Jakov Markovic wrote:

Glad you recognized yourself, even though I mentioned no names. I own both a PC and a Mac. So, I'll let all of you remain ignorant, arrogance deserves no better.

Next you'll be telling me how there is another standard that is not PS, that is not English language etc. Question here is if the Mac system favored by industry professionals, and it is for all the reasons above and more, so just give it a rest.

If price of a Mac vs. PC is your main concern, and I can tell that it is, it tells a lot about how badly you're running your business and it has nothing to do with the computer choice.

And if any professional is reading this, they already own a Mac, so this topic is probably pointless. Get a PC, realize your mistake, get a Mac, that's the way the world order works.

It is obvious that you think very highly of yourself and your so called knowledge.  However, your "facts" are terribly incorrect and you are doing nothing but providing inaccurate data.  Again, you might want to take your own advice... " If you don't know what you're talking about, how about just shutting the hell up? "

Wye wrote:

Hah. The bulk of today's cgi vfx work is done in Linux. And if the IT guys are smart they'll be running Their photoshop on Mac OS like we do so they can be Unix all the way down. I'm sure some smaller shops are running all windows but all of the big players are doing most of their work on Linux. And windows does not play nice in that world.

Wow your way out on this.. I do some work for a guy who is a cgi artist/games developer ... 3d, Maya, ect ect also moving into programming,  also a few student I knew who studied programing at uni on pc's.... PC are what's used.

Wye wrote:
Hah. The bulk of today's cgi vfx work is done in Linux. And if the IT guys are smart they'll be running Their photoshop on Mac OS like we do so they can be Unix all the way down. I'm sure some smaller shops are running all windows but all of the big players are doing most of their work on Linux. And windows does not play nice in that world.

WIP wrote:
Wow your way out on this.. I do some work for a guy who is a cgi artist/games developer ... 3d, Maya, ect ect also moving into programming,  also a few student I knew who studied programing at uni on pc's.... PC are what's used.

He's right for companies with a significant production pipeline.

WIP wrote:

Wye wrote:
Hah. The bulk of today's cgi vfx work is done in Linux. And if the IT guys are smart they'll be running Their photoshop on Mac OS like we do so they can be Unix all the way down. I'm sure some smaller shops are running all windows but all of the big players are doing most of their work on Linux. And windows does not play nice in that world.

Wow your way out on this.. I do some work for a guy who is a cgi artist/games developer ... 3d, Maya, ect ect also moving into programming,  also a few student I knew who studied programing at uni on pc's.... PC are what's used.

WIP wrote:

Wow your way out on this.. I do some work for a guy who is a cgi artist/games developer ... 3d, Maya, ect ect also moving into programming,  also a few student I knew who studied programing at uni on pc's.... PC are what's used.

Sorry. No.

Ilm. Weta. Sony. Pixar. Mpc. Framestore. All Linux based. The VFX industry is a Unix industry (previously sgi and sun mainly). The transition to Linux was (relatively) simple.

I'm sure there are windows machines in those companies (just like there are in mine) but a Mac workstation is infinitely more easily integrated into a Linux pipeline than a windows workstation. I've done it. Not having to deal with path translation alone is a huge boon. As I mentioned before. The only reason I would put a windows machine in my office is if there was no other choice. And when a choice appears (like a piece of software becoming available on Mac or Linux) the windows machine goes away. They just don't fit into the pipeline elegantly.

J-PhotoArt wrote:

It is obvious that you think very highly of yourself and your so called knowledge.  However, your "facts" are terribly incorrect and you are doing nothing but providing inaccurate data.  Again, you might want to take your own advice... " If you don't know what you're talking about, how about just shutting the hell up? "

With all your efforts to put me down, and prove how much smarter you are than everyone else, you still can't deny that all the most famous and established model photographers use Macs. That is no coincidence. Once you're in their place, you can dictate whatever trend, until then, I think I'll respect their opinion more than yours. Thank you very much.

Wye wrote:
Sorry. No.

Ilm. Weta. Sony. Pixar. Mpc. Framestore. All Linux based. The VFX industry is a Unix industry (previously sgi and sun mainly). The transition to Linux was (relatively) simple.

I'm sure there are windows machines in those companies (just like there are in mine) but a Mac workstation is infinitely more easily integrated into a Linux pipeline than a windows workstation. I've done it. Not having to deal with path translation alone is a huge boon. As I mentioned before. The only reason I would put a windows machine in my office is if there was no other choice. And when a choice appears (like a piece of software becoming available on Mac or Linux) the windows machine goes away. They just don't fit into the pipeline elegantly.

Friend of mine has agency for VFX effects ( Nuke + After Effects) , video composite work , Cinema 4d plus Maya 3d  , they work on very famous movies  and  3D movies.
All 30+ retouchers work on Windows.

Best
ST

ST Retouch wrote:

Friend of mine has agency for VFX effects , video composite work , Cinema 4d plus Maya 3d  , they work on very famous movies  and  3D movies.
All 30+ retouchers work on Windows.

Best
ST

and as I said earlier. Smaller companies do use all windows pipelines (just as other small companies do use all Mac pipelines) but the meat and potatoes of the vfx industry.. All Linux.

ST Retouch wrote:
Friend of mine has agency for VFX effects ( Nuke + After Effects) , video composite work , Cinema 4d plus Maya 3d  , they work on very famous movies  and  3D movies.
All 30+ retouchers work on Windows.

Best
ST

Sounds like they have a lot of off-the-shelf software and not a big proprietary software infrastructure.

RME Digital Photography wrote:
I'm a software developer and this argument has raged on for decades lol.  I can tell you that there is a reason my company doesn't write software for the Mac;  large business do not run on macs.  It's market share is small.  Apple does do devices very well.  And let's not get into the whole argument about which company is more douche baggy.  They both pull all kinds of crap on their customers that people hate.  I think there was a time when Apple users felt that owning a Mac was a statement against the evil Microsoft empire, they may still feel that way.  But Apple is just as bad these days especially with their device market.

But none of that pertains to the OPs question.  I think there was a time when Macs ran things like Photoshop way way better.  I've used photoshop and Lightroom on both PCs and Macs and these days there is no difference other then differences in shortcuts and and the interface.

But if anyone is suggesting that macs have better graphics these days they are not correct.

If I wrote a lot of software to control interacting systems at home I'd be Linux/Mac at home.

Since I mainly run off the shelf software at home I go with the platform that gets the software first. That's the PC. The Mac is always a day late and a dollar short on new software.

Jakov Markovic wrote:

With all your efforts to put me down, and prove how much smarter you are than everyone else, you still can't deny that all the most famous and established model photographers use Macs. That is no coincidence. Once you're in their place, you can dictate whatever trend, until then, I think I'll respect their opinion more than yours. Thank you very much.

Jakoy, years ago Macs were considered better for artists and photographers.   Writers and other creatives used them as well.   Tiger and leopard were considered more stable and secure then Windows 95 and 2000 and XP.   Photographers still favor Macs today but that doesn't make them 'better' and when you say things like Windows doesn't auto defrag or allow users to make different colored files or power management isn't available  for Windows.   It makes you seem a bit behind.   Today many creatives use Windows and as someone who uses OS X ,Windows and Linux I see the appeal of all three.   Better is what fits you best and to be frank OS X and Windows are pretty close for features.

By the way I have disk fragmentations on three Macbooks and never on any Windows or Linux box.

Wye wrote:

WIP wrote:

Wye wrote:
Hah. The bulk of today's cgi vfx work is done in Linux. And if the IT guys are smart they'll be running Their photoshop on Mac OS like we do so they can be Unix all the way down. I'm sure some smaller shops are running all windows but all of the big players are doing most of their work on Linux. And windows does not play nice in that world.

Wow your way out on this.. I do some work for a guy who is a cgi artist/games developer ... 3d, Maya, ect ect also moving into programming,  also a few student I knew who studied programing at uni on pc's.... PC are what's used.

Sorry. No.

Ilm. Weta. Sony. Pixar. Mpc. Framestore. All Linux based. The VFX industry is a Unix industry (previously sgi and sun mainly). The transition to Linux was (relatively) simple.

I'm sure there are windows machines in those companies (just like there are in mine) but a Mac workstation is infinitely more easily integrated into a Linux pipeline than a windows workstation. I've done it. Not having to deal with path translation alone is a huge boon. As I mentioned before. The only reason I would put a windows machine in my office is if there was no other choice. And when a choice appears (like a piece of software becoming available on Mac or Linux) the windows machine goes away. They just don't fit into the pipeline elegantly.

The cgi guy I've worked for worked with a guy who did sfx on the film Matrix... PC.

WIP wrote:

The cgi guy I've worked for worked with a guy who did sfx on the film Matrix... PC.

What is your anecdote meant to prove that I haven't already said?

Jakov Markovic wrote:
With all your efforts to put me down, and prove how much smarter you are than everyone else, you still can't deny that all the most famous and established model photographers use Macs. That is no coincidence. Once you're in their place, you can dictate whatever trend, until then, I think I'll respect their opinion more than yours. Thank you very much.

I am not and have tried to put you down and / or tried to prove I am smarter than you!  It was you that first made the statement If you don't know what you're talking about, how about just shutting the hell up?

All I have done is counter statements that you make as fact about Windows and PC hardware which were inaccurate and completely false.  You need to get accurate information before you start making comments and call them facts!

J-PhotoArt wrote:

I am not and have tried to put you down and / or tried to prove I am smarter than you!  It was you that first made the statement If you don't know what you're talking about, how about just shutting the hell up?

All I have done is counter statements that you make as fact about Windows and PC hardware which were inaccurate and completely false.  You need to get accurate information before you start making comments and call them facts!

And i told you that you'll be the one who decides the levels of accuracy as soon as you become a household name.

Jakov Markovic wrote:
With all your efforts to put me down, and prove how much smarter you are than everyone else, you still can't deny that all the most famous and established model photographers use Macs. That is no coincidence. Once you're in their place, you can dictate whatever trend, until then, I think I'll respect their opinion more than yours. Thank you very much.

I would not go into discussion between you and J-FotoArt , but after reading your post about  famous and established photographers that all of them use Macs, it seems like you know everything about the industry and you know all photographers from the industry personally because you claim all of them use Macs and they dictate trend?
Which trends model's photographers  dictate about Macs or Pc when more then 80% of them use retouchers or agencies?
And what about photographers from other genres like advertising, commercial?


Where you read these informations  , on online forums or where?
Do you know them all personally and have you assisted to all of them so you know that all of them use Macs, that  all of them know retouching and that all of them worked in front of you on Macs?

I am just curious because when I read post like that , it seems that you know everything about real industry.

Thank you

Herman van Gestel wrote:
too much geek-talk here .... most creatives are not concerned with this

Herman
www.hermanvangestel.com

That's why creatives like macs so much: they don't care about the geeky stuff, so they can't use tech specs to judge anything. All they can do is choose the one that looks best on their desk.

GER Photography wrote:
My Mac SE (1987) still works, my Mac Power PC 7200 (1998?) still works, my current computer is a MacBook PRO that I bought in 2008 the only thing it's needed is a new battery. I've never had a virus, never had a drive failure, never had to reinstall the OS (except for upgrades of course), never replaced any boards... Apple makes the best hardware in the industry.
Most/all vendors use the Mac Developers Kit to create software that is 100% compatible with the hardware and doesn't conflict with other programs, this also means that once you get the gist of how Mac software works you can just jump into any program and feel comfortable. You end up with a computer that you don't have to fight with to keep it running. I was a computer technician for many years, Apple certified, HP certified, certificate in computer technology...  I built, networked, repaired it all and I wouldn't give you $10.00 for a WinTel machine I haven't got time to waste fighting with a computer. Piss on Microsoft.

+1
My photographer friend always gives me a hard time for using a Mac and he tell me how much better his windows machines are. As I use only my 2006 Macbook, he has been through quite a few windows computers due to a variety of reasons. I haven't had a problem, nor do I expect to have one

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:
That's why creatives like macs so much: they don't care about the geeky stuff, so they can't use tech specs to judge anything. All they can do is choose the one that looks best on their desk.

you almost got it right, they use macs because the zen of using it is better... less confrontation with computer-stuff, more focus on creating...

...and creatives are more sensitive to aesthetics...that doesn't make the decision harder as well 

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:

That's why creatives like macs so much: they don't care about the geeky stuff, so they can't use tech specs to judge anything. All they can do is choose the one that looks best on their desk.

Or, as we used to observe ... PC users talked about all the things they did to their machines. Mac users talked about all the things they did WITH their machines. It's a lot better now, but the stereotype does hang on.