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Personality Imaging

Posts: 2100

Hoover, Alabama, US

Can a model release signed by a model who is of legal age to sign a contract apply to pictures taken of her before she was of legal age?

Aug 13 14 12:29 pm Link

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Ken Warren Photography

Posts: 933

GLENMOORE, Pennsylvania, US

Personality Imaging wrote:
Can a model release signed by a model who is of legal age to sign a contract apply to pictures taken of her before she was of legal age?

I Am Not A Lawyer, and the answer in your location could vary, but here in PA, the answer is yes, a model can retro-actively sign a release.

Aug 13 14 12:35 pm Link

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Gregory Thelen

Posts: 145

Concord, California, US

A good question for a lawyer but my guess is NOPE!

I would think that since at the time of the shoot, the model was not of legal age to consent or enter into a contract without a parent or guardian signature and involvement.

If a parent or guardian signs off on the release with her, I would think all is cleared up.
**Edit
My lawyer keeps telling me to document everything and get signatures as a just in case.

Aug 13 14 12:43 pm Link

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Feverstockphoto

Posts: 623

Belfast, Northern Ireland, United Kingdom

Personality Imaging wrote:
Can a model release signed by a model who is of legal age to sign a contract apply to pictures taken of her before she was of legal age?

Yes.

Epanding: Now assuming they are 18 or older, they can sign a model release for images that were taken before they were 18.

Aug 13 14 02:13 pm Link

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Michael DBA Expressions

Posts: 3730

Lynchburg, Virginia, US

The laws governing model releases vary from state to state. Unless the respondent is an attorney licensed to practice in your state, the answer he/she gives should be disregarded, especially if they live in another state, and especially if they are not even in your country.

OP, you can get lots and lots of useless and even dangerous legal advice on this forum, all for free, and all of it worth LESS than you paid for it. Or you can blow $50 and get an answer from a knowledgeable licensed attorney that will save you tons of trouble, and maybe even a stint in jail. The choice is yours.

Aug 13 14 02:21 pm Link

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Feverstockphoto

Posts: 623

Belfast, Northern Ireland, United Kingdom

As i said yes.

This has come up many times on Istock/Getty and they accept model releases signed by persons 18 and over for images that were taken of them when they were a minor. They (Istock/Getty) have huge legal teams so....

You can search there if you have patience http://www.istockphoto.com/forums.php

http://www.microstockgroup.com/newby-di … l-release/

http://rising.blackstar.com/who-should- … lease.html  - Last paragraph: 'However, once a model reaches the age of majority (usually 18), then the model, not the parent, has the right to sign a model release on his behalf. Therefore, if you don’t get the release from the parent/guardian while the model is a minor, then get it from the adult model.'

http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messag … adid=42376

Aug 13 14 04:03 pm Link

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Feverstockphoto

Posts: 623

Belfast, Northern Ireland, United Kingdom

Most recent post on Istock http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messag … 808&page=1

RobMattingley is a moderater for Istock and his answer would be based on Istocks current policy informed by their legal teams.   

Again the answer would be yes.

Aug 13 14 04:56 pm Link

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TomFRohwer

Posts: 1601

Hamburg, Hamburg, Germany

Feverstockphoto wrote:
As i said yes.

I would think so, too. (Otherwise the first 18 years of someone's life would be "property" of his/her parents even after reaching legal age which does not make sense...) But my knowledge of US jurisdiction is clearly limited.

This has come up many times on Istock/Getty and they accept model releases signed by persons 18 and over for images that were taken of them when they were a minor. They (Istock/Getty) have huge legal teams so....

The fact that a specific model release is used or demanded by agencies like Getty does not guaranty this specific model release fulfills all legal requirements in any country...

For instance there are a lot of lawyers in Germany who strongly doubt that the standard "Getty model release" is fully valid under German law. It includes some clauses which are most likely void or at least contestable under German law.

(Very simplified: under German law a model release must be either time-limited or it has to be rescindable for substantial reasons.)

subject to call

Aug 14 14 02:38 am Link

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BeautybyGod

Posts: 3078

Los Angeles, California, US

if the answer was no, then a 60 year old person whose parents have passed away would not be able to license their childhood photos to anyone.

which seems pretty stupid.

so...

Aug 14 14 02:57 am Link

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Feverstockphoto

Posts: 623

Belfast, Northern Ireland, United Kingdom

TomFRohwer wrote:
I would think so, too. (Otherwise the first 18 years of someone's life would be "property" of his/her parents even after reaching legal age which does not make sense...) But my knowledge of US jurisdiction is clearly limited.


The fact that a specific model release is used or demanded by agencies like Getty does not guaranty this specific model release fulfills all legal requirements in any country...

For instance there are a lot of lawyers in Germany who strongly doubt that the standard "Getty model release" is fully valid under German law. It includes some clauses which are most likely void or at least contestable under German law.

(Very simplified: under German law a model release must be either time-limited or it has to be rescindable for substantial reasons.)

subject to call

You can have any generic release, your own one or one that is drawn up by any laywers in any country you want or reside in and run it past them or any stock site and their legal team and your legal team back and forth for aproval to submit images to their collection. I'm sure lawyers will still doubt even their own words!  smile.

There are loads of stock agenieces around the world and most require a model release for RF images with recognizable people. But whether they are needed or not is another question that can be seperated from op's minor signing when 18 or old enough question which we are in agreement about is fine, normal, comon practise by all and legal.

Let the lawyers do their job and have fun and we can do our job and have fun too! smile.

Edited side note: Istock office in Berlin smile. http://fuel.istockphoto.com/post/247381 … -office-in not sure if they are still there though. closed. Shutterstock open though http://www.microstockgroup.com/shutters … in-berlin/

Aug 14 14 07:05 am Link

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Feverstockphoto

Posts: 623

Belfast, Northern Ireland, United Kingdom

On a seperate note i'm using Easy Release https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta … ease&hl=en 

Another feast for the lawyers to chew over smile.

Aug 14 14 07:20 am Link

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American Glamour

Posts: 38813

Detroit, Michigan, US

Let's confine this discussion to the US, but in that context, you are getting the right answer.  Of course someone can consent to the use of their likeness for an image taken before they came of age.  In fact, with few exceptions, the parent would lack the authority to sign on their behalf once they were an adult.  In other words, if you went to the parent, instead of the subject, you would end up with a release that is invalid.

To understand this, you have to understand what a model release is.  In its essence, it is a legal document used to allow the subject to give consent for the use of their likeness.  It is most often needed when the likeness is to be used for commercial purposes.

As a matter of legal practice, it will either be structured as a release or a consent.  The difference is significant.   A true model release is a waiver of rights.  It is a waiver by the subject of his right to sue the publisher for using his/her likeness in a manner that requires consent.  Once you become an adult, your parents lose their right to waive your rights on your behalf.  In other words, your parents can't decide, on your behalf, that you can't sue someone.

The other way a release can be structured is as a consent form.  Technically, that is not a release, since by legal definition, a release is a waiver of rights.  In the business, though, we refer to it as a release.   With a consent form, you give the publisher permission to use your likeness.    Once again, your parents couldn't sell your car for you after you come of age.  Their signature is meaningless.   Indeed, in some states, and in some circumstances, consent given by the parent when you are under age can be rescinded when you turn 18.  So you, and only you, can consent for things on your behalf once you turn of age (which is generally 18 in the US but can be older in certain states).

I like the analogy of the prior poster.  What happens if your parents are dead?  Would that mean, for the rest of your life, you could never publish your photos as a child.

Since nobody in this thread is an attorney, if this is an important issue to you, my suggestion is that you speak to an attorney.  What you are having here is a lay discussion.  An attorney is best qualified to give you advice.

Aug 14 14 08:46 am Link

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James Jackson Fashion

Posts: 11132

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Michael DBA Expressions wrote:
The laws governing model releases vary from state to state. Unless the respondent is an attorney licensed to practice in your state, the answer he/she gives should be disregarded, especially if they live in another state, and especially if they are not even in your country.

OP, you can get lots and lots of useless and even dangerous legal advice on this forum, all for free, and all of it worth LESS than you paid for it. Or you can blow $50 and get an answer from a knowledgeable licensed attorney that will save you tons of trouble, and maybe even a stint in jail. The choice is yours.

That is stupid.

Firstly, the law is the domain of the citizens of the country, not the walled off private playground of those who have law degrees.  Anyone can participate in government or law, you don't need to be a lawyer to have a legal opinion.

Secondly, no one is going to jail for what he's asking about.

Thirdly, many of the issues we deal with as photographers are of a federal nature not a local or state one.

Finally, law is based in logic and the logic of this question should be simple enough for anyone to weigh in, but that's assuming that "anyone" isn't really stupid.


The logic of the question, can a model, who is now past the age of majority, sign a release giving use rights to photographs of him/her taken when they were not past the age of majority.  Then answer is an obvious yes.  The model's rights to their own publicity are their own, even when they're younger than the age of majority.  Much as when an ad campaign changes and a release needs to be modified, a model will be asked to sign that modified release many months or years after the production of a photograph or advertisement, so too could a model be sought after they've aged past the point where they need adult supervision over their decisions.  As they've aged past that point, their rights didn't change, just the need for adult supervision did.

Aug 14 14 12:59 pm Link