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Photographer

ImOutOfHere

Posts: 2227

New York, New York, US

On my laptop, in Photoshop, his skin doesn't look red at all.  If anything the colors are a tiny bit muted.  But once it goes to my cell he is lobster red.  I have looked at the pictures on someone else's phone before and they usually match the look on my cellphone.  BLAH!  Let me know what you see.  Thanks!

EDIT:  If you can, please view it in Photoshop as well and let me know what you see.  Thanks!

ORIGINAL PHOTOSHOPPED VERSION (Fixed Lips)
https://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y508/YajhilAlvarez/IMG_0037Mine_zpsf04b8f18.jpg

HOW MY CELL PHONE SEES IT - While looking at my cell phone, I adjusted the saturation on my computer screen to match what I see on my cell.  This is the simulated difference.  A +17 difference which is huge.
https://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y508/YajhilAlvarez/rt_zps7fd377ad.jpg

Sep 18 14 01:04 pm Link

Photographer

SF Valley Photo

Posts: 416

Burbank, California, US

Viewing from my iPad and he doesn't seem red to me.

Sep 18 14 01:09 pm Link

Photographer

ImOutOfHere

Posts: 2227

New York, New York, US

Erick Blink wrote:
Viewing from my iPad and he doesn't seem red to me.

Thanks!

Sep 18 14 01:13 pm Link

Photographer

J O H N A L L A N

Posts: 12221

Los Angeles, California, US

I'm looking at it on a calibrated screen.
I didn't bring it up in photoshop and actually check the red levels, but... I don't know about red - but it is VERY saturated, not muted at all.

Sep 18 14 01:14 pm Link

Photographer

ImOutOfHere

Posts: 2227

New York, New York, US

J O H N  A L L A N wrote:
I'm looking at it on a calibrated screen.
I didn't bring it up in photoshop and actually check the red levels, but... I don't know about red - but it is VERY saturated, not muted at all.

I for sure did pump up certain colors, I mentioned muted because I usually make things pop a lot more, I just want to make sure he doesn't look like a lobster.  What I see on my cell phone scares me sometimes.  Thanks for the help!

Sep 18 14 01:18 pm Link

Photographer

Stephoto Photography

Posts: 20158

Amherst, Massachusetts, US

He def. looks red to me on my computer screen and iPad. Not lobsterish, but redder than muted. Don't know if that helps...

Sep 18 14 01:29 pm Link

Photographer

ImOutOfHere

Posts: 2227

New York, New York, US

SPierce Photography wrote:
He def. looks red to me on my computer screen and iPad. Not lobsterish, but redder than muted. Don't know if that helps...

Abnormally red or just a little red?  I took a cell phone screenshot of my cell phone screen and then e-mailed it to myself thinking maybe it would retain the redness that bugs me, but that was stupid, that did not work.  Once I sent it to myself and opened it up it looked fine lol.  I'm not too bright apparently.

Sep 18 14 01:34 pm Link

Photographer

rfordphotos

Posts: 8866

Antioch, California, US

on my calibrated monitor(for what its worth):

too contrasty, too saturated.

this is what drives me nuts smile  We work our asses off to get the look we want, release these shots into the "wild" and who knows what the viewer is actually seeing.

Sep 18 14 01:43 pm Link

Photographer

ImOutOfHere

Posts: 2227

New York, New York, US

rfordphotos wrote:
on my calibrated monitor(for what its worth):

too contrasty, too saturated.

this is what drives me nuts smile  We work our asses off to get the look we want, release these shots into the "wild" and who knows what the viewer is actually seeing.

It drives me nuts because on my screen it looks exactly how I want it to.  When u print my work it looks exactly like my screen.  But when I see it on my cell or some cells, things look crazy so yeah, I never know.

Sep 18 14 02:00 pm Link

Photographer

Stephoto Photography

Posts: 20158

Amherst, Massachusetts, US

Yajhil Alvarez wrote:

Abnormally red or just a little red?  I took a cell phone screenshot of my cell phone screen and then e-mailed it to myself thinking maybe it would retain the redness that bugs me, but that was stupid, that did not work.  Once I sent it to myself and opened it up it looked fine lol.  I'm not too bright apparently.

Abnormally red, i'd wager... he also looks like he was pink lipstick on... bring the saturation down a bit and see how it looks?

Sep 18 14 02:52 pm Link

Photographer

Lallure Photographic

Posts: 2086

Taylors, South Carolina, US

The original image looks fine, but the cellphone image has a contrast gain of some significance. Thus the reddish look.

Sep 18 14 03:26 pm Link

Photographer

Jay2G Photography

Posts: 2570

Highland, Michigan, US

He does not look red on my screen. But it looks like he has lipstick on if that matters.

Sep 18 14 04:06 pm Link

Photographer

ImOutOfHere

Posts: 2227

New York, New York, US

Thanks everyone.  Now that some of you have mentioned it, his lips do look a bit too saturated which is weird because I didn't do anything to them individually.  Gonna have to tone them down when I get home.  Thanks again!

Sep 18 14 04:24 pm Link

Photographer

Rob Photosby

Posts: 4810

Brisbane, Queensland, Australia

My monitor is calibrated and neither photo looks red, but both look over-saturated to the point where your model has unnaturally pink lips.

Sep 18 14 04:53 pm Link

Photographer

Zack Zoll

Posts: 6895

Glens Falls, New York, US

It's red. And maybe a little bit yellow too ... Hard to tell until the red is gone.

If this is a Canon shot, try desaturating your reds a little, and shifting them a little into orange territory. If this isn't a Canon shot, then it's just off.

That's assuming you want it truly neutral though.

Sep 18 14 04:58 pm Link

Photographer

ImOutOfHere

Posts: 2227

New York, New York, US

Rob Photosby wrote:
My monitor is calibrated and neither photo looks red, but both look over-saturated to the point where your model has unnaturally pink lips.

I'm gonna have to tone the lips down and maybe his skin color a little when I get home.  Thanks!

Sep 18 14 04:58 pm Link

Photographer

ImOutOfHere

Posts: 2227

New York, New York, US

Zack Zoll wrote:
It's red. And maybe a little bit yellow too ... Hard to tell until the red is gone.

If this is a Canon shot, try desaturating your reds a little, and shifting them a little into orange territory. If this isn't a Canon shot, then it's just off.

That's assuming you want it truly neutral though.

Yeah I shot it Canon, raw, and then messed with it a little in Lightroom before I opened it in Photoshop.  I don't like neutral colors.  I do like to saturate things a bit but this image on my phone looks crazy but on my computer it's not as saturated as what I usually do which is weird.  I'm for sure going to tone it down a little, specially the lips.  Thank you!

Sep 18 14 05:03 pm Link

Model

Caitin Bre

Posts: 2687

Apache Junction, Arizona, US

My screen is calibrated and I don't see too much red. The second picture is too saturated and the 1st looks to be just a hint to much saturation.But not enough to be wrong. Lips are a little pinkish though. 
Could be more of a personal preference though.

Sep 18 14 05:22 pm Link

Photographer

Fred Greissing

Posts: 6427

Los Angeles, California, US

Looking at it with a calibrated Eizo.

Looks redish/yellow in Chrome. Looks like he has lipstick.

Copy and pasted to new file in photoshop colors look far more natural

Sep 18 14 05:30 pm Link

Photographer

ImOutOfHere

Posts: 2227

New York, New York, US

Fred Greissing wrote:
Looking at it with a calibrated Eizo.

Looks redish/yellow in Chrome. Looks like he has lipstick.

Copy and pasted to new file in photoshop colors look far more natural

Yes!  That's the confusing part.  In Photoshop it all looks normal.  I don't understand the discrepancy at all.

Sep 18 14 05:58 pm Link

Photographer

ImOutOfHere

Posts: 2227

New York, New York, US

Caitin Bre  wrote:
My screen is calibrated and I don't see too much red. The second picture is too saturated and the 1st looks to be just a hint to much saturation.But not enough to be wrong. Lips are a little pinkish though. 
Could be more of a personal preference though.

On my phone, the first is a little too saturated and his lips are pink.  The second one is a mess.  On my laptop and in Photoshop it looks good.  You viewed it only here?  Let me know.  Thanks!

Sep 18 14 06:02 pm Link

Photographer

Llobet Photography

Posts: 4915

Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US

Yes, the second one does look redder than the first one.
I have firefox and photoshop.  Looks the same in both.

Sep 18 14 06:05 pm Link

Photographer

NothingIsRealButTheGirl

Posts: 35726

Los Angeles, California, US

https://jfrancis.smugmug.com/photos/i-FNNgTqD/0/O/i-FNNgTqD.jpg

Second looks redder than first, and both look more muted in Photoshop

Sep 18 14 06:11 pm Link

Photographer

Nico Simon Princely

Posts: 1972

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Almost nothing will ever look the way it does when you leave Photoshop.

If it's on the web all of the browsers have their own color profiles and pallets.

Try looking at it through, Chrome. Fire Fox, Safari and IE (The most saturated of them all.) I'm sure cellphones will also look different. And then don't forget that your clients monitor will not be calibrated like yours.

There is no way to win this game. Only in a physical print will it look the same to everyone (except for each person also perceiving color slightly different) if your prints did a good job.

Sep 18 14 06:12 pm Link

Photographer

Nico Simon Princely

Posts: 1972

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:
https://jfrancis.smugmug.com/photos/i-FNNgTqD/0/O/i-FNNgTqD.jpg

Second looks redder than first, and both look more muted in Photoshop

It's the browser color profile that's making the difference. However when I put the file by dragging into photoshop I got the saturated look. So maybe something is up with my settings also.

Sep 18 14 06:13 pm Link

Photographer

Motordrive Photography

Posts: 7087

Lodi, California, US

J O H N  A L L A N wrote:
I'm looking at it on a calibrated screen.
I didn't bring it up in photoshop and actually check the red levels, but... I don't know about red - but it is VERY saturated, not muted at all.

I didn't save to view in PS, but this is what I see also. My first idea is to look
at the channels.

A common thing that I also have to be mindful of is the highlights
should have less saturation, not more.

Sep 18 14 06:14 pm Link

Photographer

NothingIsRealButTheGirl

Posts: 35726

Los Angeles, California, US

Actually this is weird.

If I drag it to my desktop and then onto the Photoshop icon it opens up redder and matches the MM look.

If I already have Photoshop open and I drag it from the MM thread to already open Photoshop it's muted.

Sep 18 14 06:15 pm Link

Photographer

Nico Simon Princely

Posts: 1972

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:
Actually this is weird.

If I drag it to my desktop and then onto the Photoshop icon it opens up redder.

If I already have Photoshop open and I drag it from the MM thread to already open Photoshop it's muted.

I dragged directly into photoshop and I got more red and saturation also.

Sep 18 14 06:16 pm Link

Photographer

ImOutOfHere

Posts: 2227

New York, New York, US

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:
https://jfrancis.smugmug.com/photos/i-FNNgTqD/0/O/i-FNNgTqD.jpg

Second looks redder than first, and both look more muted in Photoshop

How did you get it to look normal you genius?  Did you desaturate it or did you just save it differently?

Sep 18 14 06:17 pm Link

Photographer

ImOutOfHere

Posts: 2227

New York, New York, US

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:
Actually this is weird.

If I drag it to my desktop and then onto the Photoshop icon it opens up redder and matches the MM look.

If I already have Photoshop open and I drag it from the MM thread to already open Photoshop it's muted.

Yeah I have been dealing with this for awhile but somehow you managed to get it to look exactly like it does on my laptop while in Photoshop.

Sep 18 14 06:26 pm Link

Photographer

Stephoto Photography

Posts: 20158

Amherst, Massachusetts, US

Is it a color profile thing possibly? With the way it's acting it almost sounds like a cmyk thing...

Sep 18 14 07:03 pm Link

Photographer

Zack Zoll

Posts: 6895

Glens Falls, New York, US

I can definitely see the yellow now.

PS is a colour managed application. Unless you're using Opera, your browser is not. Which doesn't much matter, because pretty much every on-site uploader is sRGB, in addition to every common mobile device. When you half-ass convert to sRGB like a host or a mobile device does, it often punches up the contrast and saturation ... Which also boosts red, since saturation affects red more than other colours.

You can try and fix this by converting to sRGB yourself ... But since so many people have screens that boost contrast and saturation(mobile devices do this so you can see them better), I just reduce those things before I upload. One file for uploading, one for printing.

Sep 18 14 07:06 pm Link

Photographer

DOUGLASFOTOS

Posts: 10604

Los Angeles, California, US

Are we allowed to change your photo...and post it here?

Sep 18 14 07:12 pm Link

Photographer

ImOutOfHere

Posts: 2227

New York, New York, US

DOUGLASFOTOS wrote:
Are we allowed to change your photo...and post it here?

Yes, I don't have a problem with that.  Someone posted a screenshot and it looks exactly how I want it to look.  I need to get it to that myself.

Sep 18 14 07:32 pm Link

Photographer

ImOutOfHere

Posts: 2227

New York, New York, US

SPierce Photography wrote:
Is it a color profile thing possibly? With the way it's acting it almost sounds like a cmyk thing...

Yeah I use rgb.  I suspect I'm doing something wrong.

Sep 18 14 07:42 pm Link

Photographer

DOUGLASFOTOS

Posts: 10604

Los Angeles, California, US

Sep 18 14 07:45 pm Link

Photographer

mophotoart

Posts: 2118

Wichita, Kansas, US

the human eye changes with time...no matter what software you use, the viewer will see more red and orange as they get older...one aspect of it...the other is platform of the software of the meida...be more concerned about your market audience and how your monitor view and that media match...just like your printer and monitor need to be balanced if you do your own prints for clients..best of luck

Sep 18 14 08:01 pm Link

Photographer

studio36uk

Posts: 22898

Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna

mophotoart wrote:
the human eye changes with time...no matter what software you use, the viewer will see more red and orange as they get older...one aspect of it...the other is platform of the software of the meida...be more concerned about your market audience and how your monitor view and that media match...just like your printer and monitor need to be balanced if you do your own prints for clients..best of luck

Yup! Classic - - - your red is not the same as my red, your browser or viewing device [if it is calibrated at all] is not necessarily calibrated the same as my browser or viewing device.

https://studio36.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/red_and_red.jpg

Studio36

Sep 18 14 08:19 pm Link

Photographer

Zack Zoll

Posts: 6895

Glens Falls, New York, US

Do we see more red, or do we see less cyan? I know in an optical sense they are the same, but in PS or other applications where you can increase or decrease the saturation of a colour without affecting its opposite, it might make a difference.

Sep 19 14 08:43 am Link

Photographer

A-M-P

Posts: 18465

Orlando, Florida, US

He looks orange on my calibrated monitor and way over saturated

Sep 19 14 09:08 am Link