David M Russell wrote:
I blame the internet.

It's a lot easier to be rude when there's no chance you'll ever meet somebody and will never have to look them directly in the eye.

Nah. You can't blame 'the Internet'. The Internet is a 'thing' and inanimate 'object' (until it becomes sentient and take over the whole world!) so it doesn't 'do' anything - it just facilitates.

KonstantKarma wrote:
And she hasn't even met me yet!

Just don't turn this into some sort of competition, 'cause I'll win every time... haha

Krisna Fretwell  wrote:
Why are some people in here so rude??? Maybe it's just me and my southern upbringin but is it really all that necessary to speak (type) to someone with disrespect??!! I see it everywhere. It's definetly a downfall to be around people like that..,

Are you sure that insulting the members here is a good way to introduce yourself?

If you feel it's a "downfall" to be around us here, why are you now asking us to solve your problems for you?

There are rude, stupid, arrogant, disrespectful people EVERYWHERE. I bet there are plenty on omp, plenty on Facebook, plenty in your home town.

If somebody is rude to you, block them, ignore them, don't give them the time of day and don't give them the satisfaction of letting them see they've riled you.

MM is no different than any other social media website. You can take the good with the bad or you can exercise your prerogative not to bother with it any more. Nobody's forcing you either way.

Personally, I hope you stay and get something positive out of this site - there are a lot of good people here and a lot of good advice to be had if you're willing to listen to it.

However, what you will find is that in the forums people don't tolerate fools gladly and making a fool of yourself will usually be met with some pretty sharp responses. The best advice when it comes to the forums is to watch and read for a few weeks before posting anything, and then to just post a few non-contentious replies in existing threads to get a feel for it before posting a new thread of your own.

Don't go into the Photographers' forum complaining that Photographers are "rude" and "only want to see you nekkid"; don't go into the HMU forum complaining that all MUAs are cheap because they want to charge you a kit fee; don't go into the Models' forum complaining that girls of a different size/colour/build than you get all the best jobs; don't post a thread about Escorts and don't ask how much you should be paid if you only have 4 cellphone images in your portfolio.

Aside from that, have fun!



Ash.

salvatori. wrote:

Just don't turn this into some sort of competition, 'cause I'll win every time... haha

Only on days I'm off my game...

Brooks Ayola wrote:
Welcome to Model Mayhem, where oversensitivity rules.

Well put...oops that is the truth, is that rude?????

KonstantKarma wrote:
...none of us have any idea what's going on here, anyway.

Wait, I object! I know everything- oh, hold on, that's right...

Wow, the truth really does hurt.

Kelly Anne-Marie wrote:

She is talking about in general, the crap that goes on. That's how I understand at least.

Since she's not an active forum user, I suspect she's talking about responses that've happened via PM.

I have my suspicions as to what they are.

AJScalzitti wrote:
Well it is a harsh business.  I suspect PMs are the issue, perhaps related to her profile demands - but we can't be sure and she has no doubt left this thread behind.

^

AJScalzitti wrote:
Well it is a harsh business.  I suspect PMs are the issue, perhaps related to her profile demands - but we can't be sure and she has no doubt left this thread behind.

I figured the same thing.

Drew Smith Photography wrote:

Brig this person too! Swear words on MM!

Oh won't somebody think of the children!?

*GIF please.

Oh wash my mouth out with soap. Kids have heard worse from a Samuel L. Jackson movie.

I will NOT lose weight for any photographer or company.

I need to add this to my profile

Krisna Fretwell  wrote:
Wow. This has by far gotten outta hand. My mama raised me to treat people with the utmost respect even if you don't like them it agree with something. Being a photographer or a model does not give you a free pass to talk to people with disrespect... When you don't have anything nice to say y'all shouldn't say anything at all. And it wasnt as people in a whole. It was meant towards the people who can't say anything nice to anyone and they may it may not know who they are.
I sincerely feel sorry for those of you who will continuously be "rude" even on a forum about it
Y'all have a good day

Amen! I was raised to respect people, as well. I don't understand why people have to be rude here to get their point across. Yes, sometimes we ask for critique, but there are ways to tell someone that they aren't your cup of tea or need to do something different without being nasty about it.

Krisna Fretwell  wrote:
Wow. This has by far gotten outta hand. My mama raised me to treat people with the utmost respect even if you don't like them it agree with something. Being a photographer or a model does not give you a free pass to talk to people with disrespect... When you don't have anything nice to say y'all shouldn't say anything at all. And it wasnt as people in a whole. It was meant towards the people who can't say anything nice to anyone and they may it may not know who they are.
I sincerely feel sorry for those of you who will continuously be "rude" even on a forum about it
Y'all have a good day

I come from the Northeast. I was raised to respect people who earned and deserved respect. My mother also raised me to be honest in my feelings. If someone is being a douche, I don't put on a saccharin smile, repress the anger, and then go home and throw my Calphalon pans all over the kitchen.

I tell them they're being a douche.

Sometimes that honesty is taken as rudeness. But I find it to be a very honorable and effective trait that I also admire in others.

Edit: I will say that I personally find it rude when people from The South claim that manners or being polite is somehow inherent to a "Southern upbringing" as if they are somehow more polite than other areas of the country.

I've met a lot of people from the south who couldn't spell the word "polite", let alone define it.

Danielle Kitten wrote:
Off topic but I do like her 3rd commandment:

I will NOT lose weight for any photographer or company.

Profile commandments are like using a skunk (complete with scent glands) to drum up business in a mall.

Orca Bay Images wrote:

Profile commandments are like using a skunk (complete with scent glands) to drum up business in a mall.

I'd like to point out, that if people read her statistics... she's 120lbs at 5'10''(The OP). Her putting her foot down on weight, and not allowing companies or photographers to tell her to lose it... is quite understandable. One would think that photographers want pictures of women, not stick figures. I think she's actually quite beautiful, and has every right to say what does and doesn't happen to her body. It's her body, and her rights. Sure, it means she doesn't get as much work, but she won't lose her own personal self image... for a photoshoot. I commend her on this, I enjoy when people stick to their guns, and refuse to allow others to change them.

Nico Simon Princely wrote:
Generally it's a lack of penis size or sexual frustration if you believe Freud...lol

But seriously it everywhere online. People feel like being the tough guy/girl well hidden away behind a computers screen.

Always remember this... 98% of the time. Mean people are miserable in their own lives and feel powerless in their lives so the tear others down to feel better about themselves. I have yet to see a happy successful person that goes around attacking others.

There are always exceptions to the rule, but generally that's what it is.

^
This.

I've always lived by this. As a Cosplayer, and a model, or a normal person, this is what I live by. I look at the people insulting me, and try to figure out why they are doing it. (Or being rude)

If I realize their attempts at being rude/insulting are a result of self-esteem or confidence issues or bad life, I tend to tell them that they shouldn't take their issues out on other people. Get to the source of the problem, don't treat the affliction with false hopes via insulting or being rude to others.

But that's just me.

Nice to see that someone else understands this motto!

AngelicaDemonica wrote:

I'd like to point out, that if people read her statistics... she's 120lbs at 5'10''(The OP). Her putting her foot down on weight, and not allowing companies or photographers to tell her to lose it... is quite understandable. One would think that photographers want pictures of women, not stick figures. I think she's actually quite beautiful, and has every right to say what does and doesn't happen to her body. It's her body, and her rights. Sure, it means she doesn't get as much work, but she won't lose her own personal self image... for a photoshoot. I commend her on this, I enjoy when people stick to their guns, and refuse to allow others to change them.

That's all well and good, but that still doesn't mean that a noob posting commandments is a wise first impression.

Orca Bay Images wrote:
You pottymouth white-knights should be ashamed of yourselves!

That is amazing!

Orca Bay Images wrote:
That's all well and good, but that still doesn't mean that a noob posting commandments is a wise first impression.

At the same point though, her knowing what she will and won't do off the bat is useful. She's comfortable with who she is. It's a simple thing:
Photographers/Companies who don't like it? Don't have to work with her.
She doesn't have to work with people that tell her she has to change who she is.


I've had photographers tell me that I needed to get under 100, and I told them that I wasn't going to change my image for a job.

Yes, it causes less work, but at the same point... it means that she is comfortable with who she is, and doesn't feel she should change it for anyone.

AngelicaDemonica wrote:
I'd like to point out, that if people read her statistics... she's 120lbs at 5'10''(The OP). Her putting her foot down on weight, and not allowing companies or photographers to tell her to lose it... is quite understandable. One would think that photographers want pictures of women, not stick figures. I think she's actually quite beautiful, and has every right to say what does and doesn't happen to her body. It's her body, and her rights. Sure, it means she doesn't get as much work, but she won't lose her own personal self image... for a photoshoot. I commend her on this, I enjoy when people stick to their guns, and refuse to allow others to change them.

My problem with a 'commandment' like this one is that putting it on MM is useless. I mean, how many models here would seriously consider an offer from a photographer that says, 'I want to shoot with you 30 days from today; but only if you lose 'x' number of pounds...'

I'm all for people sticking by their beliefs but it just puts me off to see it on an Internet site where it serves no purpose. And honestly, how many reputable companies shop directly for models on a site like MM? I believe they are going to agencies.

This 'commandment' falls in line with warnings in a model's portfolio such as, 'this isn't a dating site... blah, blah...' The dopes this is aimed at don't care and it isn't necessary to tell any actual photographers; so it just comes off as drama.

So does a DEMAND for bringing an escort.

IMHO

Krisna Fretwell  wrote:
Why are some people in here so rude??? Maybe it's just me and my southern upbringin but is it really all that necessary to speak (type) to someone with disrespect??!! I see it everywhere. It's definetly a downfall to be around people like that..,

So do I.  I photographers treating models with disrespect on occasion; assuming the model is open to styles, or not photography activities they aren't, or expecting to be paid with no particular accomplishments to justify it., and I see models treating photographers that way; assuming they should be paid with no particular accomplishments to supporting, implying that being a photographer means you are some how dangerous, etc.

All you can do is treat the people you interact with respectfully, and ignore those who don't return the favor.

Krisna Fretwell  wrote:
Why are some people in here so rude??? Maybe it's just me and my southern upbringin but is it really all that necessary to speak (type) to someone with disrespect??!! I see it everywhere. It's definetly a downfall to be around people like that..,

1)  I find that treating models politely & with respect can be a competitive advantage for me.

2)  There's a phenomenon that I call "Internet Bravado" which makes people believe that they are "safe" and even "anonymous" when sitting at home typing on their computer.  In particular, they feel they can say things that they wouldn't say to peoples' faces.

3)  We admire rude comedians too much.  Many believe that being rude approximates wit. It rarely is.

4)  Being constructive is so haaaaard!

David M Russell wrote:
I blame the internet.

It's a lot easier to be rude when there's no chance you'll ever meet somebody and will never have to look them directly in the eye.

Kelly Anne-Marie wrote:
I'm sorry but that's the same as saying, I blame the gun...not the guy behind the gun.

Actually, no it isn't.

It's more like saying "it's easier to act tough when you have a gun, or when there's a police officer behind you."

Orca Bay Images wrote:

Danielle Kitten wrote:
Off topic but I do like her 3rd commandment:

Profile commandments are like using a skunk (complete with scent glands) to drum up business in a mall.

Yeah not saying I'd ever use commandments on my profile