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too far or just another editorial?
http://blog.lonewolfmag.com/interview-p … isturbing/ Is this really that awful or just another party night scene? Would it be less controversial if the models were not wearing designer threads? the entire layout is here: http://fashionscansremastered.net/2014/ … ober-2014/ Shot by Fabien Baron you can see more of his stuff here: http://www.baron-baron.com/flash/2/flash.html Oct 25 14 01:53 pm Link I think I saw another thread on this here on MM, but don't remember where... I read the comments and criticism on that layout... and the comments of some people are just carrying the intent too war. From what I understand, that layout is supposed to depict elegant women, passed out in the street from partying too hard/having too much to drink/who partied hard. A "shock" way of showing the clothes... maybe the hard-partying luxury crowd is the target demographics. Now... the critics, constantly speak of the women as "victims", either as crime victims or sexual assault victims, where the sexual assault didn't happen yet, there is no indication in the photos that a rape or robbery is about to happen... but that's already happened in the minds of the critics, as no other possible outcome... Too much ado about nothing. Oct 25 14 02:08 pm Link I like it, but Melaine Pullen did it better: http://www.highfashioncrimescenes.com/ Oct 25 14 02:09 pm Link On one hand, I think it's kinda tasteless to glamorize something that can be really deadly or a serious problem for some people. That and the whole drunken skank thing just makes the whole thing look kinda trashy including the clothes so I'm not sure how it's good for promoting the line. On the other hand, getting black out drunk is perfectly legal and tons of people do it all the time and there's pictures of it all over the internet, it's not like they're shooting heroine. It's just kinda 'ick' to me like, 'come one you had to go there?' It just seems like one of those concepts that was done to push buttons or be edgy or something like that. I'm not really offended by it though. I just skimmed the article but the author seems to be kinda reaching for stuff to be upset about. They make it seems like the images could be of a girl that was drugged and raped/killed in a coke sex dungeon by some dude that likes PBR. Please. It's clear from the editorial title the chicks are just passed out drunk and the location is just to make it look grungy and gross, at least to me they're looking waaaay to much into random symbolism that isn't there. Oct 25 14 02:10 pm Link agree with all of you.. In LA I see this every week, and more importantly the folks who engage in this, do it repeatedly. At least (hopefully) they are not driving home in those states, most have Uber or Lyft on speed dial. How can this be more shocking than feeding kids bad food or high amounts of sugar and fats? Oct 25 14 02:18 pm Link Trashy & poor taste ...The Art director must be really "off" !!!! If these pics were meant to have shock value ....they initiate nothing but revulsion. Oct 25 14 02:25 pm Link There is another thread on this.......and as before, I don't think it is tasteful in any way. Oct 25 14 03:30 pm Link The thing that surprised me is that the images looked like they were composited into the scene: we've all seen places that were like that scene and know how filthy they are, yet the "bodies" and the clothing were pristine. Maybe I'm naive, but I have to ask if that effect is intentional or whether the series just didn't work on that level. Oct 25 14 04:16 pm Link I wish I had shot it. It's a great, and totally unique editorial. Does it mean I hate women? I really don't think so. As long as it's "make believe"; art, whether good or bad, should be free. The more transgressive, the better. Oct 25 14 04:19 pm Link Jorge Kreimer wrote: Ditto Oct 25 14 06:26 pm Link Jorge Kreimer wrote: It's a decent editorial spread, but I can recall at least a half-dozen similarly themed ones. (Excluding the Melanie Pullen one, which I hadn't run across before it was mentioned earlier in the thread.) Mert and Marcus had one with Doutzen Kroes a few years back. Helmut Newton flirted with the theme frequently. So did Guy Bourdin The Duncan Quinn menswear line had a pretty gruesome ad compaign similar to this. Oct 25 14 08:07 pm Link Jorge Kreimer wrote: Darren Brade wrote: its whats getting attention these days, offensive or not, heroine chic or wasted, its ok and its been done before for years. Oct 25 14 08:23 pm Link Why is it always women depicted in this manner? So sad and disappointing. Oct 25 14 08:26 pm Link I personally don't care for the series but I do think the girl with her head on the desk and arms hanging down is kinda funny. Oct 25 14 08:32 pm Link Reminds me of the personal work Helmut Newton was creating in the 80's Oct 25 14 08:40 pm Link not too far out there. im impressed by the models posing skills. i like it because it looks like every fashion show after party ive ever been to j/k  haha.Oct 26 14 11:11 am Link http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/2 … 45522.html http://www.vonlintel.com/Izima-Kaoru.html http://www.amazon.com/Izima-Kaoru-Lands … 3775722378 And differently http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin_chic http://stillinbelgrade.com/heroin-chic-mid-90s/ https://www.google.com/search?q=davide+ … 6&imgdii=_ Oct 26 14 12:55 pm Link Frank Lewis Photography wrote: It's about the target demographics. Oct 26 14 01:20 pm Link Also it's not always women shown super drunk or out of it... There were tons of photos of men in the same state... particularly the rat pack era... Oct 26 14 03:07 pm Link This isn't new. Remember Heroine Chic? Actually, I kind of like the editorial. I like that it grosses me out a little. That's an effect. Good. It was effective. Oct 26 14 03:43 pm Link In my mind, "too far" requires criminal activity to be part of the photograph. Not merely depicting criminal activity, but actual criminal activity. Oct 26 14 03:49 pm Link Jorge Kreimer wrote: +1 Oct 26 14 04:11 pm Link I agree with Udor. The fact is that it isn't a unique idea, it's meant to spur a reaction(sorry, 'provoke thought'), and on top of that the images are worse than similar ones that have come before. It's the 'art photography' equivalent of redoing Piss Christ, but with MLK. It might create a discussion, but it's the exact same discussion that we've already heard before. The only people with anything left to say are half-connected bloggers that missed it the first time, and clickbait sites like HuffPost. That's a discussion I can do without. Oct 26 14 07:17 pm Link |
