Dynamic Eye Studios wrote:
Who is vegan on Model Mayhem?

So, do you exclude strict vegetarians?

Is this exclusively for strict vegans?

Just checking if I, as a vegetarian is allowed in here or not.

Dynamic Eye Studios wrote:
This would be the correct thread for vegetarians.

https://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thre … 200&page=7

Well... that's not really the only thread... I started vegetarian/vegan recipe threads over the years myself.

But, yeah... better you guys stay among yourselves!

udor wrote:

Well... that's not really the only thread... I started vegetarian/vegan recipe threads over the years myself.

But, yeah... better you guys stay among yourselves!

As a vegetarian I +1 this statement.

Jules NYC wrote:


Sorry, I'm not vegan.

I love watching this one... so hilarious!

udor wrote:
But, yeah... better you guys stay among yourselves!

You are not pure enough!

ernst tischler wrote:
There was a printed sign in the window of a local 24hr diner that went something like this...

"Attention Militant Vegans: this is not the place for you!"

I was in a coffee shop once, like 8 years ago when I lived in the Southeast, where I witnessed a grown-ass man having a total shit fit
because the coffee bar had soymilk only, but not rice milk. He felt it was disrespectful to vegans, and was exploding all over the teenage girl at the counter who was just doing her job, about how the establishment's owners were disenfranchising animals, all types of bull.

Now, this wouldn't have been quite so awful had there not been a completely vegan restaurant, coffee bar, and bakery directly across the street.

At that time, I'd been a strict vegetarian for many years, did not wear leather, or the like, and still wanted to punch that guy in the face.

Delia Mak wrote:
Noel is vegan

I think this is considered "outing".
its against the rules or something

Vintagevista wrote:
OP. - since you are new here - and apparently new to open forums - perhaps the best way to make a thread immortal is to make it clear who is NOT allowed to post in "Your" thread.  That'll bring em running.....

I've edited the thread to allow everyone to post here according to your wise words.

I respect you all as masters of your craft (your portfolios are amazing) just like I love all my family members and friends who are not vegan.

We all have so much to learn.

Dynamic Eye Studios wrote:
I've found this quite resourceful and inspiring!

https://www.facebook.com/vgirlsvguys

That's a cool group!

You might also enjoy my little FB group Vegetarian Lifestyles

Facebook screwed with my FB profile, a month ago... and forced me to convert into a page... so... I've lost every single post I've even made on FB, including in my group... which had a lot of resources for the veggie lifestyles, including health articles, research, debunking of all kinds of myths about plant based diets.

It's a non-militant group and provides info to vegetarians and vegans alike.

udor wrote:

That's a cool group!

You might also enjoy my little FB group Vegetarian Lifestyles

Facebook screwed with my FB profile, a month ago... and forced me to convert into a page... so... I've lost every single post I've even made on FB, including in my group... which had a lot of resources for the veggie lifestyles, including health articles, research, debunking of all kinds of myths about plant based diets.

It's a non-militant group and provides info to vegetarians and vegans alike.

It's actually just a page run by Melissa Schwartz of https://www.facebook.com/schwartzstudios

That's too bad to hear you lost all your posts. A fellow colleague of mine lost many of his posts after he sued facebook for using one of his photos in a advertisement.

Wynd Mulysa wrote:
i haven't seen cowspiracy, or even heard of it really, but i have been vegan for almost ten years.
i was vegetarian before that for a year and a half, and then i found out that being vegetarian for animal rights is pointless.  .

Cowspiracy is a new production that is currently screening all over the Bay Area. Here is the next one that Is close to you. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ … 3900648105

I saw it at VegFest in Santa Rosa. They had 900 attendees, at the festival, it was so much bigger than Berkeley Vegan Earth Day!

I once heard: people that consume dairy products are genetically modified to process it. Unlike people in Asia. So I've been a mutant for most of my life :-( This could create an interesting and provacative ad campain! XD

Call Me Caitlin wrote:
Fun fact (that many vegans do not like):

That "fact" might be "fun", but it is also misleading.

Although there might be truth to it... at last... humans started to have meat in their diet a very long time ago... the amount of meat they had was very, very small, less than a side dish and necessary for survival.

Dr. Warinner, an anthropologist, is on the forefront of paleolithic diet research and the first one who is investigating the plaque residue on human/oid teeth... and the findings were that almost all of the diets they had were plant based and only a very small part was meat.

Debunking the paleo diet: Christina Warinner

There is absolutely no comparison to the daily meat consumption, especially here in the US, not even talking about the negative effects of factory farming on our biology and environment.

Another researcher found that ancient civilizations whose peasantry was on a starch/fruit based diet with only occasional (once a week or a month... "special occasion") had very healthy body constitutions... while the rich of the societies, the kings and queens, who, as a sign of their wealth had a meat based diet, similar to the modern US diet, had the same health as modern man in the US... diabetes, goiter, high blood pressure, cancers... all signs of obesity, started as being recorded in Egypt... and reflected the same way in medieval Europe... the starch/vegetable based diet was and is the healthier alternative, while the diet of Kings and Queens leads to many illnesses.

The food we were born to eat: John McDougall

It is also interesting to note that many of the ancient philosophers and scientists... exactly those people who actually defined much of modern civilization, democracy, mathematics, philosophy and the arts, were vegetarians.

Call Me Caitlin wrote:
Fun fact (that many vegans do not like):

Fire and learning to cook helped evolve humans from hominids. When our ancestors learned to cook, they produced food that was more energy efficient, had more bioavailability and was easier to digest. Cooking meat increases the bioavailability of the protein and micronutrients.

Cooked foods provides more energy and because of this, our ancestors no longer needed to hunt and gather all day. Since our ancestors no longer needed to hunt and gather all day, they had more time for other things, like socializing with one another. Cooked foods and developing skills (like social skills) is what made the brain bigger, according to science. A stronger brain needed a higher calorie diet, and that's what cooked food provided.

Do you realize not all vegans are raw?

Dynamic Eye Studios wrote:
I learned that for every 1 gallon of milk it takes 1000 gallons of water to produce it amongst many other devastating facts.

even assuming that they got that figure from a legitimate, unbiased source, i don't see how that's "devasting". it takes about 1000 liters of water to produce a liter of apple juice or a pound of rice or soy.

Alabaster Crowley wrote:

Do you realize not all vegans are raw?

You're missing the point.

udor wrote:

That "fact" might be "fun", but it is also misleading.

Although there might be truth to it... at last... humans started to have meat in their diet a very long time ago... the amount of meat they had was very, very small, less than a side dish and necessary for survival.

Dr. Warinner, an anthropologist, is on the forefront of paleolithic diet research and the first one who is investigating the plaque residue on human/oid teeth... and the findings were that almost all of the diets they had were plant based and only a very small part was meat.

Debunking the paleo diet: Christina Warinner

There is absolutely no comparison to the daily meat consumption, especially here in the US, not even talking about the negative effects of factory farming on our biology and environment.

Another researcher found that ancient civilizations whose peasantry was on a starch/fruit based diet with only occasional (once a week or a month... "special occasion") had very healthy body constitutions... while the rich of the societies, the kings and queens, who, as a sign of their wealth had a meat based diet, similar to the modern US diet, had the same health as modern man in the US... diabetes, goiter, high blood pressure, cancers... all signs of obesity, started as being recorded in Egypt... and reflected the same way in medieval Europe... the starch/vegetable based diet was and is the healthier alternative, while the diet of Kings and Queens leads to many illnesses.

The food we were born to eat: John McDougall

It is also interesting to note that many of the ancient philosophers and scientists... exactly those people who actually defined much of modern civilization, democracy, mathematics, philosophy and the arts, were vegetarians.

Interesting point. Thank you for citing your sources.

I read an article recently that said vegetarians/vegans are less healthy than omnivores, which I thought was interesting because vegheads are presumed to be healthier than their omnivore counterparts.

source 1
source 2

Call Me Caitlin wrote:

Interesting point. Thank you for citing your sources.

I read an article recently that said vegetarians/vegans are less healthy than omnivores, which I thought was interesting because vegheads are presumed to be healthier than their omnivore counterparts.

source 1
source 2

In my own online searches I found this video, it's pretty long but informative on why vegetarians and vegans are eating unhealthy. It gives tips on what omnivores, vegetarians and vegans can do to improve their diets.
Dr Michael Greger - 40 Year Vegan Dies of a Heart Attack! New research on Omega-3's and B12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFFWstlfDRk

Call Me Caitlin wrote:

You're missing the point.

Because your point was invalid! Sorry.

udor wrote:
It is also interesting to note that many of the ancient philosophers and scientists... exactly those people who actually defined much of modern civilization, democracy, mathematics, philosophy and the arts, were vegetarians.

Can you give examples?

Alabaster Crowley wrote:
Can you give examples?

Sure... I did the easy way out and copy and paste what came up in a Google search. If there are one or two (or three) who might be disputed (I don't know... just covering my ass), it still won't invalidate the rest of the confirmed people...

Vegetarians in History
If you were to list every famous vegetarian, you would fill a large city's phone book. Here are a few particularly notable ones.

Pythagoras
580 – 500 BC
Greek mathematician and philosopher

Plato
428 – 347 BC
Greek philosopher

Plutarch
46 – 120 BC
Greek philosopher and biographer

St. Frances of Assisi
1182 – 1226
Italian founder of Franciscan order of friars

Leonardo da Vinci
1452 – 1519
Italian painter, architect and engineer
"One day the world will look upon research upon animals as it now looks upon research on human beings."

Martin Luther
1483 – 1546
German church reformer; founder of Protestantism

Sir Isaac Newton
1642 – 1727
English physicist and mathematician

Voltaire
1694 – 1778
French writer

John Wesley
1703 – 1791
English founder of Methodism

Benjamin Franklin
1706 – 1790
US scientist and diplomat; inventor of the lightning conductor

Ralph Waldo Emerson
1803 – 1882
US philosopher, essayist and poet

Hans Christian Andersen
1805 – 1875
Danish writer of fairy tales

Charlotte Bronte
1816 – 1855
English writer; author of Jane Eyre

Henry David Thoreau
1817 – 1862
US writer; back-to-nature exponent

Susan B. Anthony
1820 – 1906
US feminist and anti-slavery campaigner

Leo Tolstoy
1828 – 1910
Russian novelist; author of War and Peace
"A human can be healthy without killing animals for food. Therefore if he eats meat he participates in taking animal life merely for the sake of his appetite."

Vincent Van Gogh
1853 – 1890
Dutch Post-Impressionist painter

George Bernard Shaw
1856 - 1950
Irish dramatist, novelist and socialist
"It is nearly fifty years since I was assured by a conclave of doctors that if I did not eat meat I should die of starvation." (He lived a healthy life and died aged 94.)

Henry Ford
1863 – 1947
US car manufacturer

Mahatma Gandhi
1869 – 1948
Indian nationalist leader and advocate of non-violence

Albert Schweitzer
1875 – 1965
French theologian, missionary and Nobel Peace Prize winner

Albert Einstein
1879 – 1955
Swiss-German scientist; author of the theories of relativity
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."

H.G. Wells
1886 – 1946
English science fiction writer

Tony Benn
1925 - 2014
British socialist politician

March 2003

udor wrote:
snip

Awesome.

sweetcheekscouture wrote:
On Leonardo Davinci

http://arthistory.about.com/od/leonardo … tarian.htm

In conclusion, "idk."

Alabaster Crowley wrote:

In conclusion, "idk."

He ate cheese and eggs, Used animal hair brushes ( they did not have synthetic brushes back then)

" . . . Make no mistake: this is not an indictment of veganism. However, it is impossible to claim that Leonardo da Vinci was a vegan.

Setting aside the fact that the term wasn't even coined until 1944, Leonardo ate cheese, eggs and honey, and drank wine. More than that, all of the grains, fruits and vegetables he ingested were grown using animal inputs (read: manure) for soil fertility. It is a fact that synthetic fertilizers would not be invented until far into the future, and would not be widely used until the second half of the 20th-century.

Additionally, we have to consider what he wore and what he used to create art. Leonardo did not have access to polyurethane footwear, for one thing. His brushes were animal products: sable or hog hairs attached to quills. He drew on vellum, which is the specially-tanned skin of calves, kids, and lambs. Sepia, a deep reddish brown pigment, comes from the ink sac of the cuttlefish -- and no, the cuttlefish's ink sac isn't "milked" in a catch-and-release exercise. Even the simple paint, tempera, is made with eggs."

http://arthistory.about.com/od/leonardo … tarian.htm

and you check out the cites

Looks pretty black and white to me.

He may have eschewed eating meat but he definitely was not a militant vegan and at best was a  lacto-ovo vegetarian except for the part about the Brushes and the vellum, and the paint.