Forums > Model Colloquy > Models who cry scam for dumb reasons...

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Lakita Pizarro

Posts: 7

BRONX, New York, US

I have an X Model friend who, in keeping her privacy at the time, told me she was fired from the same agency I am with now for being late alot, lying on her application and b/c they located nude, porn-oriented pictures of her on the net b/c she was in a very small semi-adult film a long while ago. So since she could not sue the agency, she and a few of her friends were spreading lies about the agency and she asked me if I would jump on the bandwagon? Now I know that once a lie is told about an agent, agency, or model...it usually never goes away and it makes it so that everyonee automatically believes what we read if a model posts it on a blog, chat group or forum. Are we that clueless that we just automatically believe the word of just anyone and do our best to add kerosene to the fire? So I ask should I notify the agency, seeing as how they have been getting me work and helping with my career with no signs of any scam activity. Do I tell my friend that she is mad wrong and try my best to expose her for the lier she has become? It almost makes me want to quit modeling if this is how it is. B/c this means that anyone can ruin your rep simply by starting a thread of a lie. Help anyone!

Dec 26 05 12:35 am Link

Photographer

Craig Thomson

Posts: 13462

Tacoma, Washington, US

This sounds like Oprah or Jerry Springer to me....Do you really want the audience to help you decide what to do?



*Still shaking my head*

Dec 26 05 12:40 am Link

Model

~*Isabel Aurora*~

Posts: 5778

Boca del Mar, Florida, US

people are going to trash talk no matter what profession you are in....

What kinds of lies is she telling?

if the agency is good enough and legit, then their good reputation will speak for itself....IMO





p.s. what is classified as a "semi-adult" film?? just curious smile

Dec 26 05 12:41 am Link

Model

~*Isabel Aurora*~

Posts: 5778

Boca del Mar, Florida, US

Lakita Pizarro wrote:
It almost makes me want to quit modeling if this is how it is. B/c this means that anyone can ruin your rep simply by starting a thread of a lie.

Haha if that makes you want to quit, then this isn't for you smile


Hmmmm...so she started a thread? Here on MM?

Dec 26 05 12:42 am Link

Model

Lakita Pizarro

Posts: 7

BRONX, New York, US

Well she is saying stuff like models having to pay them to be represented, and how they posted her pics here on MM without her knowledge and where pretending to be her...but she is the one who convinced me to join MM too so I know she is lying about that one. And I have spoken to like 12 of their other models on the DL at different shoots asking them about their experience, and they have nothing but good stuff to say as do I. And as far as the "adult film" she was giving a guy a hand job on something called "www.tugjobs.com" And about your comment about their rep standing in for them...how many model refuse to work with an agency simply b/c they saw the word scam or scam alert next to their names? I know I have before when I was getting started. But now a former friend is doing dirt simply b/c she was in the wrong?

Dec 26 05 12:58 am Link

Model

Envy

Posts: 11189

Nashville, Tennessee, US

I say let the agency speak for it's own reputation and don't concern yourself any further with it.
You will only bring yourself down by associating yourself with something that you cannot change. Any damage by what she has said is done. Why would you want to bring yourself under fire by her if/when she finds out you said something about her lying?
Next thing you know she will spread lies about you.
As Isabel said people are going to talk trash regardless of what profession you're in.

Dec 26 05 01:13 am Link

Photographer

Moraxian

Posts: 2607

Germantown, Maryland, US

IsabelAurora wrote:
p.s. what is classified as a "semi-adult" film?? just curious smile

They're probably talking about the B-Movie/Scream Queen direct to video movies that are being made mostly in the eastern USA (there are a dozen or so companies that exist between the NYC area and Baltimore).  The movies feature pretty ladies in situations that seem to be dangerous or horrific and always the ladies end up on the wrong end of things.  And in most of these movies the ladies miraculously end up with no clothes, or in a wet t-shirt after deciding that they didn't need a bra that day.

I've actually worked with a number of these ladies on my shoots (Debbie D, Kerri Taylor, Syn DeVil...) and found they love doing the movies because the work isn't all that hard and it pays pretty well.  Plus there are some conventions in the area that cater to the fans, so they go there and are able to make $$ selling photos, doing photoshoots, etc.  Me, I find they make the best models for what I am doing due to the fact that they are actresses first and can play a role in my photoshoots. 

I'm hoping this is the right answer and that I'm not misleading...

Dec 26 05 01:52 am Link

Model

~*Isabel Aurora*~

Posts: 5778

Boca del Mar, Florida, US

Lakita Pizarro wrote:
...how many model refuse to work with an agency simply b/c they saw the word scam or scam alert next to their names? I know I have before when I was getting started.

If you do your homework you should be able to make the right decision about an agency....

So, if I said, "Lakita, don't go to Elite. They are a scam." Would you get scared and not go to them? Hopefully not because they have such a huge name and by simply doing a little homework and research, you will be able to tell that they are legit....

And it is very true that agents do get on this website posing as models so her statement is not in left field (not saying that she is not lying, I'm just not saying it's impossible)

I must also point out that this is a very one-sided conversation because she is not here to say her side of the story.

So has this agency gotten you legitimate work? I see that you having upcoming work with Smooth?

Dec 26 05 07:58 am Link

Model

Savvy1007

Posts: 796

I would simply tell her to keep the dirt in her own hands and not spread it your way.

Dec 26 05 08:07 am Link

Model

Prin S lea

Posts: 62

Waynesboro, Virginia, US

well,i always speak my mind when i get in situations.....be honest with her and tell her how you feel and it if her lies and stuff get out of hand,drop the bitch! You don't need that kind of people in your life.....but,whom i to say,just my opinion
Good luck doll,im sure what ever you do will be a good choice xoxoxo

Dec 26 05 08:23 am Link

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Merlinpix

Posts: 7118

Farmingdale, New York, US

IsabelAurora wrote:
p.s. what is classified as a "semi-adult" film?? just curious smile

One that has truckers in it...LOL

Dec 26 05 08:26 am Link

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Jeff Fiore

Posts: 9225

Brooklyn, New York, US

Moraxian wrote:
I've actually worked with a number of these ladies on my shoots (Debbie D, Kerri Taylor, Syn DeVil

Ahhh Kerri Taylor! Love working with her BECAUSE of her vesatility.

To the OP, I wouldn't get dragged down with her. She made the mistake and now has to pay the price. You have a career to think about. To think about giving up modeling because it seems so easy for someone to give a bad rep just seems silly to me. It can happen but most are lived down if there is no truth to it. If people bases their opinions on the word of one person then they are nothing better than gossiping tabliod readers who want to believe in the dirt they hear or read about. I KNOW there is always at least 2 sides to a story.

Dec 26 05 08:52 am Link

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studio36uk

Posts: 22898

Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna

Savannah Skye wrote:
I would simply tell her to keep the dirt in her own hands and not spread it your way.

If she was doing "tugjobs.com" it ain't DIRT in/on her hands.

Studio36

Dec 26 05 09:17 am Link

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Gary L.

Posts: 306

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

studio36uk wrote:
If she was doing "tugjobs.com" it ain't DIRT in/on her hands.

Studio36

LMAO!!!

Dec 26 05 10:00 am Link

Photographer

John Pringle

Posts: 1608

New York, New York, US

Nudity, figure art, B movie parts all fall under an umbrella of sorts. Here in America, there are many who still hold certain body parts as sacred to themselves. Many are those who work the corporate world where the money flows. Many things done (even by them) in the dark are often swept under the rug. Since her imagry became public matter (whether its findable or not), spooks them. So she, along with others find it difficult to carry on. As for paying an agency for representation, what does a model expect. Her jobs pay the agency as her agency cuts a bit for representation. The law says 10% but rep get smart and say that they are not an agency but a model management company, to skirt the fee limit law. The conflict of interest is just to keep their nose clean.
Fighting and retaliating by calling the company a scam only hurts her own chances if the company is reputable. Who wants a person in their camp that is a bonified spy... She hurts herself. Give her air to breathe

Dec 26 05 10:49 am Link

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area291

Posts: 2525

Calabasas, California, US

Lakita Pizarro wrote:
So I ask should I notify the agency, seeing as how they have been getting me work and helping with my career with no signs of any scam activity. Do I tell my friend that she is mad wrong and try my best to expose her for the lier she has become?

Why do you feel the need to become involved at all?

Dec 26 05 11:00 am Link

Photographer

Kentsoul

Posts: 9739

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

I don't think a model has ever gotten booted from an agency because they worked with me.

Something to shoot for in the new year! wink

Dec 26 05 11:02 am Link

Model

Lakita Pizarro

Posts: 7

BRONX, New York, US

IsabelAurora wrote:

If you do your homework you should be able to make the right decision about an agency....

So, if I said, "Lakita, don't go to Elite. They are a scam." Would you get scared and not go to them? Hopefully not because they have such a huge name and by simply doing a little homework and research, you will be able to tell that they are legit....

And it is very true that agents do get on this website posing as models so her statement is not in left field (not saying that she is not lying, I'm just not saying it's impossible)

I must also point out that this is a very one-sided conversation because she is not here to say her side of the story.

So has this agency gotten you legitimate work? I see that you having upcoming work with Smooth?

Dec 26 05 11:02 am Link

Model

Lakita Pizarro

Posts: 7

BRONX, New York, US

I am sure if you took a survey of model on MM and other sites an asked them if another model yelled scam if they would not work with that agency...I am 100% sure most would say that they would not work iwth them period, good background or not. Since I posted this on the forum over 30 people have sent me notes in my box telling me that that is true. Especially from models in major markets like nyc and LA.

Dec 26 05 11:05 am Link

Model

Lakita Pizarro

Posts: 7

BRONX, New York, US

Envy wrote:
I say let the agency speak for it's own reputation and don't concern yourself any further with it.
You will only bring yourself down by associating yourself with something that you cannot change. Any damage by what she has said is done. Why would you want to bring yourself under fire by her if/when she finds out you said something about her lying?
Next thing you know she will spread lies about you.
As Isabel said people are going to talk trash regardless of what profession you're in.

So basically you are saying "let sleeping dogs lie?" I'm just someone who has a sense of loyalty especially when I know the person doing dirt simply for revenge and not to protect models from harm.

Dec 26 05 11:08 am Link

Model

Envy

Posts: 11189

Nashville, Tennessee, US

Loyalty is good, but in some cases even the most loyal dogs can turn around and bite you in the ass. smile
Be prepared to dig yourself out from under any dirt she decides to spread about you next should you decide to take this any furter.

Dec 26 05 12:00 pm Link

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American Glamour

Posts: 38813

Detroit, Michigan, US

I normally ignore it, even if I am the subject.

My experience is that the person who "talks dirt" normally makes themself look worse than the subject.  In the end, people will judge you themself anyhow so the best advice is to do nothing, even when directed at you.

Dec 26 05 01:45 pm Link

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Shazia

Posts: 2

Greensboro, Alabama, US

I kind of feel you Lakita. I was raised here in the south where we do take loyalty seriously. Especially if it is for a company, person or group who is working hard to further your career in a positive way. So my advice is that once a rumor starts, it's pretty hard or almost impossible to kill...so your best bet is to fortget that you know her and do you! Keep your good name going and your hustle on. If other people want to believe everything they read on the net then let them. They are the ones who will have to pay for their mistakes.

Shazia

Dec 26 05 09:40 pm Link

Photographer

Moraxian

Posts: 2607

Germantown, Maryland, US

Moraxian wrote:
I've actually worked with a number of these ladies on my shoots (Debbie D, Kerri Taylor, Syn DeVil

Jeff Fiore wrote:
Ahhh Kerri Taylor! Love working with her BECAUSE of her vesatility.

Kerri is amazing isn't she?  True story:  At FetishCon last year she and her beau were staying at a different hotel from the Con hotel, so she asked to leave her "fetish" clothes in my wife and my hotel room during the con.  So at any given time I could come into my hotel room and see Kerri there.  I got to do a 30 minute shoot with her just after the 'Meet&Greet' party ended (one of my favorite photos of her from that set is in my portfolio, it features her looking at the camera with big scared eyes as a 'bomb' is ticking in her lap.)  I also got to rig Kerri for the fan photo shoot, and I have since worked with her on two other occasions.  She is a great model, and to my wife and I, a good friend. smile

Dec 27 05 01:33 am Link

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Monsante Bey

Posts: 2111

Columbus, Georgia, US

Look, Shadowlaw aka MGI INTERNATIONAL is a scam, stop trying to play like you're not. You guys were using marissa's https://modelmayhem.com/member.php?id=71264 pics trying to talk girls into signing with you, give it up. Don't make me call in the witnesses on you.

You know what, fuck it, you asked for it.

Dec 27 05 10:22 am Link

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JasonE

Posts: 516

Durham, California, US

Lakita Pizarro wrote:
Well she is saying stuff like models having to pay them to be represented, and how they posted her pics here on MM without her knowledge and where pretending to be her...but she is the one who convinced me to join MM too so I know she is lying about that one. And I have spoken to like 12 of their other models on the DL at different shoots asking them about their experience, and they have nothing but good stuff to say as do I. And as far as the "adult film" she was giving a guy a hand job on something called "www.tugjobs.com" And about your comment about their rep standing in for them...how many model refuse to work with an agency simply b/c they saw the word scam or scam alert next to their names? I know I have before when I was getting started. But now a former friend is doing dirt simply b/c she was in the wrong?

Does the agency INDEED make you pay to be represented? (just checking)

Dec 27 05 10:50 am Link

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Anthony Thomas

Posts: 75

Vinings, Georgia, US

Seems like you guys are going back and forth from Message boards to message board about this issue.  My question to you is why do you feel you need to go around following Marrisa and others who claim your agency is a scam....especially when you claim they have provided you with so much work?  I would think a person would be too busy to go fight back and forth on message boards if they are getting as much work as you said you do.  Sure their are plenty of scams out there so everybody should be aware.  Here's one you should be aware of:

Your profile says you did a test shoot for Smooth Magazine.  Smooth Magazine doesn't do test shoots from my understanding.  Go to www.smoothmag.com and their is a disclaimer stating they do not do any model searches (i.e. test shoots) other then their own website.

Rumor is now Lakita that you are "the agency!"  Posing as one of their models to clear the name of the agency by battling models who are saying you guys are a scam. 

Well hear is a idea.....why don't you post the agency's license # so folks can check them out for themselves and draw their own conclusion?

Dec 27 05 12:39 pm Link

Model

Marisa Ross MUA

Posts: 2

For the record, I don't know who this original post refers to but I just wanted to state that I have NEVER posed nude or done any adult films/shoots or anything of that nature. You can search everywhere, I gaurantee you won't find anything. I say this because my name has been mentioned in the thread and I didn't want people to think I was who the original post was about.

Dec 27 05 01:00 pm Link

Photographer

f-alan

Posts: 135

Detroit, Alabama, US

lol @ agency license.....

An agency is nothing more than a bonded temporary empoyment agency with non-exclusive and exclusive rights to the prospective employee.

Not sure which license you are talking about.   The FIEN #, or maybe the state tax ID#   

Please Ant, clarify this so us Dummies know how to properly check it out?

Dec 27 05 01:12 pm Link

Model

~*Isabel Aurora*~

Posts: 5778

Boca del Mar, Florida, US

Lakita Pizarro wrote:
I am sure if you took a survey of model on MM and other sites an asked them if another model yelled scam if they would not work with that agency...I am 100% sure most would say that they would not work iwth them period, good background or not. Since I posted this on the forum over 30 people have sent me notes in my box telling me that that is true. Especially from models in major markets like nyc and LA.

reeeeaaaallly? over 30 people? hmmmm

So how many times have you mentioned that you want to go to McDonalds (or any restaurant), and someone says "Ew don't go there!".  Do you still go despite what they say? 

I work for CIngular. I hear people often saying how much this cell phone company sucks and that one sucks...and even many that say Cingular sucks....yet, we still have almost 60 million customers...


Now, I will say this again, this is one-sided so we don't even have the whole story here.  You have told us nothing about your agency so that we can do our homework to be able to tell whether your friend was lying about it being a scam...

The bottom line is that her word should not ruin the companies reputation if it is truely a good and reputable company.

If you did tell the company and she found out that you told on her, wouldn't you be afraid that she would go around telling agencies and clients not to work with you? smile

Dec 27 05 01:48 pm Link

Photographer

Bini Chohan

Posts: 12

studio36uk wrote:

If she was doing "tugjobs.com" it ain't DIRT in/on her hands.

Studio36

oh god, I nearly peed myself laughing at that one big_smile

Dec 27 05 01:52 pm Link

Model

Angel Tara

Posts: 2214

Charlotte, North Carolina, US

*running in circles, waving arms like a mad woman
*

FORD, ELITE, errr, other top agencies I can't think of or don't know of...THEY ARE ALLL SCAAAMMS!

SCAMMMS!!!

someone should have told me it was this easy to ruin an agency and enact revenge!


Seriously, I am officially polling myself and if someone told me not to work with an agency that has a good reputation, I wouldn't say "duhhhh, otay." One model's opinion should not override a good reputation that is built on many's opinion.

Angel

Dec 27 05 02:05 pm Link

Model

~*Isabel Aurora*~

Posts: 5778

Boca del Mar, Florida, US

Angel Tara wrote:
*running in circles, waving arms like a mad woman
*

FORD, ELITE, errr, other top agencies I can't think of or don't know of...THEY ARE ALLL SCAAAMMS!

SCAMMMS!!!

someone should have told me it was this easy to ruin an agency and enact revenge!


Seriously, I am officially polling myself and if someone told me not to work with an agency that has a good reputation, I wouldn't say "duhhhh, otay." One model's opinion should not override a good reputation that is built on many's opinion.

Angel

Thank you, Angel! Amen and PREACH IT! This is what I have been saying all long... but over 30 people have PMd her and told her she was right about that so it looks like you and I are in the minority smile lol smile

Dec 27 05 02:12 pm Link

Model

Angel Tara

Posts: 2214

Charlotte, North Carolina, US

btw, I wish I could have done a test with a major magazine such as smooth and get a major commercial for tag and a layout in a national magazine such as black men after only 4 shoots.

daangggg....

oh yeah, and I'm a MINORRITEEEEE

LMAO

Dec 27 05 02:18 pm Link

Model

~*Isabel Aurora*~

Posts: 5778

Boca del Mar, Florida, US

Angel Tara wrote:
btw, I wish I could have done a test with a major magazine such as smooth and get a major commercial for tag and a layout in a national magazine such as black men after only 4 shoots.

daangggg....

haha...she still hasn't told me when that is going to happen... I asked earlier

Why does no one listen to me?!?!?!?!   

:pouts:

Dec 27 05 02:19 pm Link

Model

Angel Tara

Posts: 2214

Charlotte, North Carolina, US

IsabelAurora wrote:

haha...she still hasn't told me when that is going to happen... I asked earlier

Why does no one listen to me?!?!?!?!   

:pouts:

Cuz we are MINORITIESSSSS! Noone listens to those...they have no voice

* I am officially an idiot*

Dec 27 05 02:24 pm Link

Photographer

Monsante Bey

Posts: 2111

Columbus, Georgia, US

Angel Tara wrote:
* I am officially an idiot*

But a cute one.
pinches cheek

BTW, you get that thing I sent ya?

Dec 27 05 02:55 pm Link

Model

~*Isabel Aurora*~

Posts: 5778

Boca del Mar, Florida, US

Well, I am listening to you! Especially since it seems as though we are the only two ones in this thread


*crickets chirping*

Dec 27 05 02:55 pm Link

Model

Angel Tara

Posts: 2214

Charlotte, North Carolina, US

IsabelAurora wrote:
Well, I am listening to you! Especially since it seems as though we are the only two ones in this thread


*crickets chirping*

yes ma'am it does. You, me and Bey...

Bey, no I didn't get it. I haven't checked the mail since Christmas Eve...might be sitting at the post office waiting for me.

Errr, I haven't left the house since...uhhh, nevermind....

Dec 27 05 03:00 pm Link

Photographer

Monsante Bey

Posts: 2111

Columbus, Georgia, US

Angel Tara wrote:

yes ma'am it does. You, me and Bey...

Bey, no I didn't get it. I haven't checked the mail since Christmas Eve...might be sitting at the post office waiting for me.

Errr, I haven't left the house since...uhhh, nevermind....

What are you waiting on, Christmas?
lol

Dec 27 05 03:02 pm Link