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Jwill266

Posts: 449

Louisville, Kentucky, US

I was shocked today when I tried to place a display ad in a paper 20 miles south of me, the Paris Post Intelligencer in Paris TN. The ad said Glamour, Glamour nudes, Weddings, Senior Portraits, Lingerie, basicaly a list of services I offer. I was unhappy when the editor of the paper refused to run the ad with the nudes stuff but shocked when he also refused to ad lingerie to the ad. Has anyone else experienced this. I thought this was the 21st century. I was only listing services, no pics except a couple portraits both G rated.

Jan 17 06 03:44 pm Link

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Brian Diaz

Posts: 65617

Danbury, Connecticut, US

That's never happened to me, but I'd definitely bitch about not getting the ad that I had paid for.  They should give you the next week (or whatever you paid for) free.

Jan 17 06 04:05 pm Link

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bencook2

Posts: 3875

Tucson, Arizona, US

if it ran edited I would be pissed.  If they let you know ahead of time...just use some other means.  They are free to run their business as they like.

Jan 17 06 04:08 pm Link

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Glamour Boulevard

Posts: 8628

Sacramento, California, US

Heck, did you know that, at least in california, if you post an ad in the paper seeking models you are not allowed to say which sex of model you are seeking because that is discrimination? I bit the bullet once a couple years back when I needed females for something and mostly got calls from guys who weren`t even models and one was like" Can I pose nude, if I do can i do this, and that" and the guy sounded like he was havin his own bit of fun as he talked. I hung up on the dork. I got maybe 3 calls from females who were actually models and not looking for shots for their boyfriend or senior portraits.

Jan 17 06 04:11 pm Link

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AF3

Posts: 1

San Francisco, California, US

The reason you have experienced this might be the market/city that you're dealing with.

Good luck with that, I hope everything works out for you.

-Antonio

Jan 17 06 04:12 pm Link

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Craig Thomson

Posts: 13462

Tacoma, Washington, US

bencook2 wrote:
if it ran edited I would be pissed.  If they let you know ahead of time...just use some other means.  They are free to run their business as they like.

No shoes, No shirt, no titties, no service

Jan 17 06 04:13 pm Link

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Craig Thomson

Posts: 13462

Tacoma, Washington, US

bencook2 wrote:
if it ran edited I would be pissed.  If they let you know ahead of time...just use some other means.  They are free to run their business as they like.

Gives a whole new meaning to the saying "No shoes, No shirt, No service"

Um, double you know what

Jan 17 06 04:14 pm Link

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Jwill266

Posts: 449

Louisville, Kentucky, US

I'm not sure what I'm gonna do. I was like wait a minute they have lingerie in the JC Penney catalog. I also asked, do you advertise the movies that are playing at the local theater  R, NR, PG13? The answer was yes. What do you think is in those movies certainly much more than the mere mention of nudity and lingerie? I think I was a little bit in shock. I wanted to ask, does the church own this paper?

Jan 17 06 04:15 pm Link

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Craig Thomson

Posts: 13462

Tacoma, Washington, US

Jwill266 wrote:
I'm not sure what I'm gonna do. I was like wait a minute they have lingerie in the JC Penney catalog. I also asked, do you advertise the movies that are playing at the local theater  R, NR, PG13? The answer was yes. What do you think is in those movies certainly much more than the mere mention of nudity and lingerie? I think I was a little bit in shock. I wanted to ask, does the church own this paper?

Since I'm new and a hobby shooter, I'm left wondering why you would advertise in the paper as a photographer? I would think with your daughter being semi well known, you would be getting a lot of word or mouth advertising from her portfolio/video.
Yes, this is a real question.

Jan 17 06 04:19 pm Link

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~*Isabel Aurora*~

Posts: 5778

Boca del Mar, Florida, US

Jwill266 wrote:
in Paris TN.

Small world! I lived in Martin for 13 years smile

Jan 17 06 04:24 pm Link

Photographer

Jwill266

Posts: 449

Louisville, Kentucky, US

bencook2 wrote:
They are free to run their business as they like.

I agree, but if they run other stuff equal to or more, not sure the word to use  because the mere mention of lingerie or nudity almost invoked gasps, morally incorrect advertising, then I should be able to say the word lingerie or nudity. Geez I was just blown away by this.

Jan 17 06 04:24 pm Link

Photographer

Jwill266

Posts: 449

Louisville, Kentucky, US

Craig Thomson wrote:

Since I'm new and a hobby shooter, I'm left wondering why you would advertise in the paper as a photographer? I would think with your daughter being semi well known, you would be getting a lot of word or mouth advertising from her portfolio/video.
Yes, this is a real question.

I do get work from association, but no where close to enough to fill a calender. Alot of people do not even assoiciate us, she keeps it low key at school because she doesn't like the attention. Thats is changing though, she can't stop it.

Jan 17 06 04:31 pm Link

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Jwill266

Posts: 449

Louisville, Kentucky, US

Actually this is a different market, my work is mostly in KY. This is a city in TN south of me.

Jan 17 06 04:32 pm Link

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Rawson

Posts: 444

Massapequa Park, New York, US

I was an art director for a newspaper group/publisher once and ive learned that all newspapers are all about politics... and something like that might conflict with thier interests.... most people who read newspapers are senior citizens and active voices in the community who vote.

Jan 17 06 04:40 pm Link

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American Glamour

Posts: 38813

Detroit, Michigan, US

It is geographic.  You are in the bible belt and I think you have to deal with it the best you can.

In L.A. nobody would bat an eye.

Jan 17 06 05:52 pm Link

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BlueTree Images

Posts: 285

Nashville, Tennessee, US

Paris, Tn is the Catfish Capital of the World.  With such a lofty title to live up to, they can't be running ads for known pornographers in the paper.

Jan 17 06 05:58 pm Link

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BCG

Posts: 7316

San Antonio, Florida, US

on the outskirt of the city right off of I-40, is/was the largest adult book store inthe country.

Jan 17 06 06:10 pm Link

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BlueTree Images

Posts: 285

Nashville, Tennessee, US

BCG,  I think that's in Nashville.

Jan 17 06 06:16 pm Link

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Jwill266

Posts: 449

Louisville, Kentucky, US

Ok guys, so what should I do. Drop it, or try to make a big deal out of it. I realize they own the paper and I am big on do what you want with your own business but I feel like I am dealing with a double standard.

Jan 17 06 07:24 pm Link

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Glamour Boulevard

Posts: 8628

Sacramento, California, US

Jwill266 wrote:
Ok guys, so what should I do. Drop it, or try to make a big deal out of it. I realize they own the paper and I am big on do what you want with your own business but I feel like I am dealing with a double standard.

I would drop it and find other places to advertise, or in instead of saying you do nudes and such,,,,have them put" and more....." at the end. I have more luck posting ads in smaller papers like the one out out by the local college. which leads to more potential models anyway because it is a campus paper.

Jan 17 06 07:28 pm Link

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photographybyStavros

Posts: 5402

Bainbridge Island, Washington, US

Jwill266 wrote:
I was shocked today when I tried to place a display ad in a paper 20 miles south of me, the Paris Post Intelligencer in Paris TN. The ad said Glamour, Glamour nudes, Weddings, Senior Portraits, Lingerie, basicaly a list of services I offer. I was unhappy when the editor of the paper refused to run the ad with the nudes stuff but shocked when he also refused to ad lingerie to the ad. Has anyone else experienced this. I thought this was the 21st century. I was only listing services, no pics except a couple portraits both G rated.

Welcome to W's world. A world where the Right rules and if you're not with them.. forget you! True sad but true

Jan 17 06 07:32 pm Link

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giovanni gruttola

Posts: 1279

Middle Island, New York, US

Jwill266 wrote:
I was shocked today when I tried to place a display ad in a paper 20 miles south of me, the Paris Post Intelligencer in Paris TN. The ad said Glamour, Glamour nudes, Weddings, Senior Portraits, Lingerie, basicaly a list of services I offer. I was unhappy when the editor of the paper refused to run the ad with the nudes stuff but shocked when he also refused to ad lingerie to the ad. Has anyone else experienced this. I thought this was the 21st century. I was only listing services, no pics except a couple portraits both G rated.

I ran it a problem once with an image in the yellow pages for an ad for exotic dancers. The image wasn't revealing but of a model in lingerie. They refused it until I pointed out there were more suggestive photos in other catagories within the directory. Long story short...they ran it. So, the point I'm making is if you can show them withing their paper of similar or more explicit advertising they will have to let you run or leave themselves open to major litigation in regards to restraint of trade.

Jan 17 06 07:40 pm Link

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Bob Helm Photography

Posts: 18916

Cherry Hill, New Jersey, US

You want to advertise.
They want ad revenue
Meet with them and see what they will run and if theat is acceptable to you.
I ran into a thing wone time with a major Philladelphia paper where they will not run an ad for models unless you are a registered employment agency, not sure if it was the papers policy or the law but I went elsewhere

Jan 17 06 11:16 pm Link

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Amanda Schlicher

Posts: 1131

Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US

doesn't it seem like you might get less wedding and senior portrait (money making) bookings if you include glamour nude and lingerie in the ad? 

I'm not saying not to do glamour nudes, or not to advertise it, but they definitely have totally different target demographics.

I would run two different ads in two different publications designed to target your desired demographics.

Plus, it's not really censorship.  It's their paper, they can put any restrictions they want on it.  It's not like they are infringing on your right to assembly or something.  If you pay for it and they won't run it, you are entitled to your money back, but nothing more.

Jan 17 06 11:23 pm Link

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James Jackson Fashion

Posts: 11132

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

hey man, I feel for you, but I can't even get one local paper to pick up a story about my charity promotion...

I'm sure if I get some people to shoot themselves in my studio I can get them to pick up the story, but short of that I don't think papers care.

Jan 18 06 12:09 am Link

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Photos by Jerry

Posts: 701

Edmonds, Washington, US

This reminds me that a decade or so ago I tried to run an ad saying I did boudoir photography in the Nickle Want Ads in the greater Seattle area.  They refused to run my ad because the word "boudoir" means bedroom in French.  I brought them a published book by Eastman Kodak to show them I was not doing anything scandalous but they still refused.  This was about two months after Oprah had a show devoted to discovering what boudoir photography was all about.

Jan 18 06 12:14 am Link

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Jwill266

Posts: 449

Louisville, Kentucky, US

Amanda Schlicher wrote:
doesn't it seem like you might get less wedding and senior portrait (money making) bookings if you include glamour nude and lingerie in the ad? 

I'm not saying not to do glamour nudes, or not to advertise it, but they definitely have totally different target demographics.

I would run two different ads in two different publications designed to target your desired demographics.

Plus, it's not really censorship.  It's their paper, they can put any restrictions they want on it.  It's not like they are infringing on your right to assembly or something.  If you pay for it and they won't run it, you are entitled to your money back, but nothing more.

Yes that’s true, it could cut into revenue in other markets and maybe I should separate the two but to tell the truth it all makes me money. The middle age women wanting lingerie pics for the hubby or boyfriend makes money too. As far as them running what they want I have no issue. What I have an issue with is, running ads, contradicting their policy, that others wish to run that are similar in nature.

Jan 18 06 08:12 am Link

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BCG

Posts: 7316

San Antonio, Florida, US

Glamour nudes with Senior Photos???...trust me, the paper is doing you a favor by not running that ad...your market will not be receptive. I would not take my High School daughter to a place that advertises both services in the same ad. Make your ad work for you...effective ads which contain either information or invoke the viewer to action are the most effective.

Jan 18 06 08:53 am Link

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Rp-photo

Posts: 42711

Houston, Texas, US

A suggestion:

Run a brief that serves to point readers to a site link.

Somthing like:

"Photographer with a variety of services to offer.

Visit www.Jwill266.com for more information"

Jan 18 06 11:28 am Link

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BCG

Posts: 7316

San Antonio, Florida, US

rp_photo wrote:
A suggestion:

Run an ad with little text that serves to point readers to a site link.

they need a reason to go to the site...once there, if they see Nudes next to underage High School kids, given the local demographic, you will loose more bsiness than gain.

Jan 18 06 11:31 am Link

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Glamour Boulevard

Posts: 8628

Sacramento, California, US

Heck, with MM finally selling ad space, why not just put the money toward an ad on here, much more coverage and it is surprisingly so much cheaper than the other sites by extremely far.
I will be doing so asap.

Jan 18 06 11:31 am Link

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Jwill266

Posts: 449

Louisville, Kentucky, US

Glamour Boulevard wrote:
,,,,have them put" and more....."

Jan 18 06 06:20 pm Link

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Jwill266

Posts: 449

Louisville, Kentucky, US

Glamour Boulevard wrote:
,,,,have them put" and more....."

I like this idea.

Jan 18 06 06:22 pm Link

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JBPhoto

Posts: 1107

Belleville, Michigan, US

Ever advertise on craigslist.com?
I've gotten lots of work off that site.

Jan 19 06 07:29 am Link