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Looknsee Photography

Posts: 26342

Portland, Oregon, US

How punctual are you?  How often are you late?  Does it bother you if/when you are late?

How do you feel when people are late to meet you?  What strategies do you use to encourage people to be on time?

If Johnny Manziel shows up late to a scheduled team meeting, should he be punished?

Aug 15 14 07:42 am Link

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Looknsee Photography

Posts: 26342

Portland, Oregon, US

My father was obsessive with regards to showing up on time -- indeed, he'd show up as much as three hours early.  Being so early was very annoying, too.

So, I am very punctual, and I am very rarely late, but I'm rarely early, too.  I do get anxious if I think I'm going to be late. 

I was an early adopter of PDAs -- I had a pocket sized PC way back in 1995, and it had a calendar & a clock with an alarm.  It was a great tool, and I don't think I was ever late when I had that thing strapped to my belt.

I do admit that I get a little anxious when people are late for meeting me, but I'm patient, and I usually have something at hand to keep me busy & occupied.

When I worked for a Fortune 50 company, I'd have a weekly status meeting first thing in the morning, where the key people on the project would share status & we'd develop plans.  I usually brought bagels in for the meeting, but when the meeting start time arrived, I'd take the bagels away, so the stragglers wouldn't get any.

(Nearly) Never Late.

Aug 15 14 07:49 am Link

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J Haggerty

Posts: 1315

Augusta, Georgia, US

I'll allow lateness as I know the subways and buses here cannot be relied on. I've left the house and hour early and I still get to the same destination late as if I left the house a half hour later. It really depends on the day and time of day to judge when you'll get to your destination and I recognize that the people I work with don't come out to my area everyday so they can't possibly know.

If it's a time restricted project then I give ample warning and am perturbed if they are late.

Aug 15 14 07:50 am Link

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KelliOnLineGlamourNude

Posts: 2999

Barrie, Ontario, Canada

I'm nearly always on time because I will leave early just in case of unforeseen events, like traffic, that way when that does happen, which is often I'm either 15 mins early or so or on time. I like to be 15 mins early. If I'm getting to a shoot or an appointment even just right on time my stomach is in knots because I don't want to be the cause of a delay, I want to be there and ready to go at the start time. If there isn't traffic and I end up being early I run errands until the time which really helps out because I rarely have the spare time for that.

Being late is really obnoxious unless there's a very real reason for it. I hate being late, I really value my time and others.

Aug 15 14 07:54 am Link

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T Brown

Posts: 2460

Traverse City, Michigan, US

I am never late, I always leave early in case something happens, traffic, or an unexpected need to stop (construction, gas, etc)

Usually where I need to be 15 min early mostly a few minutes earlier.

I have relative though that will be late to their own funeral, they were both late to their wedding, so no surprise, lol..

Aug 15 14 08:04 am Link

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Cherrystone

Posts: 37171

Columbus, Ohio, US

Late was my middle name when going to school or work (i.e. morning wakeup)
most of my life. (never resolved sleep problem)

For times unrelated to waking up, it was kept down to a low roar usually. (15 min or less) Got a lot better in the last 15 yrs.

Professional appts. such as doctor, lawyer, etc. I'm pretty much on time, I trick myself. wink

If someone is coming to me (lets say model shoot) I'm ok with 15 or less.
Anything more, someone better call.

People who show up earlier than 5 minutes ahead of time, makes my head hurt. Depending on whom they are, and what the thing is, I've said leave and come back in 20 minutes, the time you're supposed to be here. I let people know that too, please do NOT show up more than 5 minutes early, if that. I'd rather you be 5-10 minutes late.

Aug 15 14 08:12 am Link

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Laura UnBound

Posts: 28745

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Im almost always late. Put my husband and I together and theres not a chance in the world we'll be on time. I tell our friends and family that if they want us somewhere on time they need to lie about when we need to be there by at least an hour, but nobody listens to me lol


I only get upset when people are late if they're extremely late, or whatever is going on is extremely time-sensitive and I really need them to be on time, and *I* actually managed to be on time. I know its a bit hypocritical to be upset when others are late if Im always late, but I also feel like if *I* actually managed to be on time/not that late, since Im so fucking bad at it, then others should be able to handle it too, cuz Im kind of the queen of it.

Most of the time though Im a little relieved if someone else is late, so that I dont have to be the bad guy. And I get to avoid them a little bit longer.

Aug 15 14 09:22 am Link

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Vintagevista

Posts: 11804

Sun City, California, US

If you live in, or near, LA - and anybody is driving - you have to allow for a LOT of late arrivals.

I spent a lot of my childhood waiting on a parent that was chronically late - and I know how much it affected me - so I personally overcompensate and am VERY detailed on being on time when ever possible.

Aug 15 14 09:26 am Link

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A-M-P

Posts: 18465

Orlando, Florida, US

I always like to be early being late is really embarrassing in my opinion. I hate my mother in law because she always is late for everything.

I will tell her something is 2 hours earlier for her to arrive on time.

Aug 15 14 09:39 am Link

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KelliOnLineGlamourNude

Posts: 2999

Barrie, Ontario, Canada

Laura UnBound wrote:
Im almost always late. Put my husband and I together and theres not a chance in the world we'll be on time. I tell our friends and family that if they want us somewhere on time they need to lie about when we need to be there by at least an hour, but nobody listens to me lol


I only get upset when people are late if they're extremely late, or whatever is going on is extremely time-sensitive and I really need them to be on time, and *I* actually managed to be on time. I know its a bit hypocritical to be upset when others are late if Im always late, but I also feel like if *I* actually managed to be on time/not that late, since Im so fucking bad at it, then others should be able to handle it too, cuz Im kind of the queen of it.

Most of the time though Im a little relieved if someone else is late, so that I dont have to be the bad guy. And I get to avoid them a little bit longer.

I always lie to people like that about the time. I have an ex-bf who I lied to about a doctors appoint he offered to take me to by 2 hours and we got there just on time. Good thing or I would've had have paid for the missed appointment. It was funny he was all stressed out because he thought we were 2 hrs late. He seemed to panic all of the time about being late for anything, yet he always was.

Aug 15 14 01:19 pm Link

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GeorgeMann

Posts: 1148

Orange, California, US

I am never late to anything if I am not depending on someone else to go along or pick me up.
Virtually every model I shoot comes out of the LA area and very rarely is one of them late. Most often they have been to Starbucks down the street killing time. Gotta love those Traveling Models.

Aug 15 14 02:39 pm Link

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GeorgeMann

Posts: 1148

Orange, California, US

A-M-P wrote:
I always like to be early being late is really embarrassing in my opinion. I hate my mother in law because she always is late for everything.

I will tell her something is 2 hours earlier for her to arrive on time.

I had a mother-in-law like that, but I cured her.
She wanted to see the Rose Parade and I told her we had to leave by 4:00 A.M. to get a parking space. She was ready at 4:30 according to my brother-in-law, and I showed up at 6:30 A.M. and got there and parked by 7:15. She was pissed for weeks, but quit being late.

Aug 15 14 02:44 pm Link

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Outoffocus

Posts: 631

Worcester, England, United Kingdom

I'm late sometimes and there's almost never an excuse. I try to get round it by giving windows. Instead of arranging to be somewhere at 10,30 I will arrange it for between 10 and 11. That's for work. Socially I get anxious if I am running late.

Aug 15 14 02:46 pm Link

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Isis22

Posts: 3557

Muncie, Indiana, US

I hate being late. I hate when my kids are late and especially when my ex is late(LOL). I hated being late so much in college I would just skip the class. Being late gets me all frazzled.

Aug 15 14 02:49 pm Link

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Looknsee Photography

Posts: 26342

Portland, Oregon, US

If someone is chronically late for meeting up to me, I wouldn't lie in order to get them to be on-time.  I would be direct & clear, letting them know that it's a big issue for me.  If they continue to be late, I may structure things so that I'm occupied while waiting.

But if, for example, I'm going to meet someone at the movies, and they are late, I just might get myself a ticket & go in alone -- they can do whatever they want when they show up. 

If I say I'm going to drive on a trip with someone, leaving by a certain time, I may give them a little grace period, but I just might go on without them.

If this continues to happen, we just might not be making plans together.

But I would not try to manipulate them with lies, and I would certainly hate it if they lied to me.  That's just not something I would consider doing.

So yes, chronic tardiness bugs me that much.  If someone is often late for me, I'll eventually feel that I can't rely on them.

And heaven help anyone who makes me late!

Aug 15 14 02:56 pm Link

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DougBPhoto

Posts: 39248

Portland, Oregon, US

If you are early, you are on-time

if you are on-time, you are late

if you are late, you are fired

Aug 15 14 03:10 pm Link

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East West

Posts: 847

Los Angeles, California, US

People who are habitually late have no regard for other people's time. I can't work with them.

Aug 15 14 03:34 pm Link

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D A N I

Posts: 4627

Little Rock, Arkansas, US

I'm usually late 90% of the time. I try NOT to be late but sometimes 15 left before I need to leave turns into oh shit I should have left 20 minutes ago!

Disclaimer:

When shooting, I'm usually the one sitting around waiting on the photographer to show up

Aug 15 14 04:09 pm Link

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Alabaster Crowley

Posts: 8283

Tucson, Arizona, US

DougBPhoto wrote:
If you are early, you are on-time

if you are on-time, you are late

if you are late, you are fired

That's bullshit for 99% of hourly jobs. You're not even allowed to clock in more than 5 minutes early.

Aug 15 14 04:15 pm Link

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BeatnikDiva

Posts: 14859

Fayetteville, Arkansas, US

Ever since my daughter was born (in 1992), I've been late for everything except college classes, and any other musical performances, and modeling gigs.

I have no explanation other than the things I enjoy, I prepare for, and the things I don't, I don't care.  Fuck you, hated things!

Aug 15 14 04:22 pm Link

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DougBPhoto

Posts: 39248

Portland, Oregon, US

Alabaster Crowley wrote:
That's bullshit for 99% of hourly jobs. You're not even allowed to clock in more than 5 minutes early.

I don't recall that the OP was asking about when you're supposed to punch in on a time clock.

Two totally different things/situations, but of course, you knew that already.  smile

It is also not MY saying... but sayings normally exist for a reason. wink

http://workfamilyfoundation.org/family- … e-on-time/

Note:  The link says the quote comes from Vince Lombardi, one of the greatest football coaches of all time...  even more relevance to the original post.

Aug 15 14 04:26 pm Link

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Bare Essential Photos

Posts: 3605

Upland, California, US

Looknsee Photography wrote:
How punctual are you?  How often are you late?  Does it bother you if/when you are late?

What strategies do you use to encourage people to be on time?

As a photographer, I have yet to be late when shooting location or at my home studio. I've done over 200 location shoots. Most of them are at Santa Monica and I live in Upland, CA.

If a model is late, we don't do the shoot, period. I don't nurture poor work ethics. All the models I shoot are required to read my profile.

Aug 15 14 05:30 pm Link

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Lohkee

Posts: 14028

Maricopa, Arizona, US

DougBPhoto wrote:
If you are early, you are on-time

if you are on-time, you are late

if you are late, you are fired

Yeppers (and I've fired a few in my time).

Aug 15 14 05:53 pm Link

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K I C K H A M

Posts: 14689

Los Angeles, California, US

I have pretty terrible luck with timeliness. I swear the world likes me to be 5-10 minutes late. I leave 5 minutes later than I should have, 5-10 minutes late. I leave on time, 5-10 minutes late. I leave 30 minutes early, 5-10 minutes late.

Luckily, in LA, 5ish minutes isn't usually even considered late. I always keep everyone informed. If it's something with strict time constraints, I get there literally an hour early and grab coffee or something beforehand.

I don't get too annoyed when people are late because, generally I understand it's probably traffic or something and there are much worse things in life to worry about.

If they are 15 minutes late and haven't responded, I start to get anxious that they might not show. If they are over 30 minutes late without a good reason and consistent communication, I start to get mad.

In LA I've seen people show up over an hour late and just say, "Oh. Sorry."

Aug 15 14 05:54 pm Link

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Tropical Photography

Posts: 35564

Sarasota, Florida, US

I'm typically on time or a few minuets early.. If I'm going to be more than 5 mins late I'll usually try to call or text to let them know I'm in transit..

As to others, I expect them to be the same way.. I feel you should figure how long it should take you to get somewhere and add a buffer.. To not do so is irresponsible.

Aug 15 14 05:54 pm Link

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Lohkee

Posts: 14028

Maricopa, Arizona, US

Alabaster Crowley wrote:

That's bullshit for 99% of hourly jobs. You're not even allowed to clock in more than 5 minutes early.

Be very very happy that you've never worked for me. I've very happily gone to some extremes to help employees in a bind. I've also shit-canned them without a second thought for being late. Clock time, BTW, has NOTHING to do with being ON TIME.

Aug 15 14 05:57 pm Link

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Koryn

Posts: 39496

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Danielle Reid wrote:
When shooting, I'm usually the one sitting around waiting on the photographer to show up

Yeah, this ^^^

I have been late before.

I think the latest I ever was for a shoot, was 45 minutes late, and it's because I was sitting in traffic when an overturned car caught on fire outside out Hartford Connecticut.

Traffic was backed up for miles, and eventually re-routed.

I'd left my house two hours early, thinking I was going to have to sit in a coffee shop and read for awhile, and still ended up being 45 minutes late.

Aug 15 14 07:28 pm Link

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Koryn

Posts: 39496

Boston, Massachusetts, US

For the most part, I HATE when people are late. When you make plans with a friend, and they show up 30 minutes late, they're basically just shitting on you, unless there's some really, really genuine reason (like they stepped in dog shit on the way out the door, then had to go wash their shoes, then forgot their wallet next to sink and had to go back and get it).

New Englanders are basically pretty punctual. I'm grateful for that.

When I lived in North Carolina, time was totally arbitrary. I stopped making plans to meet people at specific places, at specific times, because they'd always be an hour late, and I'd miss half the show I planned to see, waiting on them. Either that, or if you went over to their house, to carpool to some kind of outing, someone would want to "pregame," by having a few drinks at home, then pregaming turned into breaking out the bong. Then, breaking out the bong turned into watching Futurama episodes, then no one went anywhere, and I fucking.hated.that.shit. Especially because I'd always gotten showered and dressed, and had tickets, and was excited about actually doing something fun.

When I lived in NC, I'd just go out alone, and hoped that some time during the night, maybe one friend would show up eventually.

Aug 15 14 07:28 pm Link

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Jules NYC

Posts: 21617

New York, New York, US

Being on time is paramount for me. I'm usually a little early if anything.

Friends should be respectful of MY time. I don't appreciate the hurry up just to wait vibe unless I am being paid. Film production is notorious for the hurry up and wait factor.

One time I was meeting a guy for the first time. I was in the city and took a train to the shore. I had my headphones on, all excited...

I get off the train (1.5 hours away) and he wasn't there. The feeling that came over me was awful. I called him and he lost track of time. He picked me up and being the person I am, quickly let it go. When I arrived at his house, it was clear that he wanted to impress me with the atmosphere.

It would have been cool if the date started 'on time' than me internally thinking to myself, 'oh shit'.

Aug 15 14 10:00 pm Link

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D A N I

Posts: 4627

Little Rock, Arkansas, US

Lohkee wrote:

Be very very happy that you've never worked for me. I've very happily gone to some extremes to help employees in a bind. I've also shit-canned them without a second thought for being late. Clock time, BTW, has NOTHING to do with being ON TIME.

It has everything to do with my pay check though. Unless that extra 10 minutes of sitting in the parking lot wasting gas will be added to my pay check then I'll spend it else where

One reason I left the clock punching world

Aug 15 14 11:21 pm Link

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GK photo

Posts: 31025

Laguna Beach, California, US

i'll admit it. when i saw the thread title, i was like "mousseline is at it again."

and i'm always early to appointments. i learned 'vince lombardi time' as a 5yo, and it stuck. unfortunately, i can't set my smartphone clock to 15 minutes ahead. now i have to do that math in my head. tongue

i hate not being able to wear a watch anymore.

Aug 16 14 12:35 am Link

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D-Light

Posts: 629

Newcastle, Limerick, Ireland

I'm very seldom late and when I am it's almost always out of my control, for example, road works or an accident delaying traffic. I try to be about 15 to 20 minutes early. This gives me a cushion, in the event of something unexpected happening.

My ex wife liked to be late. She loved the idea of people waiting for her and then making the grand entrance. It was the cause of many arguments and one night when I complained, she asked why I didn't go away without her, so I did. It's a bit odd turning up an your in-laws, without you wife and her arriving on an hour and a half later, by taxi but it got the point across. I did it twice more and after that she was almost always ready on time, especially if it had something to do with her family.

I don't mind people being a little late or only late once in a while, anything can happen and delay them but someone who is late all the time shows no respect for the people he's meeting.

Aug 16 14 05:19 am Link

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jan janx

Posts: 18

Camborne-Redruth, England, United Kingdom

i think any model or photographer should be on time, it's only right and proper, leave enough time to get to your appointment on time, not a good thing to be late, that goes for any job

Aug 16 14 05:37 am Link

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Cherrystone

Posts: 37171

Columbus, Ohio, US

Alabaster Crowley wrote:

That's bullshit for 99% of hourly jobs. You're not even allowed to clock in more than 5 minutes early.

You must not have worked many hourly jobs.

Aug 16 14 07:35 am Link

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Looknsee Photography

Posts: 26342

Portland, Oregon, US

Koryn wrote:
For the most part, I HATE when people are late. When you make plans with a friend, and they show up 30 minutes late, they're basically just shitting on you, unless there's some really, really genuine reason (like they stepped in dog shit on the way out the door, then had to go wash their shoes, then forgot their wallet next to sink and had to go back and get it).

When I lived in North Carolina, time was totally arbitrary.

Reminds me of a story -- I went to grad school in UNC (Chapel Hill, NC).  There was a day when a recruiter from a great company was on campus conducting interviews, and everyone in the department signed up.  At the time, I lived in a farmhouse a few miles out of town.

The day didn't start well.  First, it was a rare snowstorm in N.C., and the roads were closed, basically because people would simply stop their cars in the middle of the road & just walked home.  Well, having lived in northern New England, I was prepared for snow -- I dressed in interview clothes from the waist up and snow hiking clothes from the waist down.  Then, as I walked through the darkened kitchen, I actually step on a mouse & killed it -- that was a bad omen.

Still, I hiked it into school and made it to the interview on time.  The interviewer was having a bad day, too -- everybody else canceled on him (or just didn't show up).  I saw that he was having a bad day; I was having a bad day, so I got him out of the boring room and took him on a tour of our lab & showed him my pretty spectacular thesis (involving vibrating mirrors).  We had a great time together.  And I showed the guy that I could handle obstacles.

I got invited out for an interview, got the job, was pretty successful, and retired early, before I was 50.

Just goes to show you -- turning up (on time) is more than half the battle.

Aug 16 14 08:56 am Link

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Koryn

Posts: 39496

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Alabaster Crowley wrote:
That's bullshit for 99% of hourly jobs. You're not even allowed to clock in more than 5 minutes early.

Cherrystone wrote:
You must not have worked many hourly jobs.

The hourly "clock in" type jobs I've had, you had to wait until the computer said EXACTLY the time you were scheduled for, and then you could punch in.

For example, if you were scheduled to begin work at 10am, if you got into the office and the clock said 9:58, you had to wait two minutes to actually punch in and start your day. You couldn't just do it when you got there.

I had several jobs like that. The primary reason was that they did not want people who were working like 34 hours per week already, just shy of full time, to somehow sneak around clocking in early here and there so that it looked like they were actually full full time, meaning they'd have to get offered benefits by the company. That was a HUGE no-no. If you were scheduled for 34 hours, you could not work more than 34 hours, and if someone called out and they needed a fill-in staff, they'd call in the 16 year old kid who only got 8 hours per week anyway.

I also worked part-time in a group home like that in 2009, for awhile. They were nazis about getting ONLY paid for the time you were supposed to be on the schedule. Not even fifteen minutes over.

Also, the manager at a store where I worked for a couple of years in college had to take a lot of crap from the regional manager if there was more than like 5 hours of overtime pay divvied out per pay period. I remember we had one Christmas where we were perpetually understaffed, and had to do inventory, and I actually got some where around 55 hours for one week, and made overtime pay, and it about blew my mind. I'm sure the boss got chewed out for it, but hey, there was just no one else to work.

Aug 16 14 09:26 am Link

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MN Photography

Posts: 1432

Chicago, Illinois, US

There is more to a job than just clocking in.  I've owned businesses with hourly employees.  People are just about never ready to work the moment that they walk in the door.   

For example, I used to have an employee that we called Miss Bare Minimum because she made something of an art form of the doing the bare minimum amount of work required to keep her job.  She needed to clock in at 10AM, so she timed her commute so she would walk in the door at 9:59.  After clocking in at 10, she would start her daily routine of personal, but paid rituals beginning with a ten minute stay in the bathroom immediately after clocking in.  Then the 5-10 minute preparation of her first cup of coffee and organizing her purse followed up by a personal phone call or two.  It was unusual that she did any actual work before about 10:20. 

Taking time to decompress from a commute and taking care of personal business before clocking in is one of the reasons that employers like to see people show up 10 or 15 minutes early.

Aug 16 14 10:04 am Link

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Lohkee

Posts: 14028

Maricopa, Arizona, US

Danielle Reid wrote:

It has everything to do with my pay check though. Unless that extra 10 minutes of sitting in the parking lot wasting gas will be added to my pay check then I'll spend it else where

One reason I left the clock punching world

Well, I disagree. Even freelancers can easily loose clients by not being punctual. Loosing clients affects your paycheck, right?

Aug 16 14 10:14 am Link

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DougBPhoto

Posts: 39248

Portland, Oregon, US

Koryn wrote:

Alabaster Crowley wrote:
That's bullshit for 99% of hourly jobs. You're not even allowed to clock in more than 5 minutes early.

The hourly "clock in" type jobs I've had, you had to wait until the computer said EXACTLY the time you were scheduled for, and then you could punch in.

For example, if you were scheduled to begin work at 10am, if you got into the office and the clock said 9:58, you had to wait two minutes to actually punch in and start your day. You couldn't just do it when you got there.

I had several jobs like that. The primary reason was that they did not want people who were working like 34 hours per week already, just shy of full time, to somehow sneak around clocking in early here and there so that it looked like they were actually full full time, meaning they'd have to get offered benefits by the company. That was a HUGE no-no. If you were scheduled for 34 hours, you could not work more than 34 hours, and if someone called out and they needed a fill-in staff, they'd call in the 16 year old kid who only got 8 hours per week anyway.

I also worked part-time in a group home like that in 2009, for awhile. They were nazis about getting ONLY paid for the time you were supposed to be on the schedule. Not even fifteen minutes over.

Also, the manager at a store where I worked for a couple of years in college had to take a lot of crap from the regional manager if there was more than like 5 hours of overtime pay divvied out per pay period. I remember we had one Christmas where we were perpetually understaffed, and had to do inventory, and I actually got some where around 55 hours for one week, and made overtime pay, and it about blew my mind. I'm sure the boss got chewed out for it, but hey, there was just no one else to work.

Yes, those types of attitudes are more common...

however, I don't recall that being what the original post was about....  I might have missed it, but I never saw anything about hourly employees.

So, hell yeah, unfortunately that IS a very common employer attitude in the last 15+ years, but as I mentioned to AC, that wasn't really what was being discussed, and certainly was not the point of the quote I shared.

Aug 16 14 10:21 am Link

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Paolo D Photography

Posts: 11502

San Francisco, California, US

MDWM wrote:
People who are habitually late have no regard for other people's time. I can't work with them.

This.

I dislike people who have no regard for others.
Whenever I'm running late I just start driving faster.
Speeding helps make up time. Also cutting corners by skidding through gas stations help.

Occasionally I'll crash through a giant plate glass window 2 men are carrying across the street, or hit an oddly placed fruit stand, narrowly missing an old lady or a baby stroller. But no one gets hurts.

Sometimes I'll show up looking all cool and casual eating a banana or apple I found on the hood of my car.
But, I'm never late.

Aug 16 14 10:34 am Link