Forums > General Industry > Nude vs Implied nude, when is the line crossed?

Photographer

Turbo Studio

Posts: 88

New York, New York, US

Jules NYC wrote:
When you see a nipple or labia, period.

Why do models have nudes in their port but say they don't do them?
Loaded question, simple answer.

The nudes in their port are tasteful & they don't get the scumbag crowd looking to shoot porn spread eagle shots. 
*Spread Eagles are meant for jumping whilst skiing*

... and just sayin' nipples and labia are just parts of the body and aren't dirty, naughty or anything in my mind.

It's just the way you present them.

Some gals have inverted labia and all you see down there is a line so what's the big deal.  It's just skin, innie or outie, ha ha

The outies are a bit harder to find. I'd say only 20%.

Mar 18 11 05:49 pm Link

Photographer

BEHOLDER Art

Posts: 103

Monroe, Louisiana, US

976 Photography wrote:
Simple really, it doesn't have to be complicated...

Nude = Playboy
Implied = Maxim



If you can see the "naughty bits" (vagina, pubic hair, nipples) then it's nude. If the "naughty bits" are covered or hidden then it's implied.

Ditto smile

Mar 18 11 09:43 pm Link

Photographer

Click Hamilton

Posts: 36555

San Diego, California, US

Mnemosyne Photography wrote:
When does implied become nude, and when is nude actually nude nude?

It depends on how you and the model want to agree to succinctly define it in your photo shoot agreement.

No more, no less.

Mar 18 11 09:46 pm Link

Photographer

Nelia

Posts: 2166

San Francisco, California, US

Kyle Burnell wrote:
If there are nips or lips it's nude. That's how I see it smile

+1

Mar 19 11 02:48 pm Link

Photographer

C Gerard Studios

Posts: 7

Charlotte, North Carolina, US

976 Photography wrote:
Simple really, it doesn't have to be complicated...

Nude = Playboy
Implied = Maxim



If you can see the "naughty bits" (vagina, pubic hair, nipples) then it's nude. If the "naughty bits" are covered or hidden then it's implied.

This is the standard with EVERYONE, I have ever shot or photog'd with! Although, I do like the "Concealed" term as well. But, a few of you above stated it just as nicely. Respect the model and the craft and have fun!

Aug 28 23 01:06 pm Link

Photographer

Adventure Photos

Posts: 123

Palos Park, Illinois, US

Seems you can be totally naked, nude, but if you have everything covered you can still put down 'NO, doesnt do nudes'.  Or 'implied' nude.  I think of implied meaning sheer clothing, hidden naked under a bed sheet, or in a tub of water hidden by suds.   But to be naked and just do the 'hand bra' and the other hand over your lowers...well that's nude.  The model was naked, nude, seen nude in the studio in front of the photographer at some moment; just not captured in a pic she allowed.

Sep 02 23 06:32 pm Link

Model

JimSteeleVT

Posts: 4

Burlington, Vermont, US

Christopher Carter wrote:
And I don't mean a GWC coercing the model or other rants big_smile

I just notice a lot of profiles that claim they don't do nudes according to the profile search option.But I'm always intrigued when I see someone claim they don't shoot nudes but will do implieds, but then they have a photo where they have hair, or even a hand bra, or suspenders, or something just covering their nipples, and it really makes you think. Or better yet, when they claim they don't do nudes (and no disclaimer about how they will do them with select togs who are exceptional and god's gift to the camera), but have actual nudes in their port, topless or full or both.

Hiding under a sheet, I can see as being implied. Hiding your nipples with a thin braid of hair, not so much. IMO at least.

I'm not wanting to rant, or hear why one model can decide what she wants to do despite what her profile says. That's not what this is about.

I just want to hear thought/opinions/discussions on when something becomes actually nude, cause I'm sure everyone defines them slightly differently. Is it literally when certain body parts are fully exposed? Because hair braids don't really imply anything. It's pretty obvious you're topless under them. I'm not looking for what is nude and what isn't. Just, when is the line crossed and not implied anymore.

When does implied become nude, and when is nude actually nude nude?

Go!

Implied you are nude but the private parts are covered by something-- a sheet, a limb, a hand etc.... Nude, things are showing.

Sep 03 23 11:25 am Link

Photographer

Lallure Photographic

Posts: 2086

Taylors, South Carolina, US

Implied nude, is when the model is nude, but nipples and crotch are both concealed, in the images. We used to call that a "non-nude, nude", because the strategic ares were not revealed, although the model was obviously nude, while being photographed.

Full nude is when you reveal both nipples and crotch, in the images. That can move into Erotic, if you do anything more than reveal the crotch.

Topless is a sub-category, of nudity, where only nipples are revealed.............and there are models who will agree to topless, that will not do full nudes, and that needs to be one of the changes made in genres here on MM. The question should be two-fold: "do you do topless?", and "do you do full nude?". The models should have the ability to make that distinction.

I also have the categories of Anonymous Art Nudes, and Anonymous Erotic, for those who are ok with the content, as models, but do not want to reveal their identity. Then we use masks, hats, hair, and other props, or "blockers" to conceal their faces. That only works well if the model does NOT have easily identifying tattoos. (Another reason NOT to get tattoos.)

Many models either don't know what some genre categories consist of, or they simply choose not to correctly identify what genres they do, and they often think they can hedge on what they do. Glamour is such a genre. You should be comfortable with doing anything from street clothing to fully nude in the genre, to list it, because it is basically Playboy style of photography. It is intended to be sexy and revealing. There is very little you can do, in Erotic, as well, without being able to do nudes or semi-nudes. Both of those, often include revealing lingerie looks, also, although Lingerie as a genre, is actually a sub-category of Fashion. Because Lingerie is often revealing, or semi-revealing, it was separated into its own category. However lingerie used in the Glamour or Erotic genres is not fashion, but rather enhancement, of the model.

Most models will be wary of being asked if they do nudes. That's because of "guys with cameras", more than real photographers. It is a violation of propriety, for real photographers to try to have any sexual relationship with their models, while doing a shoot. That would be entirely unprofessional.

Rick

Sep 11 23 06:55 am Link

Model

Mdenman1987

Posts: 2

San Francisco, California, US

I was kinda wondering the same thing.  I put non nude because I don’t want someone to have the impression that I would do full frontal or exposure of my body, however I will do lingerie and something tasteful which u think my photos imply.  Not really sure where you work that into the conversation, but it’s definitely about safety and boundaries for myself.

Oct 17 23 06:52 pm Link

Photographer

Eric212Grapher

Posts: 3782

Saint Louis, Missouri, US

Mdenman1987 wrote:
I was kinda wondering the same thing.  I put non nude because I don’t want someone to have the impression that I would do full frontal or exposure of my body, however I will do lingerie and something tasteful which u think my photos imply.  Not really sure where you work that into the conversation, but it’s definitely about safety and boundaries for myself.

You work that information into the conversation by including it in your profile words.

Oct 18 23 01:24 am Link

Photographer

JohnTozziPhotography

Posts: 90

Seattle, Washington, US

Mdenman1987 wrote:
I was kinda wondering the same thing.  I put non nude because I don’t want someone to have the impression that I would do full frontal or exposure of my body, however I will do lingerie and something tasteful which u think my photos imply.  Not really sure where you work that into the conversation, but it’s definitely about safety and boundaries for myself.

It helps to have a photo in your portfolio that you can point to and say “that image, that is as far as I will go with a photographer on a first shoot”. Making it visual helps.

Oct 18 23 03:23 pm Link