'bollywood music video'. 

Big fucking deal!

I'm not disagreeing with you

Aug 07 14 02:42 pm Link

Photographer

Personality Imaging

Posts: 2100

Hoover, Alabama, US

Very poor taste, especially the mass transit.

Aug 07 14 02:53 pm Link

Photographer

Lovely Day Media

Posts: 5885

Vineland, New Jersey, US

Lovely Day Media wrote:
If some people had their way, taking any pictures at all wouldn't happen because each time you press the shutter button, you're shortening the subject's life a little bit.  It's "sick" to want to shorten someone's life.

Alabaster Crowley wrote:
What in the fuck are you talking about?

What I'm talking about is this: the person I quoted said something about someone's 'sick perverted mind' (not an exact quote, I know). I asked why a person's mind has to be sick and/or perverted just because they don't agree with the art they're trying to create.

Then comes the above quote ... some people are against picture taking totally. Someone told me their religion tells them that pictures of live things (including animals) is forbidden because it shortens a person's life.  I don't agree with them but I can't tell them what they should or shouldn't believe and why or why not.

In the same way, I can't tell a person what art they can or can't create and since no one died and made me moral police, I can't say if their mind is sick or perverted for creating it.  If someone could do this, it would seem most Quentin Tarantino movies wouldn't get made because most feature a whole bunch of stylized violence. If you've ever seen the original Kill Bill movie, you know what I'm talking about here.

That's what the f*** I'm talking about.

Aug 07 14 02:54 pm Link

Model

Alabaster Crowley

Posts: 8283

Tucson, Arizona, US

Lovely Day Media wrote:

Lovely Day Media wrote:
If some people had their way, taking any pictures at all wouldn't happen because each time you press the shutter button, you're shortening the subject's life a little bit.  It's "sick" to want to shorten someone's life.

What I'm talking about is this: the person I quoted said something about someone's 'sick perverted mind' (not an exact quote, I know). I asked why a person's mind has to be sick and/or perverted just because they don't agree with the art they're trying to create.

Then comes the above quote ... some people are against picture taking totally. Someone told me their religion tells them that pictures of live things (including animals) is forbidden because it shortens a person's life.  I don't agree with them but I can't tell them what they should or shouldn't believe and why or why not.

In the same way, I can't tell a person what art they can or can't create and since no one died and made me moral police, I can't say if their mind is sick or perverted for creating it.  If someone could do this, it would seem most Quentin Tarantino movies wouldn't get made because most feature a whole bunch of stylized violence. If you've ever seen the original Kill Bill movie, you know what I'm talking about here.

That's what the f*** I'm talking about.

That is an incredibly weak comparison.

Here you go:

https://apotential.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/there-was-an-attempt.jpg

Aug 07 14 02:59 pm Link

Photographer

L o n d o n F o g

Posts: 7497

London, England, United Kingdom

Lovely Day Media wrote:

Lovely Day Media wrote:
If some people had their way, taking any pictures at all wouldn't happen because each time you press the shutter button, you're shortening the subject's life a little bit.  It's "sick" to want to shorten someone's life.

What I'm talking about is this: the person I quoted said something about someone's 'sick perverted mind' (not an exact quote, I know). I asked why a person's mind has to be sick and/or perverted just because they don't agree with the art they're trying to create.

Then comes the above quote ... some people are against picture taking totally. Someone told me their religion tells them that pictures of live things (including animals) is forbidden because it shortens a person's life.  I don't agree with them but I can't tell them what they should or shouldn't believe and why or why not.

In the same way, I can't tell a person what art they can or can't create and since no one died and made me moral police, I can't say if their mind is sick or perverted for creating it.  If someone could do this, it would seem most Quentin Tarantino movies wouldn't get made because most feature a whole bunch of stylized violence. If you've ever seen the original Kill Bill movie, you know what I'm talking about here.

That's what the f*** I'm talking about.

I gotta agree with Alabaster here (for the 2nd time in a month!), I still don't know what the fuck you are talking about!

Aug 07 14 03:54 pm Link

Photographer

Lovely Day Media

Posts: 5885

Vineland, New Jersey, US

London Fog wrote:

I gotta agree with Alabaster here (for the 2nd time in a month!), I still don't know what the fuck you are talking about!

Okay ... I'll try one more time.

The person I quoted said the photographer who wanted to do the rape shoot has a sick and perverted mind. I asked that person why a photographer's mind has to be sick or perverted just because that person doesn't agree with what the concept.

The rest is details that can be left out for less confusion.

Aug 07 14 04:09 pm Link

Photographer

64318

Posts: 1638

San Anselmo, California, US

This subject can become most controversial.  First these photos in my opinion seem to have very little artistic value especially for a fashion shoot.  But scenes of rape have been depicted by great artists in the past.  e.g
   The Rape  of the Sabines   by Giovanni Bologna ((1583)  Marble statue
The Rape of the Sabines  Oil painting by Nicholas Poussin (1636)
The Rape of the Daughters of Leucippus Painting in a Munich museum by Peter Paul Rubens , oil on canvas (1616)

I personally abhor violence in any form.... but there are so many true art paintings by great artists depicting gore and many historical battle scenes that show the horrors of war that one has to admit that ART has to have freedom of expression.

Aug 07 14 05:35 pm Link

Model

Alabaster Crowley

Posts: 8283

Tucson, Arizona, US

Lovely Day Media wrote:
Okay ... I'll try one more time.

The person I quoted said the photographer who wanted to do the rape shoot has a sick and perverted mind. I asked that person why a photographer's mind has to be sick or perverted just because that person doesn't agree with what the concept.

The rest is details that can be left out for less confusion.

...Are you trolling or do you really not get how glamorizing rape is sick? I can't even believe I'm asking this.

Aug 07 14 05:42 pm Link

Model

Payton Hailey

Posts: 939

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Alabaster Crowley wrote:

...Are you trolling or do you really not get how glamorizing rape is sick? I can't even believe I'm asking this.

+10000

Aug 07 14 05:49 pm Link

Photographer

Laura Elizabeth Photo

Posts: 2253

Rochester, New York, US

Alabaster Crowley wrote:

That's easy for you to say with your male privilege.

I'm completely against glamorizing traumatic issues like this and think this was only done to cause controversy to get attention but I really hate when people throw around the term 'male privilege'.  It just reminds me of crazed tumblr SJW's who basically think all men are the devil and everything in life is easy for them.

Aug 07 14 07:20 pm Link

Photographer

J O H N A L L A N

Posts: 12221

Los Angeles, California, US

I think a sub-group of people spend way too much time and energy in the pursuit of inflicting their sense of how things should be, on others.

Aug 07 14 07:44 pm Link

Photographer

Marin Photo NYC

Posts: 7348

New York, New York, US

I don't find it shocking at all. In fact I find it shocking that people find it shocking at all. I would've thought we were all pretty much desensitized to violence by now. All violence in fact. Just watch the news on a regular basis.

Shocked? No not all.....It's sad that they would do something like this but I'm not at all surprised and seeing people in such an uproar...please stop kidding yourself. This shit happens everyday so stop being overly dramatic...............

Aug 07 14 08:06 pm Link

Model

Alabaster Crowley

Posts: 8283

Tucson, Arizona, US

Laura Bello wrote:

I'm completely against glamorizing traumatic issues like this and think this was only done to cause controversy to get attention but I really hate when people throw around the term 'male privilege'.  It just reminds me of crazed tumblr SJW's who basically think all men are the devil and everything in life is easy for them.

Truth's harsh.

Aug 07 14 08:19 pm Link

Photographer

Lovely Day Media

Posts: 5885

Vineland, New Jersey, US

Alabaster Crowley wrote:
...Are you trolling or do you really not get how glamorizing rape is sick? I can't even believe I'm asking this.

Neither.  I get how sick and in poor taste it is or I personally think it is but I'm not willing to tell a person they can't. It's their life, their camera, their concept, it's legal, it's not encroaching on anyone else's rights and no one is getting hurt or killed (hopefully).  Do I agree with the concept? Absolutely not!

I've already said there are some things I think are in poor taste and shouldn't be done. Since they "shouldn't be done", I don't do them. If other people do them, that's fine. I don't have to look or stare. Very little offends me. When I do find something I think is offensive, I stop looking at it.

Aug 07 14 08:21 pm Link

Model

D A N I

Posts: 4627

Little Rock, Arkansas, US

Alabaster Crowley wrote:

Truth's harsh.

Opinion doesn't equal truth

Aug 07 14 08:24 pm Link

Photographer

AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 13053

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Lovely Day Media wrote:

Lovely Day Media wrote:
If some people had their way, taking any pictures at all wouldn't happen because each time you press the shutter button, you're shortening the subject's life a little bit.  It's "sick" to want to shorten someone's life.

What I'm talking about is this: the person I quoted said something about someone's 'sick perverted mind' (not an exact quote, I know). I asked why a person's mind has to be sick and/or perverted just because they don't agree with the art they're trying to create.

Then comes the above quote ... some people are against picture taking totally. Someone told me their religion tells them that pictures of live things (including animals) is forbidden because it shortens a person's life.  I don't agree with them but I can't tell them what they should or shouldn't believe and why or why not.

In the same way, I can't tell a person what art they can or can't create and since no one died and made me moral police, I can't say if their mind is sick or perverted for creating it.  If someone could do this, it would seem most Quentin Tarantino movies wouldn't get made because most feature a whole bunch of stylized violence. If you've ever seen the original Kill Bill movie, you know what I'm talking about here.

That's what the f*** I'm talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

Aug 07 14 08:32 pm Link

Photographer

highStrangeness

Posts: 2485

Carmichael, California, US

Laura Bello wrote:

I'm completely against glamorizing traumatic issues like this and think this was only done to cause controversy to get attention but I really hate when people throw around the term 'male privilege'.  It just reminds me of crazed tumblr SJW's who basically think all men are the devil and everything in life is easy for them.

Two words come to mind.  "Victim Mentality".

Aug 07 14 08:35 pm Link

Photographer

Michael Broughton

Posts: 2288

Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

*shrug* i see this more as an attempt to contrast violence with glamour to elicit a conflicted emotional response rather than an attempt to glamorize violence, and a pretty tame one at that.

Aug 07 14 08:39 pm Link

Wardrobe Stylist

Tiffany_B

Posts: 1551

Atlanta, Georgia, US

There's no one other than the photographer who can say with any certainty what the thought process behind the concept was. Personally I think it's disturbing based on the context, and I felt the same way about the Heather Morris shoot a few years back (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/0 … 46721.html) in that it felt like it was done to be "edgy" and "different" as opposed to the photographers and the models using their talents to create something with a message or for a cause.

As a PSA campaign the images could bring greater attention to an ongoing issue in India, similar to the domestic violence awareness ads in Saudi Arabia (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … burka.html) but as the theme for a  fashion shoot there's just this overtone of poor taste.

With all of that said however I don't think that there should be a limit to what may inspire people for a shoot because while sometimes the resulting images are controversial there are other times when what's produced is truly beautiful and/or thought provoking.

Aug 07 14 08:39 pm Link

Model

Kirst

Posts: 550

Derry, New Hampshire, US

It's just too damn close to a reenactment. I don't know how he can say he didn't intend it to come across that way. I also hope that the models feel ashamed for participating in this. You would think nobody would be stupid enough to do this...
it's sickening indeed.

Aug 07 14 09:19 pm Link

Photographer

GER Photography

Posts: 8463

Imperial, California, US

Lovely Day Media wrote:

Why does a person's mind have to be sick and/or perverted just because you don't agree with what they call art.

It stems from the "reasonable man" legal assumptions, that if a reasonable man believes that something should be considered legal or illegal that that should be the only test necessary. I consider myself to be reasonable enough to discern for myself that someone walking to the middle of a stage, Dropping trou and shitting in front of a audience is sick and disgusting and should not be allowed, some disturbed "art" illuminates thought differently and so the "performance art piece" went on. The case in the OP I see as just as disturbed and depraved.

Aug 07 14 10:22 pm Link