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Model
Rachel Jay
Posts: 20441
Nashville, Tennessee, US
Laura Ann Nudes wrote:
I slept in the same bed as a model on Saturday night.
We stayed on our own sides of the bed.
 Yes. Yes we did.
Kind of a shame, really 
Model
JoJo
Posts: 26560
Clearwater, Florida, US
Iona Lynn wrote:
Then maybe you should not play them.
I must be ugly, I have only been propositioned for sex less than 10 times in over 400 shoots.
Either that or I treat my job as a professional.
This is work, not play. Thereâs always one or two ânutbarsâ out there. They figure that a nude model is an easy mark and should be easy bedding material â so sad.
Iâve only been outright sexually hit on a couple of times and propositioned maybe 10 times over my 15 years of modeling. If I were a secretary in some office somewhere I donât think this would have been any different.
Photographer
Kevin Greggain Photography
Posts: 6769
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada
This is why I put a disclaimer on my port -- So many damn passes made at me during shoots  I am not here to date! ================= I realize that an overweight 48 year old who is short, kind of fuggly, with a heart surgery scar, and a bit smelly can be a big arousal for you young models out there, but that does NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO FLIRT OR TRY TO HIT ON ME. I am not a piece of meat, I am a photographer. Messages asking for a booty call will be ignored. What e-mails I will not reply to ======================= - Hey, your work sucks donkey butt, wanna shoot TFCD? - Oh sorry, wrong portfolio - I thought you were a model, sorry dude - Why youah so fat? - Hey sugar, let me roll you in flour and look for the wet spot(s) - Why do you like nudes and demons so much ? - I just want to cuddle with you, you big hairy, short, surgery scarred, smelly, somewhat fuggly 48ish year old dude! - I will trade booty for a CD - I heard you didn't snore much in bed - I like that you are short, and that I can use your head as a coffee cup holder - I'll bring a ladder so you can at least look me in the eyes - I like PORN - I'm a Diva and will make your life hell, lets' shoot! - My pics cannot be used anywhere but in your home. - I'm an amazon woman and I don't shave my pits - I'm incredibly flatulent - I'm into fetish, how about lingerie squirrels ?
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 45198
San Juan Bautista, California, US
Just because a photographer wants to go grab a bite to eat or meet with you outside of a shoot doesn't mean they want to have sex with you. This is my life, and I like to hang out with other photographers, videographers, models, musicians, dancers, MUA's or just about anyone in the entertainment industry. Sometimes we spend long hours shooting and working together so it only comes natural to want to eat.
I like to meet with models I have not met in person before if it is at all possible. Unbelievable as this may seem to many of you, I have NEVER had a "flake" that was a complete no show/call on a shoot in the 25 years of shooting. I've written about the methods I use, and one of those is to meet the models at a coffee shop for a preshoot meeting. The only "no shows/calls" have happened with those meetings. Obviously I never work with those who didn't show up to that.
Most of the shoots I do involve multiple people. So if it's critical to get the shoot done, I book back up models and have them ready if the main model calls in sick or something. Not to be mean, but anyone I work with knows that I can replace them quickly. So they are more likely to show up! I'm generous and treat people well, so most people who get to know me ... want to be there!
It's mostly the "one on one" situations that these photographers try to pick up on you? That is where the confusion and miscommunication can happen. I don't know what they say to you, but it could be that "one on one" makes it seem more like a "date" when two people go some where to eat. They might think it's more intimate, and you need to set them straight if it's just a friendly get together.
Photographer
J Cloud
Posts: 567
Cherry Hill, New Jersey, US
Forbidden-Fruit wrote:
Only a pervert will take offense to what I've said! I'm offended. Ergo, I'm a perv.
Model
nexiste plus
Posts: 7077
Boston, Massachusetts, US
DigitalArticulation wrote:
This is why I put a disclaimer on my port -- So many damn passes made at me during shoots
I am not here to date!
=================
I realize that an overweight 48 year old who is short, kind of fuggly, with a heart surgery scar, and a bit smelly can be a big arousal for you young models out there, but that does NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO FLIRT OR TRY TO HIT ON ME. I am not a piece of meat, I am a photographer. Messages asking for a booty call will be ignored.
What e-mails I will not reply to
=======================
- Hey, your work sucks donkey butt, wanna shoot TFCD?
- Oh sorry, wrong portfolio
- I thought you were a model, sorry dude
- Why youah so fat?
- Hey sugar, let me roll you in flour and look for the wet spot(s)
- Why do you like nudes and demons so much ?
- I just want to cuddle with you, you big hairy, short, surgery scarred, smelly, somewhat fuggly 48ish year old dude!
- I will trade booty for a CD
- I heard you didn't snore much in bed
- I like that you are short, and that I can use your head as a coffee cup holder
- I'll bring a ladder so you can at least look me in the eyes
- I like PORN
- I'm a Diva and will make your life hell, lets' shoot!
- My pics cannot be used anywhere but in your home.
- I'm an amazon woman and I don't shave my pits
- I'm incredibly flatulent
- I'm into fetish, how about lingerie squirrels ? oh, that gave me a chuckle
Model
Engel Schrei
Posts: 14458
Indianapolis, Indiana, US
Forbidden-Fruit wrote:
Yes that helps sometimes but not all the time.
I checked a photographer out and I contacted other models who worked with him.
I even went to meet him first before we actually shoot.
But he became a totally different person once we started shooting....The shoot was implied nude.......Wht he did to me scared me & pissed me off so bad.....That i dont really do implied nude anymore Seriously??
Is it really that fucking hard to just walk out of the damn shoot?
Paid or not, if you are at a shoot and you are uncomfortable beyond what you're willing to put up with, just fucking leave. Walk out. Vamoose. Gehen Sie aus. Scram.
It's NOT a difficult thing to do. If a photographer or WHOEVER at the shoot is acting inappropriately, walk to your stuff, gather it up, get dressed, and walk out the door. You don't have to say a single word. JUST LEAVE.
Ugh.
I've shot with 200+ photographers in the last 2 years. I've had to tell someone to back off maybe 3?4? times? and I've walked out on ONE shoot.
Go into it with a no bullshit policy. If they hit on you, look at them and tell them "no"... and leave it at that.
Photographer
Mr Banner
Posts: 85322
Hayward, California, US
I always cook for models.
stop revealing secrets
Photographer
J Cloud
Posts: 567
Cherry Hill, New Jersey, US
DigitalArticulation wrote:
This is why I put a disclaimer on my port -- So many damn passes made at me during shoots
I am not here to date!
=================
I realize that an overweight 48 year old who is short, kind of fuggly, with a heart surgery scar, and a bit smelly can be a big arousal for you young models out there, but that does NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO FLIRT OR TRY TO HIT ON ME. I am not a piece of meat, I am a photographer. Messages asking for a booty call will be ignored.
What e-mails I will not reply to
=======================
- Hey, your work sucks donkey butt, wanna shoot TFCD?
- Oh sorry, wrong portfolio
- I thought you were a model, sorry dude
- Why youah so fat?
- Hey sugar, let me roll you in flour and look for the wet spot(s)
- Why do you like nudes and demons so much ?
- I just want to cuddle with you, you big hairy, short, surgery scarred, smelly, somewhat fuggly 48ish year old dude!
- I will trade booty for a CD
- I heard you didn't snore much in bed
- I like that you are short, and that I can use your head as a coffee cup holder
- I'll bring a ladder so you can at least look me in the eyes
- I like PORN
- I'm a Diva and will make your life hell, lets' shoot!
- My pics cannot be used anywhere but in your home.
- I'm an amazon woman and I don't shave my pits
- I'm incredibly flatulent
- I'm into fetish, how about lingerie squirrels ? An addition:
- For a fat dude, you sure don't sweat much.
Photographer
Morgue Creation Photo
Posts: 1957
Marietta, Georgia, US
Rozetta Marie wrote:
What the hell? Why can't someone be able to do a sexy or even nude shoot without the phone call or text msg or email that comes after it... "I was looking at the pics from our shoot and your body is amazing... we should really hang out sometime... go get a drink... I'll even cook you dinner... you know just showing you my gratitude for such a great shoot..."
Oh yeah... and the ones that don't want you to bring an escort only because in the back of their minds they want to try their hand at getting you to sleep with them after or even during the shoot!
And then when you play them, they go after your close personal friends... but little do they know your close personal friends are even crazier than you. LOL
OK... just had to get that off my chest.
thanks for listening. The only time I see this happen is when you listen and dont bring an escort. If a photog doesnt want you to have one, then dont work with them. I incourage those I work with to bring the person they feel most safe and comfortable around therefore making better photos.
And I know male photogs who are the biggest pervs but keep it professional, the people you got asked by arent professional so dont work with them.
Model
nexiste plus
Posts: 7077
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Forbidden-Fruit wrote:
Lol babe it come with the territory...I get that all the time.
9 photographers that i have worked with have come on to me.
One guy was married and he tried things and said things to me in a sexual manner. Whats sad is his wife was in the same building at the time. Nothing about this makes you wonder if YOU are part of the problem? Because, FYI, its not that common...
Model
Engel Schrei
Posts: 14458
Indianapolis, Indiana, US
Damon Banner wrote:
I always cook for models.
stop revealing secrets It's the only reason I let you molest me with your camera lens.
Model
nexiste plus
Posts: 7077
Boston, Massachusetts, US
MMP HH wrote:
The only time I see this happen is when you listen and dont bring an escort. If a photog doesnt want you to have one, then dont work with them. I incourage those I work with to bring the person they feel most safe and comfortable around therefore making better photos.
And I know male photogs who are the biggest pervs but keep in professional, they people you got asked by arent professional so dont work with them. Hi there! I see that you are blind...my eyes were just corroded by battery acid. Would you mind helping me cross the street?
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 45198
San Juan Bautista, California, US
Damon Banner wrote:
I always cook for models.
stop revealing secrets Sometimes I make sandwiches for the models and crew at long shoots. They seem to love 'em!
I can cook too, but it's easier to just go some place for a bite after a shoot.
Photographer
Mr Banner
Posts: 85322
Hayward, California, US
Engel Schrei wrote:
It's the only reason I let you molest me with your camera lens. I didn't know I was supposed to try to sleep with you after dinner too. Maybe next time.
Model
Rachel Jay
Posts: 20441
Nashville, Tennessee, US
Engel Schrei wrote:
Seriously??
Is it really that fucking hard to just walk out of the damn shoot?
Paid or not, if you are at a shoot and you are uncomfortable beyond what you're willing to put up with, just fucking leave. Walk out. Vamoose. Gehen Sie aus. Scram.
It's NOT a difficult thing to do. If a photographer or WHOEVER at the shoot is acting inappropriately, walk to your stuff, gather it up, get dressed, and walk out the door. You don't have to say a single word. JUST LEAVE.
Ugh. I agree, Engel. If you're not comfortable with something, use your words and say so. If whatever you're uncomfortable with keeps happening, use your legs and leave. Don't wait for your CD to be burned, don't give hugs on the way out, don't say anything. Just. Leave. Not fucking rocket science.
I've walked out of one shoot. That photographer did not understand "I'm uncomfortable with that idea", so I said, "you know what, I need to go now" and I left. He didn't try to stop me, didn't bitch at me, and even sent me the CD of images we had shot.
Since then, I have had maybe 3 photographers suggest something I'm not comfortable doing. Not one of them pushed me when I said, "I'm not comfortable with that". I have worked with at least 2 of them since then, and have not had a single problem.
Model
-Nicole-
Posts: 19211
Madison, Wisconsin, US
Citizen Deathwish wrote:
Hi there! I see that you are blind...my eyes were just corroded by battery acid. Would you mind helping me cross the street? 
Photographer
Morgue Creation Photo
Posts: 1957
Marietta, Georgia, US
Citizen Deathwish wrote:
Hi there! I see that you are blind...my eyes were just corroded by battery acid. Would you mind helping me cross the street? What the hell
Model
Engel Schrei
Posts: 14458
Indianapolis, Indiana, US
MMP HH wrote:
The only time I see this happen is when you listen and dont bring an escort. If a photog doesnt want you to have one, then dont work with them. I incourage those I work with to bring the person they feel most safe and comfortable around therefore making better photos.
And I know male photogs who are the biggest pervs but keep it professional, the people you got asked by arent professional so dont work with them. Um.. No. Just. No.
Model
-Nicole-
Posts: 19211
Madison, Wisconsin, US
MMP HH wrote:
What the hell Don't worry. I'll catch that one for you.
Photographer
J Henry
Posts: 8775
Silver Spring, Maryland, US
Rachel Jay wrote:
Yes. Yes we did.
Kind of a shame, really Wow.... um, I'm actually disappointed in you two.
Model
Jessie-Lynne
Posts: 1857
Chicago, Illinois, US
What about models that try to sleep with photographers?
Photographer
Morgue Creation Photo
Posts: 1957
Marietta, Georgia, US
Mz Snow wrote:
Don't worry. I'll catch that one for you. Ya well what ever it was I said wrong , the problem went way over my head.
Model
Miss Anna Evans
Posts: 40233
Astoria, New York, US
Jessie-Lynne wrote:
What about models that try to sleep with photographers? I'm fixing to go to my kitchen and grab a photographer's ass.
Photographer
Mr Banner
Posts: 85322
Hayward, California, US
"I'm fixing to"
your southern side is showing.. and I don't mean your butt.
Photographer
Fotosbymike
Posts: 797
Sarasota, Florida, US
I know a lot of models who have boyfriends or husbands that are photographers.
I, myself was married to a model.
I learned a long time ago what the REAL problem is...
"If a photographer comes on to a model, it's only a problem if the photographer is not attractive".
Having said that...
I always offer dinner after a shoot. I'm usually pretty hungry and I think it's only polite to offer. How this is handled is all in how you present yourself. Usually, we're going over the pics while we're eating and I have never had a model complain about it afterwards.
In any business, not just the modeling business, attractions happen. Over 50% of marriages are people who met at work. If you're not interested, just say so but to get all bent out of shape over it is simply not worth it. It's the way of the world and can happen at any job.
If he persists and it becomes harrassment, that's a different story...THEN you have a reason to be pissed.
Model
Rachel Jay
Posts: 20441
Nashville, Tennessee, US
J Henry wrote:
Wow.... um, I'm actually disappointed in you two. We were too exhausted anyway It was a long night.
Photographer
scott lanes
Posts: 422
Salem, Massachusetts, US
Iona Lynn wrote:
I must be ugly, I have only been propositioned for sex less than 10 times in over 400 shoots. youre def not ugly, i'd totally proposition you at a shoot lol
Model
Engel Schrei
Posts: 14458
Indianapolis, Indiana, US
Damon Banner wrote:
I didn't know I was supposed to try to sleep with you after dinner too. Maybe next time. O.o
Only if you feed me peanut butter yummies and spank me lots.
Photographer
SLE Photography
Posts: 68937
Orlando, Florida, US
MMP HH wrote:
The only time I see this happen is when you listen and dont bring an escort. If a photog doesnt want you to have one, then dont work with them. I incourage those I work with to bring the person they feel most safe and comfortable around therefore making better photos.
And I know male photogs who are the biggest pervs but keep it professional, the people you got asked by arent professional so dont work with them. 
I knew it was gonna happen. I just KNEW it.
I am going to attempt to refrain, 'cause I have WORK to do today.
But if this keeps up I'm gonna respond. I have pages of escort copypasta at my disposal, too.
Photographer
J Henry
Posts: 8775
Silver Spring, Maryland, US
Rachel Jay wrote:
We were too exhausted anyway It was a long night. And yet you both chose to get up this morning, unravished. Fail.
Photographer
Mr Banner
Posts: 85322
Hayward, California, US
MMP HH wrote:
The only time I see this happen is when you listen and dont bring an escort. If a photog doesnt want you to have one, then dont work with them. I incourage those I work with to bring the person they feel most safe and comfortable around therefore making better photos.
And I know male photogs who are the biggest pervs but keep it professional, the people you got asked by arent professional so dont work with them. Funny, I've worked with many female models, many of them have slept on my couch. I can't imagine how I'd EVER molest all of them if they had an escort. Of course, they've all left my place unmolested and alive. (Though some of them with whip marks).
Funny how that works.
Even funnier how my images are STILL great, no escort at all.
Photographer
JCL Digital Studio
Posts: 340
Indianapolis, Indiana, US
Elizabeth Claret wrote:
When you play them?
Wtf? So you're bitching about photographers wanting to hook up with you (start checking references and doing your homework if you don't want to work with people like that) but then also implying that you DO in fact, hook up with them, and then they ditch you and go for your friends?
At that point, it's not the photographer, it's just another guy and you being reckless and getting used. Elizabeth! DAMN GOOD REPLY! My thoughts exactly. Being reckless, not being assertive and choosing the wrong guys to take pictures with.
Please, PLEASE... NOT another "Photographers want to have sex with me" forum. God save us all from the redundancy.
Model
-Jen-
Posts: 46880
Howell, Michigan, US
Forbidden-Fruit wrote:
Yes that helps sometimes but not all the time.
I checked a photographer out and I contacted other models who worked with him.
I even went to meet him first before we actually shoot.
But he became a totally different person once we started shooting....The shoot was implied nude.......Wht he did to me scared me & pissed me off so bad.....That i dont really do implied nude anymore When that happens, you leave. The shoot is over. Simple as that.
Its not that hard, you know.
Model
nexiste plus
Posts: 7077
Boston, Massachusetts, US
MMP HH wrote:
Ya well what ever it was I said wrong , the problem went way over my head. Your advice is crap. It is an example of one of the problems endemic to model mayhem known as "the blind leading the blind."
Photographer
Mr Banner
Posts: 85322
Hayward, California, US
scott lanes wrote:
youre def not ugly, i'd totally proposition you at a shoot lol Her alleged husband is 6 ft 5 and used to be a running back. His arms are as thick as her whole body.
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 45198
San Juan Bautista, California, US
Another thing ... just as there are some "photographers" who try to have sex with the models, there are also so called "models" who offer themselves up for sex. It's a two way street. How you answer such proposals indicates just how "professional" you are. Sometimes it answers what profession you are in too!
Photographer
Mr Banner
Posts: 85322
Hayward, California, US
Engel Schrei wrote:
O.o
Only if you feed me peanut butter yummies and spank me lots. deal!
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