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Photographer

East West

Posts: 847

Los Angeles, California, US

Garry k wrote:

No , are you an astronaut ?

Astronaut? How did you know?

I took the liberty to look at your portfolio and your problems are consistent with these. There are 5 quick fixes that will improve your photography tenfold.

Aug 18 14 10:37 am Link

Photographer

Garry k

Posts: 30130

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

MDWM wrote:

Astronaut? How did you know?

I took the liberty to look at your portfolio and your problems are consistent with these. There are 5 quick fixes that will improve your photography tenfold.

Do You use these quick fixes yourself ?

Aug 18 14 12:00 pm Link

Photographer

Rob Photosby

Posts: 4810

Brisbane, Queensland, Australia

RTE Photography wrote:
Yes she is female and topless, but she looks like she would rather be elsewhere.

That pretty much sums it up.  No amount of retouching or fiddling with focus can compensate for the dead look in the model's eyes.

Aug 18 14 04:05 pm Link

Photographer

Justin Matthews

Posts: 1546

Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

Garry k wrote:
I thought they looked good enough as is but I will rework them

Is good enough......good enough, why put up something in your port that you only believe is good enough, not perfect in your eyes. That philosophy doesn't do anything for your port or hers. But I agree with others no3 is the one out of the four.

Aug 18 14 04:14 pm Link

Photographer

Garry k

Posts: 30130

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Justin Matthews wrote:

Is good enough......good enough, why put up something in your port that you only believe is good enough, not perfect in your eyes. That philosophy doesn't do anything for your port or hers. But I agree with others no3 is the one out of the four.

Good enough as a basis for requesting critique - and of course fine tuning the shots

Aug 18 14 05:39 pm Link

Photographer

J O H N A L L A N

Posts: 12221

Los Angeles, California, US

I'm assuming these "agency models" you've been posting are the result of testing - so I'm curious, what is the booker's reaction when you return to him/her with the likes of images you typically post and put in your MM portfolio? Or are you paying these models independently and their agency never sees the images. I can't imagine a booker not freaking out over the quality.

Aug 18 14 08:02 pm Link

Photographer

Garry k

Posts: 30130

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

J O H N  A L L A N wrote:
I'm assuming these "agency models" you've been posting are the result of testing - so I'm curious, what is the booker's reaction when you return to him/her with the likes of images you typically post and put in your MM portfolio? Or are you paying these models independently and their agency never sees the images. I can't imagine a booker not freaking out over the quality.

Before I decided to get my own ( nude free ) website I'd shown my MM port to some agencies here including one of the top 2 here- and the only negative feedback I got from her was that I really need to work with a stylist . I am fine with that agents assessment but good stylists ( who will work on a collaborative and creative basis ) are hard to find where I live ( way harder than good models , or good MUAs )

I have tested ( paid and unpaid ) for a couple of midrange agencies in my city - and quickly discovered that I had little interest in doing such as they demand too much and do not appreciate glamour or nudes ( it's pretty conservative here overall )

I would much rather arrange ( directly )  to shoot what I want to shoot with local agency models who I meet in the local fashion scene and  are free to work outside their agency contracts .(Of course not every agency model is - but there are enough of them)  17 of the models you see in my port ( excluding the runway shots ) fall into this category-

Aug 18 14 08:40 pm Link

Photographer

Garry k

Posts: 30130

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

I think at this point I am done with this thread

Thank You to all that contributed

and I have taken some of your suggestions to heart in reworking the images

smile

Aug 18 14 09:27 pm Link

Photographer

J E W E T T

Posts: 2545

al-Marsā, Tunis, Tunisia

Garry k wrote:

Do You use these quick fixes yourself ?

Gary, people are trying to help you.
I remember in 2009, when I first joined this site, one of the first things I read was a critique post where people told you the same thing.

Something is going on with how models look at you, and it comes out in your port, in nearly every shoot.

Read that again.

You've had this problem and you've known about it since at least 2009.

Why haven't you changed whatever it is you are doing? 

Why do you keep asking for critiques, and then get defensive or criticize those telling you the truth?

Do you really want to improve?  Really?

Aug 20 14 12:29 pm Link

Model

Blaire_

Posts: 343

Portland, Oregon, US

I'm going to be somewhat blunt.  I study body language and consider myself very good at it.  From what I read in these photos, the model either hates you, or you are are over directing her.  (I think it's the latter)  You should trust professionals to do what they do.  I know when I am being over directed, the photos are some of my worst.  I am so much better at posing than photographers are at posing people.  That's true for most professional models. 

Ggive it a try and encourage her personality to come out.  Resist the urge to over direct.  Be fun and likable and she will feel at ease enough to show you her personality. 

Check out the work of Jorge Kriemer from LA.  He doesn't care about hair or makeup.  He has a simple setup, but his photos are simply amazing.  He is trying to capture raw emotion and each model's unique personality.  He does a damn fine job of it too.  Compare side by side and see the difference.

This will only work if you're honest with yourself about your work, and how you are connecting with your models.  The technical ability is there.  I think your photos can improve a ton just by how you are interacting with the models.

Can't wait to see the results!

Aug 21 14 12:21 am Link