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Photographer

PR Zone

Posts: 769

London, England, United Kingdom

What was I expecting?

Maybe, "Thanks!  Tomorrow's not good - but can you do next weekend"

Overall, things are nice and busy - we were booked ever day last week and I'm fine being free today - will give me a chance to get a designer friend over to see if we can create an intelligent 'back drops / set building' system for future use...

...but I keep spinning it around the other way:

Photographer wants to shoot 3 girls in a 'phantasy' environment and a model tells him that she will make that happen...   When he gets the call 3 weeks laters say "Ladies and outfits are ready to go" - would blowing them off be the right choice?...

Just a thought

Feb 09 13 11:28 pm Link

Photographer

imcFOTO

Posts: 579

Bothell, Washington, US

PR Zone wrote:
Saw a casting from a Model who wanted to create a very specific look - matching a famous singer. The model has the body, not the face, but with a great MUA the look could be achieved

I offered to do it - free - including studio, photography, MUA and retouching, but needed a specific MUA to be available

That was at the start of the 3rd week in January

The MUA contacted me today to say she's free tomorrow, so I contact the model to tie it down - and I'm informed that my 'Services are no longer required' because I have 'made her wait too long' and that the 3 week delay was 'totally unprofessional'


Er...  "Sorry, that was the first time that the hundreds of pounds worth of free work was available"

Or is it me?

Well at first glance it does make her sound like a diva but you didn't say anything regarding what communication you had in between. Did you really leave it 3 weeks and then tell here - hey I'm ready to shoot tomorrow! If it was something like that then maybe she has a point? Communication is always important even if it's just to reassure someone you haven't forgotten about them.

Feb 10 13 12:51 am Link

Photographer

imcFOTO

Posts: 579

Bothell, Washington, US

PR Zone wrote:
What was I expecting?

Maybe, "Thanks!  Tomorrow's not good - but can you do next weekend"

Overall, things are nice and busy - we were booked ever day last week and I'm fine being free today - will give me a chance to get a designer friend over to see if we can create an intelligent 'back drops / set building' system for future use...

...but I keep spinning it around the other way:

Photographer wants to shoot 3 girls in a 'phantasy' environment and a model tells him that she will make that happen...   When he gets the call 3 weeks laters say "Ladies and outfits are ready to go" - would blowing them off be the right choice?...

Just a thought

But you didn't answer the question - did you communicate during those 3 weeks? If not - you're the one most at fault. Even if you did keep in touch - did you even discuss whether she'd be available at very short notice? Most models I know probably couldn't do a next day shoot that easily.

I'm surprised at how people jump on board and call her a diva without knowing the full story.

Feb 10 13 12:57 am Link

Photographer

E H

Posts: 659

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

You do know the free thing doesn't pay well....
If you are giving it for free what is it worth? nothing,, no time, no effort and no commitment.
  Might happen if you get the right hair/makeup??
  Model calls you with the idea,call the hair/makeup/ ask if they do it what cost,, add your price call model back tell her can be done for this amount. yes/no, DONE....

Feb 10 13 01:15 am Link

Photographer

Peach Jones

Posts: 6400

Champaign, Illinois, US

MoRina wrote:
She wasn't as committed to the vision as you were.  Maybe that is because of lack of communication on your part...who knows?  Maybe you didn't explain the concept enough in terms that she understood so that she was on board with it.  Maybe she didn't think you were good enough to pull it off...maybe she didn't think she was good enough to pull it off.

When there was a delay in setting a date, did she know what the delay was for?  Was she expecting to hear from you within a couple days?  It is hard to tell what someone else is thinking if you haven't really communicated it properly.

+1

the problem is that using "texting" we lose so much in interpretation. What you were thinking could have very well be different from hers.....and visa versa. So no worries. You just saving yourself and the MUA some time.....so relax and enjoy your time off. Have a margaretta and enjoy a movie or something

Feb 10 13 01:55 am Link

Photographer

RKD Photographic

Posts: 3265

Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany

If I hadn't heard from a model for three weeks after making overtures and she said "Shoot Tomorrow?" - I might - if I wasn't doing anything else.

But to be honest if I don't hear back from models within 7 days after first contact, I give up on them (assuming they've been online and read the message). Maybe she's the same? Can't blame her really.

I chase models up once a week or so if the shoot is scheduled for within the next month and every month or so if it's longer, with confirmatory emails one week and then one day before the shoot. Nothing dramatic, just "Hi, how's it going? Still OK for XXX date?"

Feb 10 13 04:27 am Link

Photographer

Flex Photography

Posts: 5297

Sudbury, Ontario, Canada

MainePaintah wrote:
I read this post as "unrealistic expectations" from both parties.

This! You both blew it!
Communication was lacking, and that is a 2 way street!
You both failed to communicate well! Move on and learn.

Feb 10 13 02:24 pm Link

Photographer

Anthony Yuen

Posts: 139

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

I agree with the majority of the replies.  The fault is on the OP, based on what was written.

1. Did the model even know that the OP was doing all the preparation behind the scenes?

2. Did the OP really expect people to just do something "tomorrow" at the drop of the hat?

Feb 10 13 10:32 pm Link

Photographer

Lone Pine Photography

Posts: 38

Savannah, Georgia, US

Don't let someone else be in charge of your creative success.  Do the shoot anyway with a different model.  I would.

Feb 10 13 10:43 pm Link

Model

E e v a

Posts: 1724

Nashville, Tennessee, US

That highly annoys me when people do what you do, as a model. I and many models like me actually go shop for wardrobe. If you do an initial contact then drop for 3 weeks, we assume you bailed. Then to contact saying you're suddenly ready will rush us into a frenzy of stress if we do decide to accept it.

Many models need time and planning. If you want to keep a shoot, constantly update the model at least every few days.

Feb 10 13 10:43 pm Link

Model

Caitin Bre

Posts: 2248

Naperville, Illinois, US

Samantha Emme wrote:
That highly annoys me when people do what you do, as a model. I and many models like me actually go shop for wardrobe. If you do an initial contact then drop for 3 weeks, we assume you bailed. Then to contact saying you're suddenly ready will rush us into a frenzy of stress if we do decide to accept it.

Many models need time and planning. If you want to keep a shoot, constantly update the model at least every few days.

+1

Feb 11 13 09:35 am Link

Photographer

Silver Mirage

Posts: 1578

Plainview, Texas, US

Three weeks could easily be long enough for a model to find another photographer or lose interest in the project -- especially if there was not good communication during that time.

Maybe the bit about being unprofessional was excessive, but it should not be a surprise when people lose interest. Happens to all of us, all the time.

Feb 11 13 09:42 am Link

Photographer

rp_photo

Posts: 42495

Houston, Texas, US

PR Zone wrote:
Or is it me?

Some models have abysmally short attention spans.

3 weeks to them is like 3 months or more to photographers like us.

Feb 11 13 09:58 am Link

Photographer

Darren Brade

Posts: 2834

London, England, United Kingdom

Definitely your communication skills at fault, based on the fact you skipped all the question posed on page one.

Give the model a timeframe and update her regularly.

Darren
www.facebook.com/darrenbradephotograpy

Feb 11 13 10:53 am Link

Makeup Artist

Cynna Stylz MUA

Posts: 217

New York, New York, US

To me it seems like your were more invested in the project than she was. She sparked your interest. Now you have a spectacular MUA...so get 3 models to recreate that look. Create weekend sessions and if you can get another MUA (if the other may not be available)  all the better. Develop the concept till its perfect. You answered a casting that sparked your interest, now throw it back out in the universe and see what happens.

Best o' luck
Cyn

Feb 11 13 02:21 pm Link

Photographer

DennisRoliffPhotography

Posts: 1928

Akron, Ohio, US

terrysphotocountry wrote:
Did you tell the model that you would try to put a team together? Sounds like that model just wants people to jump threw her hops.

or her barley. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/biggrin.gif

Feb 11 13 03:43 pm Link

Photographer

PR Zone

Posts: 769

London, England, United Kingdom

Final Word

Someone needs several hundred pounds worth of studio, photography, make up and editing - you speak, twice, and say that you'll 'put it together for them', but it takes 21 days...  I think it's nice that a stranger makes that effort for you 'at all'

In the meantime, we've shot with a number of other models - some of which have also been published - and the 'positive tags' continue to roll in

My advice?

If you need a lot of stuff done and someone says they'll do it - for free - then it might be worth ringing to check on progress (just) before your toys go out of the pram

Feb 15 13 10:58 pm Link