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Kristina Smith Beauty

Posts: 8

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Hi there!  smile

I'm a licensed esthetician and newbie MUA. I just started doing test shoots a few months ago, so I'm still pretty green and am looking for some constructive criticism. I see my own set of flaws in each of my photos, but I'd really appreciate having another set of eyes and opinions from more seasoned artists to help me stay on an upward track for improving my work and my portfolio.

Please let me know what you think, what I need to work on, what jumps out to you as especially good or bad, anything I should completely scrap, anything I should focus on in the future, etc. Anything goes, just please be constructive! Just plain spewing insults doesn't benefit anyone, and I'm here with the sincere intent to improve.  smile

Here's a direct link to my MM portfolio so you don't have to click around all over the place to get to it:

https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/3378472/viewall

Thanks so much ahead of time, everyone!  smile

Nov 14 14 04:26 pm Link

Photographer

J O H N A L L A N

Posts: 12221

Los Angeles, California, US

The makeup looks a bit heavy in a couple of the photos.
But what bothers me the most - is that it looks like the photographer color balanced the photos all wacky, so it's really difficult to tell if you have a good color esthetic or not - the photographer clearly doesn't.

Nov 14 14 04:44 pm Link

Makeup Artist

Kristina Smith Beauty

Posts: 8

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

J O H N  A L L A N wrote:
The makeup looks a bit heavy in a couple of the photos.
But what bothers me the most - is that it looks like the photographer color balanced the photos all wacky, so it's really difficult to tell if you have a good color esthetic or not - the photographer clearly doesn't.

Ah, I see what you mean. I don't have a trained enough eye yet to look for things like color balance, and I didn't think about how important it would be to photographers or clients when they're looking at my portfolio. I'll keep that in mind!

I thought I'd been a bit heavy-handed in my application, so I'm glad to hear a second so I know to definitely work on that. Thanks so much!

Nov 14 14 05:00 pm Link

Photographer

Carl Herbert

Posts: 387

Bellevue, Washington, US

It's hard to tell whether the models' faces are excessively smoothed in shots #3 and #4 and/or they have too much foundation on. Either way, those shots might best be rotated out as soon as possible when you get a few more.

It looks to me you like using eyebrow pencil, which I strongly dislike. I have to make do with it sometimes because my subjects only know that  type of product for filling in eyebrows. I asked an experienced film and photo MUA what she does and she demonstrated a technique using a slanted, stiff brush to stroke texture and color onto the brows to make them look fuller with brush lines instead of filling them in with smudgy brown.

I like most of your pics, though. Tightly-composed beauty photos would serve your needs better than the wider shots.

Nov 14 14 05:03 pm Link

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Kristina Smith Beauty

Posts: 8

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Carl Herbert wrote:
It's hard to tell whether the models' faces are excessively smoothed in shots #3 and #4 and/or they have too much foundation on. Either way, those shots might best be rotated out as soon as possible when you get a few more.

It looks to me you like using eyebrow pencil, which I strongly dislike. I have to make do with it sometimes because my subjects only know that  type of product for filling in eyebrows. I asked an experienced film and photo MUA what she does and she demonstrated a technique using a slanted, stiff brush to stroke texture and color onto the brows to make them look fuller with brush lines instead of filling them in with smudgy brown.

I like most of your pics, though. Tightly-composed beauty photos would serve your needs better than the wider shots.

I think the answer is "both" to #3 and #4, haha.

That's a really interesting point about the eyebrows...I actually don't use pencils, but powder, and I do use the same technique you mentioned your MUA used. I think the issue (other than the fact that I clearly need to practice and perfect that technique, haha) is that I'm not using a stiff angled brush, but a thinner one that gives me too clean of a line and deposits too much product. I'll definitely work on that.

Thank you so much! I appreciate it!

Nov 14 14 05:32 pm Link

Photographer

Lallure Photographic

Posts: 2086

Taylors, South Carolina, US

There are a couple of points to make.

The use of "blush", is really supposed to create the shadows of natural sunlight on the face. It is not intended to add excessive color, and it is not intended to make you look "flush".  It should create soft shadows, under the cheek bones, in the hollow under that bone. It can also be used to create shadows at the temples, under the chin, and on the breastbone. It is entirely, a sculpting tool.

Indeed, make up in general is about sculpting the face, to make the facial features more prominent, so that softer, attractive light, does not "wash out" the facial features.

The other comment, is that all of the brows appear heavy. I like a little softer look than that, myself.

Nov 15 14 07:35 am Link

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Kristina Smith Beauty

Posts: 8

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Lallure Photographic wrote:
There are a couple of points to make.

The use of "blush", is really supposed to create the shadows of natural sunlight on the face. It is not intended to add excessive color, and it is not intended to make you look "flush".  It should create soft shadows, under the cheek bones, in the hollow under that bone. It can also be used to create shadows at the temples, under the chin, and on the breastbone. It is entirely, a sculpting tool.

Indeed, make up in general is about sculpting the face, to make the facial features more prominent, so that softer, attractive light, does not "wash out" the facial features.

The other comment, is that all of the brows appear heavy. I like a little softer look than that, myself.

Thanks a lot! The sculpting uses you're describing for blush sound to me like they moreso describe a sculpting powder. Not to say that blush can't be used for that, but when the goal is to sculpt the face by recreating shadows as you mentioned, the typical choice is to use a sculpting powder with a cool, almost greyish undertone to mimic the shade that would be cast by a shadow, whereas blush typically gives color to the face rather than shadow. Of course this isn't a hard-and-fast rule, but that's what the general usages seem to be. Hmm!

Could you point out photos in my port that show what you're talking about with the blush? I'm having trouble seeing it since I'm looking at the blush vs sculpting powder differences. (With the exception of my profile picture, where I over-applied blush intentionally based on our goal for that look.)

And yes, thank you about the brows! That's something I noticed myself, and everyone else seems to as well. I'll definitely be working on that.  smile

Nov 15 14 08:10 am Link

Makeup Artist

Kristina Smith Beauty

Posts: 8

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

If there are any makeup artists who would like to weigh in, that would be greatly appreciated!  smile

Nov 15 14 08:10 am Link

Photographer

Kelly R

Posts: 58

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

hey

i'm a mua as well as photographer (http://kellymelissapm.4ormat.com/makeup)

https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/37322467
eyebrows don't look as clean as they could in this one.. look a powdered and unnatural

same in this
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/p … 7#37309161
eyeshadow looks a bit uneven- left eye has a dark grey on the lid but the right eye doesn't

https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/p … 7#37209737
brows look drawn on in this one, and should be more 'gradually fading' (more the left one than right) on the inner part

https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/p … 7#36530755
would look better with nose contoured

https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/p … 7#36640985
brows again. eyeliner along the models right lid isn't 100% even. flick is a bit sharp and could've had bit more of a 'triangle' to it. contouring the cheeks would've looked nicer. lip liner isn't as neat as could be, the top lip liner should be very SLIGHTLY darker to accentuate instead of being lighter.

https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/p … 7#37146464
lip liner could be neater. nose could be contoured but this could be the photographers photoshopping

the others look great, or a bit far out to tell properly. i hope i haven't been harsh as its only an opinion and i think you could be amazing, its mainly just brows and lips i think you need to practice.. also its only because i'm a mua too that i'm picky on these things.. i doubt that a photographer/ model really notices anyway as your work in general is good xx

Nov 15 14 02:58 pm Link

Makeup Artist

MeganCalfoMakeup

Posts: 68

Los Angeles, California, US

Always remember, only add photos to your portfolio that you love and are proud to show. If that means you only have two photos in your port, then that's okay. Keep testing, until you get the best photos.

My first impression of your portfolio was a good one, there are only minor flaws.

Remember to blend. Blending is key, the most important part of makeup. Anyone can apply makeup, it takes special skill to blend properly. I spend the majority of my time on a makeup blending. Use one brush to apply and another clean fluffier blush to blend.

Also, work on your line work. Your lines need to be clean and perfect. Continue to practice. Work on your liner and lip stick application.

One thing that drives me absolutely crazy and immediately turns me off to a makeup artist is when they apply lipstick/liner inside the lip line. Apply the lip liner/stick, just along the lip line. If you need to correct the lip shape, then do so by over drawing the lip line just a little bit.
It's so obvious and unnatural to see lipstick drawn inside the lip line.
In these two photos, you should evenly distribute the color throughout the lips. This is something that can easily be fixed.
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/p … 7#36113950
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/p … 7#37209737

In this photo her lips are very unbalanced. The top lip appears overdrawn, whereas the bottom lip is not. Just work more on balancing the lip shape, especially when it comes to dark lips. Also the eyeliner is wavy, but the overall shape is good, just work more on cleaning up those lines.
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/p … 7#36640985


In this photo, the line work on the lips is very wavy and un even. The ombre is also unbalanced. Again, just work on the line work and balance.
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/p … 7#37146464

In this photo, her foundation appears a little splotchy and uneven. Just work more on blending, and pay more close attention to detail. With time you will develop a more experienced eye for detail.
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/p … 7#37038349

This photo is good. I would work on blending the shadow a bit more and cleaning up the lips. But overall, it is a very good makeup.
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/37322467
This makeup is also very good.
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/p … 7#36530755

I wouldn't use this photo. It isn't very good quality, and it doesn't showcase your work very well. The overall makeup is good, but the image quality doesn't do it justice.
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/p … 7#36028883


Overall, I think you have great potential. Just keep practicing, focus more on blending and perfecting your line work. Pay more attention to detail.
I wish you all the best!

Nov 15 14 03:31 pm Link

Makeup Artist

MeganCalfoMakeup

Posts: 68

Los Angeles, California, US

Also, when working in print. Photographs capture every little detail. When people look at still images they can spend as much time as they want looking at the image, that means that they can find each and every minor flaw.

This means, that as a makeup artist it is your job to perfect the makeup. Keep a lookout for any little flaw. A little tiny spec of shadow fallout can ruin an entire photo. People can fixate on the littlest things when it comes to makeup.

Don't drive yourself crazy and be too hard on yourself, but just work on your eye for detail. Notice the little things.

Just something I thought I should share, I was told this by photographers and makeup artists and it has greatly improved my makeup applications.

Nov 15 14 03:37 pm Link

Photographer

Masters of Illusion

Posts: 93

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

New photog, old hat MUA here. For me, I'd say watch brows & lip lines.

Brows:
If the model shows up with "squirrel face", nip those straggly brows off with one with a brow razor (plucking will leave area red & swollen & the photog will hate you, lol!).

https://demandware.edgesuite.net/sits_pod21/dw/image/v2/AABJ_PRD/on/demandware.static/Sites-SA-Site/Sites-SBS-SallyBeautySupply/default/v1415987667808/images/large/SBS-199588.jpg?sw=495&sh=495&sm=fit&sfrm=png

http://www.sallybeauty.com/Ladyn-Razor/ … lt,pd.html

And don't forget the "tails" on the brows. Some of your brows just stop abruptly.

Lip Lines:
Make sure liner is even. Do the lining, take a step back and really assess. Fill the lips, blend and step back again. As MUAs we tend to do most of our assessing from straight on. Look at the lips from all angles. Fix the worbally bits with concealer, assess & fix until perfect.

Nov 15 14 04:10 pm Link

Photographer

alessandro2009

Posts: 8091

Florence, Toscana, Italy

I think it would be interesting a composition of two images, one natural and the other after the makeup, without retouching on the images.

Nov 16 14 02:43 am Link

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Kristina Smith Beauty

Posts: 8

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Thank you so much, everyone!!  big_smile

This is exactly the kind of feedback I was hoping for! I'm taking this all down and will make a note to really focus on brows and lip lines, as the general consensus is that those seem to be my biggest weaknesses. Also on my list: blending, clean lines, and balance. Phew, I have a lot to get working on!

I really appreciate the critiques and the encouraging words! I'm definitely gonna do more practicing and testing, and will hopefully have some better images for critique next time around.  smile

Thanks so much!

Nov 16 14 05:24 pm Link

Photographer

Carl Herbert

Posts: 387

Bellevue, Washington, US

Vermillion lines seem difficult. Most every adult has at least some amount of sunburn damage to their lips, which reduces definition. If you can figure out even lines that will coincide with the form of the lips when shaded with studio lights then you are good to go. Somebody else can can fix the scarring.

Nov 16 14 05:38 pm Link

Photographer

Masters of Illusion

Posts: 93

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

Kristina Smith Beauty wrote:
I'm taking this all down and will make a note to really focus on  [b[brows and lip lines[/b], as the general consensus is that those seem to be my biggest weaknesses.

Brow & lips lines...now that you're aware, they will only get better. You show tremendous promise! Keep practicing & at the end of the day it's only makeup (washes off). You weren't tattooing colour onto the model's faces, right?

Nov 16 14 07:29 pm Link

Makeup Artist

Kristina Smith Beauty

Posts: 8

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Masters of Illusion  wrote:

Brow & lips lines...now that you're aware, they will only get better. You show tremendous promise! Keep practicing & at the end of the day it's only makeup (washes off). You weren't tattooing colour onto the model's faces, right?

You mean all makeup artists don't tattoo their models?!?!  wink

Nov 16 14 08:07 pm Link

Photographer

Lee_Photography

Posts: 9863

Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

Over all, your portfolio has some of the better photos I have seen to show case your work

https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/141025/17/544c3c99d8a8c_m.jpg
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/140808/16/53e5567bdcd84_m.jpg
How ever you are fighting the photographer’s choice of color balancing, as these two images show

The use of a before and after photo would be helpful to see your work

Wish you well

Nov 17 14 04:28 am Link

Makeup Artist

ArtistryImage

Posts: 3091

Washington, District of Columbia, US

Kristina Smith Beauty wrote:
If there are any makeup artists who would like to weigh in, that would be greatly appreciated!  smile

Kristina... as you request...  My compliments on your attaining an esthetician license... look to getting represented as a stylist... agencies are keen on those who are estheticians... We work in pretty much the same market so here is the submission page for leading agency in DC that reps stylist a.k.a. MUA's...   You are fortunate that you can work both DC and NYC from your location.

While it appears your work is good, as others have mentioned do not put any images in your book that isn't of commercial caliber i.e. quality... That said, Mayhem is the domain of hobbyist, commercial talent is far and few between... Also your "List" of Awesome Makeup Inspiration! is actually pretty much a showcase of retouching... not makeup artistry...

Words of wisdom... in our market area bridal pays well, so well that you are far better served pursuing this than investing time on Mayhem... the hobbyist on Mayhem will want your to do creative testing (unpaid) and you'll likely receive imagery that may be branded with the photographer's logo making it virtually useless for your book if you are seeking professional representational.  Thus be absolutely certain to obtain agreement and acceptance that you will receive "clean" imagery BEFORE accepting any creative testing... hope this makes sense...

Ok, as some have noted brows need to be well groomed (best prior to a session) before you apply product... use brow gel or hair spray on a spooly brush to train and hold them in place during the shoot...  Yes the lip line is important... use pencil first and then follow with cream product as needed...

btw, you book has a critical shortcoming... it is NOT gender neutral, you seriously need to address this quickly if you care to seek agency representation... My highest paid gigs are for advertising agency clients and predominately male grooming... a.k.a. concealer and anti-shine etc... You'll likely have to look to commercial photographers in your market rather than Mayhem here... The ASMP is an excellent place to start... they are principally commercial shooters not hobbyist and will be working with a healthy number of male talent... Select Philadelphia and choose Headshots and Editorial (btw, Editorial here is photographing professionals in their working environment, NOT editorial as in Fashion)  Let these ASMP photographers in your market know you are available for an initial creative test... this is an effective route into the commercial side of the equation...

Do you have a presence on Wedding Wire? if not might be a very wise move...
Especially since you are trained in airbrush... In our market TEMPTU S/B airbrush is oft requested, in fact without this expertise successful marketing for bridal is compromised...

Please do consider getting professionally represented, the sooner the better...
Mayhem is a sandbox for newly emerging artist... hope you pass through quickly on your journey... smile

Nov 17 14 01:43 pm Link

Makeup Artist

Kristina Smith Beauty

Posts: 8

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

ArtistryImage, thank you SO much! So much amazing advice packed into your response. I really appreciate it! I have a couple questions for you, if you don't mind!

ArtistryImage wrote:
Words of wisdom... in our market area bridal pays well, so well that you are far better served pursuing this than investing time on Mayhem... the hobbyist on Mayhem will want your to do creative testing (unpaid) and you'll likely receive imagery that may be branded with the photographer's logo making it virtually useless for your book if you are seeking professional representational.  Thus be absolutely certain to obtain agreement and acceptance that you will receive "clean" imagery BEFORE accepting any creative testing... hope this makes sense...

Awesome advice! I'm actually getting into bridal a bit and just did my first wedding party last month. However, I'm really interested in also getting into doing print work, and I thought Model Mayhem would be a good place to start building a portfolio. (But I'll now look into the ASMP link you mentioned!) Would you recommend drawing up a simple written agreement with a photographer for clean images?

ArtistryImage wrote:
btw, you book has a critical shortcoming... it is NOT gender neutral, you seriously need to address this quickly if  [you care to seek agency representation...

Unfortunately I have to say this is intentional in my portfolio. My esthetics training didn't include male makeup and grooming, and it isn't something I've been able to self teach myself yet. I've been looking into taking advanced classes in makeup, and that's something I know I need to learn. Any there any specific resources I should look into?

ArtistryImage wrote:
Please do consider getting professionally represented, the sooner the better...
Mayhem is a sandbox for newly emerging artist... hope you pass through quickly on your journey... smile

Getting off of Mayhem and getting professionally represented is definitely a goal of mine! I was planning on gaining more experience and a stronger portfolio, especially with male grooming and clean beauty looks. Would you recommend I apply sooner and note my strengths as esthetics and beauty makeup? Or should I wait until I'm more well-rounded with grooming, etc?

Thank you so much! I really appreciate it!  smile

Nov 23 14 08:17 am Link