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Underage photographer?
I didn't find an exact answer using the search function, but I was wondering if any models agreed to do some nude photos, only to discover, during the shoot or afterwords that the photographer was under the legal age limit? If during the shoot, did you immediately stop, put your clothes back on, and continue or simply leave? If after the shoot, what did you do? Nov 08 07 10:44 pm Link this could be an interesting topic *bump* Nov 08 07 10:59 pm Link I wonder if there is actually a law against this... knowing big bro there probably is so they can get some more money off of you  Nov 08 07 11:02 pm Link If a school teacher can be arrested for being nekkid with an underage kid, one would think a model could as well if she was nekked with an underage photographer. But, I don't know, hence the bump ....... I'm curious to see other photographers viewpoints Nov 08 07 11:05 pm Link It's indecent exposure to a minor, I thought. Nov 08 07 11:06 pm Link Diana Miranda wrote: That is the way I understand the laws in most states... Nov 08 07 11:13 pm Link Diana Miranda wrote: I don't know, if the underage photographer had solicited/hired the model without disclosing their age, I should imagine that it opens a real can of legal worms. Nov 08 07 11:14 pm Link Dreamshot Photography wrote: Very true, but nudity is looked at a wee bit differently on this side of the pond, so to speak. While I have never been to England, I did live in Germany for a few years and I recall nudity (even under-age) laws being rather relaxed in comparison to here in the States. Nov 08 07 11:26 pm Link Well, I've never shot with anyone young enough for it to even be a question... but if I did, that would be effed up! I'd tell his parents! Nov 08 07 11:27 pm Link eh. That type creepy. I'm upfront and honest about my age from the beginning. I thinks its effed up on that photogs part cause he pretty much lied. It could have gotten you aressted. Nov 09 07 12:01 am Link Actually, there are a few things one has to understand. First, from the perspective of the photographer, it isn't illegal for a minor to photograph a model over the age of eighteen in the nude. If the model was under eighteeen, the same laws would apply no matter what the age of the photographer is. Second, there are art schools all over the country that teach figure drawing to students under eighteen. There is no requirement in college that you must be eighteen to enroll in the class and there are even some high schools with progressive art departments that have live nude models. Second, being nude to model isn't indecent exposure, regardless of the photographer's age. If you look up the definition of indecent exposure on Findlaw you will discover that it is: Indecent exposure laws in most states make it a crime to purposefully display one's genitals in public, causing others to be alarmed or offended. Obviously if you are photographing the model you won't be alarmed. Taking a picture isn't the same as sex. So if you stripped and flashed a minor, that is one thing, mere non-sexual nudity is not. Think about it, how can you go to a naked beach with your kids and not get arrested. Underage teen models are routinely used in fashion shows. Have you ever been backstage? There are men and women, of all ages, in various stages of undress, including fully nude. What I am reading in this thread is a bunch of puritanical nonsense. There are some things that could happen on a shoot which would result in unlawful conduct. For example, if a model were to masturbate for the teen, that could be construed as indecent. The important thing to note though that it is the model, not the photographer that would have the problems. Let's get away from paranoia and look at the law realistically. Nov 09 07 12:01 am Link I have posed for figure drawing classes where underage male students were present. They were around 17 years old and had parental consent to take the class. I was informed that a couple of the students were 17 and enrolled with parental consent. I posed for a class. I din't have sex with anyone. I didn't make any lewd gestures. I just helped make some art. Anyone who has a problem with that is the definition of mentally ill. Nov 09 07 02:28 am Link If you're a model posing nude, and you find out the photographer is underage - why would you possibly have a problem with that? Nov 09 07 02:32 am Link I was taking figure drawing classes at 16... with a signed parent permission slip anyway. Nov 09 07 02:34 am Link come on people, unless the little shooter is bopping the model, there is no issue. If a 16 year old goes to a nude beach are the police going to come and arrest all of the nudists for indecent exposure in front of a minor? Nov 09 07 03:35 am Link Nick Zantop wrote: on a bad day you never know Nov 09 07 03:36 am Link Feral Ferox wrote: effed up? so it's ok for an 18 year old photographer to shoot nudes, but not a 17 year old photographer? I fail to see the difference, or why it is so shocking. Nov 09 07 03:39 am Link Nick Zantop wrote: I saw my aunt naked once and I was never the same. Nov 09 07 03:41 am Link Feral Ferox wrote: Nice, so you automatically assume that the photographer is a "he" Nov 09 07 03:41 am Link I was 15 when I first started doing bodypainting. Everyone I painted knew my age and didn't care about how young I was. It's not really a big deal unless someone thinks it is and for me no one thought it was. Nov 09 07 03:44 am Link HA HA there is actually a great one in NY well he WAS an underage photographer SK photos. he's GREAT and young i dont see a problem with women being nude for him. BUT if its not sex.... is it illegal? Nov 09 07 03:46 am Link Alan from Aavian Prod wrote: As there have been a couple of UK posts so here is the UK view. Both elements have to be present and it goes to intent: Sexual Offences Act 2003 Alan from Aavian Prod wrote: Only one caveat, Alan... the law, to be looked at realistically, needs to be looked to on a state-by-state basis. Remember the Ohio statutes we have looked at before that suggested that the mere presence of a minor and in a circumstance involving nudity [alone], but not the minor's nudity, could be sufficient for the offence. Nov 09 07 07:58 am Link Stina C wrote: they aren't mentally ill, typically their parents just fucked them up.... Nov 09 07 08:07 am Link Dudley Watson wrote: Nov 09 07 08:11 am Link Diana Miranda wrote: what a perv. but yes, you are the adult and you will be the one getting into trouble. Nov 09 07 02:47 pm Link But how bout this ... when you are in college you can take drawing classes and in some of them they have nude models posing ... do they check every students age when they enroll ... i understand most everyone is over 18 in college but you never know Nov 09 07 02:56 pm Link Diana Miranda wrote: indecent exposure is only covered when the exposure is other than for artistic purposes,or more distinctly, sexual purposes. artistic exposure is constitutionally protected. this is referring to public nudity, so the same would apply to an underage photographer. Nov 18 07 12:48 pm Link If mere nudity in the presence of a minor were illegal anywhere, many mothers everywhere would be arrested immediately after giving birth,no? Nov 18 07 12:56 pm Link Stina and Alan -- voices of reason! You know, good thing I didn't join MM when I (or my friends who posed for me) were under 18, because I probably would have been so petrified with all the "nudes under 18 = DEATH!!!" nonsense on MM to ever take a single picture. Well, maybe some landscapes. -G Nov 18 07 04:37 pm Link It has to be illegal. One is a minor one is not. I would not want to take that chance. Nov 18 07 04:42 pm Link first thought that comes to my mind is maybe contributing to the delinquency of a minor? Interesting topic though!!! Nov 18 07 04:44 pm Link WillSpringfield wrote: Paranoid junkies on here. The Europeans are laughing their asses off when read threads like these. It's common over in Europe. Here you are a pervert if you do. Nov 18 07 04:51 pm Link If having minors make art with nude models is a crime, SFAI and Academy of Art University, as well as many other art colleges with precollege programs, have a lot of explaining to do. I'm not a photographer, so I may not have shot nudes before, but I've been drawing nudes, in the presence of live, professional models, since I was sixteen. Nov 18 07 08:36 pm Link Diana Miranda wrote: Ah, I was thinking why this would be a problem, but then Diana just made it clear. Nov 18 07 08:39 pm Link allicette wrote: HAHAHAHA. Nov 18 07 08:42 pm Link D M M wrote: actually if the underage photographer dose not focus on the genitalia and or nipples it is not considered indecent exposure to a minor it is just considered Artistic nude photography i am an underage photographer and i have shot nude models like i stated before as long as it is not focusing on genitalia and or nipples it is okay for an underage photographer to take nude pictures of an overage model Mar 13 09 12:35 pm Link I'm an underage photographer. I'm not old enough to get the senior discounts yet. Mar 13 09 01:01 pm Link D M M wrote: That's what I would think! Mar 13 09 01:04 pm Link If nudity in front of a minor is illegal then nude beaches and locker rooms would ban all minors. Mar 13 09 03:16 pm Link Dudley Watson wrote: Legal age for what exactly? Mar 13 09 03:18 pm Link |
