Photographer

David M Russell

Posts: 1133

New York, New York, US

I blame the internet.

It's a lot easier to be rude when there's no chance you'll ever meet somebody and will never have to look them directly in the eye.

Mar 15 13 04:37 am Link

Photographer

Drew Smith Photography

Posts: 5210

Nottingham, England, United Kingdom

David M Russell wrote:
I blame the internet.

It's a lot easier to be rude when there's no chance you'll ever meet somebody and will never have to look them directly in the eye.

Nah. You can't blame 'the Internet'. The Internet is a 'thing' and inanimate 'object' (until it becomes sentient and take over the whole world!) so it doesn't 'do' anything - it just facilitates.

Mar 15 13 04:40 am Link

Photographer

KonstantKarma

Posts: 2513

Hickory, North Carolina, US

And she hasn't even met me yet!

Mar 15 13 04:46 am Link

Photographer

salvatori.

Posts: 3836

Bellefonte, Pennsylvania, US

KonstantKarma wrote:
And she hasn't even met me yet!

Just don't turn this into some sort of competition, 'cause I'll win every time... haha

tongue

Mar 15 13 05:41 am Link

Photographer

Ash Photographic

Posts: 378

Cirencester, England, United Kingdom

Krisna Fretwell  wrote:
Why are some people in here so rude??? Maybe it's just me and my southern upbringin but is it really all that necessary to speak (type) to someone with disrespect??!! I see it everywhere. It's definetly a downfall to be around people like that..,

Are you sure that insulting the members here is a good way to introduce yourself? neutral

If you feel it's a "downfall" to be around us here, why are you now asking us to solve your problems for you?

There are rude, stupid, arrogant, disrespectful people EVERYWHERE. I bet there are plenty on omp, plenty on Facebook, plenty in your home town.

If somebody is rude to you, block them, ignore them, don't give them the time of day and don't give them the satisfaction of letting them see they've riled you.

MM is no different than any other social media website. You can take the good with the bad or you can exercise your prerogative not to bother with it any more. Nobody's forcing you either way.

Personally, I hope you stay and get something positive out of this site - there are a lot of good people here and a lot of good advice to be had if you're willing to listen to it.

However, what you will find is that in the forums people don't tolerate fools gladly and making a fool of yourself will usually be met with some pretty sharp responses. The best advice when it comes to the forums is to watch and read for a few weeks before posting anything, and then to just post a few non-contentious replies in existing threads to get a feel for it before posting a new thread of your own.

Don't go into the Photographers' forum complaining that Photographers are "rude" and "only want to see you nekkid"; don't go into the HMU forum complaining that all MUAs are cheap because they want to charge you a kit fee; don't go into the Models' forum complaining that girls of a different size/colour/build than you get all the best jobs; don't post a thread about Escorts and don't ask how much you should be paid if you only have 4 cellphone images in your portfolio.

Aside from that, have fun! smile



Ash.

Mar 15 13 06:00 am Link

Photographer

KonstantKarma

Posts: 2513

Hickory, North Carolina, US

salvatori. wrote:

Just don't turn this into some sort of competition, 'cause I'll win every time... haha

tongue

Only on days I'm off my game... wink

Mar 15 13 06:12 am Link

Model

Stormee

Posts: 2463

San Antonio, Texas, US

Mar 15 13 06:14 am Link

Photographer

D-Fotograf

Posts: 54

Frankfurt, Hassia, Germany

Brooks Ayola wrote:
Welcome to Model Mayhem, where oversensitivity rules.

Well put...oops that is the truth, is that rude?????

Mar 15 13 06:21 am Link

Photographer

KonstantKarma

Posts: 2513

Hickory, North Carolina, US

http://inspirably.com/uploads/user/877-if-its-the-truth-it-aint-rude.png


I had a spiritual teacher who used to quote the bumper sticker: The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off. lol


Since none of us have any idea what's going on here, anyway.

Mar 15 13 06:25 am Link

Photographer

salvatori.

Posts: 3836

Bellefonte, Pennsylvania, US

KonstantKarma wrote:
...none of us have any idea what's going on here, anyway.

Wait, I object! I know everything- oh, hold on, that's right...

Wow, the truth really does hurt.

tongue

Mar 15 13 06:28 am Link

Model

Stormee

Posts: 2463

San Antonio, Texas, US

Mar 15 13 06:33 am Link

Photographer

KonstantKarma

Posts: 2513

Hickory, North Carolina, US

Kelly Anne-Marie wrote:

She is talking about in general, the crap that goes on. That's how I understand at least.

Since she's not an active forum user, I suspect she's talking about responses that've happened via PM.

I have my suspicions as to what they are.

Mar 15 13 06:36 am Link

Model

Stormee

Posts: 2463

San Antonio, Texas, US

Mar 15 13 06:37 am Link

Model

Stormee

Posts: 2463

San Antonio, Texas, US

Mar 15 13 06:39 am Link

Photographer

AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 12827

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Well it is a harsh business.  I suspect PMs are the issue, perhaps related to her profile demands - but we can't be sure and she has no doubt left this thread behind.

Mar 15 13 06:42 am Link

Photographer

KonstantKarma

Posts: 2513

Hickory, North Carolina, US

AJScalzitti wrote:
Well it is a harsh business.  I suspect PMs are the issue, perhaps related to her profile demands - but we can't be sure and she has no doubt left this thread behind.

^

Mar 15 13 06:56 am Link

Model

Alexey VS

Posts: 256

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Whether someone rude or not is only a matter of your perception :-) If you feel that someone is disrespecting you, you should tell them how you feel and give them a chance to communicate themselves the way that works for you. Remember that they might be wondering why you are so rude yourself!

Mar 15 13 07:17 am Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 27960

Dearborn, Michigan, US

AJScalzitti wrote:
Well it is a harsh business.  I suspect PMs are the issue, perhaps related to her profile demands - but we can't be sure and she has no doubt left this thread behind.

I figured the same thing.

Mar 15 13 07:17 am Link

Photographer

Decay of Memory

Posts: 600

Asheville, North Carolina, US

I've heard that strident profile demands can draw harsh responses. But that's a bit off topic, I have no idea why people are rude.

Welcome to MM!

Mar 15 13 07:36 am Link

Model

Danielle Reid

Posts: 4379

Little Rock, Arkansas, US

Drew Smith Photography wrote:

Brig this person too! Swear words on MM!

Oh won't somebody think of the children!?

*GIF please.

Oh wash my mouth out with soap. Kids have heard worse from a Samuel L. Jackson movie.

Mar 15 13 09:44 am Link

Model

Danielle Reid

Posts: 4379

Little Rock, Arkansas, US

Off topic but I do like her 3rd commandment:

I will NOT lose weight for any photographer or company.

I need to add this to my profile

Mar 15 13 09:46 am Link

Photographer

ontherocks

Posts: 22605

Salem, Oregon, US

i think sometimes there's a battle of the sexes on here and a battle of generations as well. a model just posted a thread about why can't people be more positive? good question.

Mar 15 13 09:51 am Link

Model

GinaChic

Posts: 30

Moncks Corner, South Carolina, US

Krisna Fretwell  wrote:
Wow. This has by far gotten outta hand. My mama raised me to treat people with the utmost respect even if you don't like them it agree with something. Being a photographer or a model does not give you a free pass to talk to people with disrespect... When you don't have anything nice to say y'all shouldn't say anything at all. And it wasnt as people in a whole. It was meant towards the people who can't say anything nice to anyone and they may it may not know who they are.
I sincerely feel sorry for those of you who will continuously be "rude" even on a forum about it
Y'all have a good day smile

Amen! I was raised to respect people, as well. I don't understand why people have to be rude here to get their point across. Yes, sometimes we ask for critique, but there are ways to tell someone that they aren't your cup of tea or need to do something different without being nasty about it.

Mar 15 13 10:05 am Link

Model

Stormee

Posts: 2463

San Antonio, Texas, US

Mar 15 13 10:13 am Link

Photographer

Anthony Yuen

Posts: 139

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Without any concrete examples, it's impossible to say what is rude and what is not.  Everyone has different tolerance levels and measuring sticks.

For all we know, the OP may be calling everyone who eats meat "rude", because she is a vegan/vegetarian.  smile

Mar 15 13 01:19 pm Link

Photographer

M Pandolfo Photography

Posts: 12116

Tampa, Florida, US

Krisna Fretwell  wrote:
Wow. This has by far gotten outta hand. My mama raised me to treat people with the utmost respect even if you don't like them it agree with something. Being a photographer or a model does not give you a free pass to talk to people with disrespect... When you don't have anything nice to say y'all shouldn't say anything at all. And it wasnt as people in a whole. It was meant towards the people who can't say anything nice to anyone and they may it may not know who they are.
I sincerely feel sorry for those of you who will continuously be "rude" even on a forum about it
Y'all have a good day smile

I come from the Northeast. I was raised to respect people who earned and deserved respect. My mother also raised me to be honest in my feelings. If someone is being a douche, I don't put on a saccharin smile, repress the anger, and then go home and throw my Calphalon pans all over the kitchen.

I tell them they're being a douche.

Sometimes that honesty is taken as rudeness. But I find it to be a very honorable and effective trait that I also admire in others.

Edit: I will say that I personally find it rude when people from The South claim that manners or being polite is somehow inherent to a "Southern upbringing" as if they are somehow more polite than other areas of the country.

I've met a lot of people from the south who couldn't spell the word "polite", let alone define it.

Mar 15 13 01:31 pm Link

Photographer

Orca Bay Images

Posts: 32233

Lodi, California, US

Danielle Kitten wrote:
Off topic but I do like her 3rd commandment:

I will NOT lose weight for any photographer or company.

Profile commandments are like using a skunk (complete with scent glands) to drum up business in a mall.

Mar 15 13 01:36 pm Link

Model

AngelicaDemonica

Posts: 81

Cornelius, Oregon, US

Orca Bay Images wrote:

Profile commandments are like using a skunk (complete with scent glands) to drum up business in a mall.

I'd like to point out, that if people read her statistics... she's 120lbs at 5'10''(The OP). Her putting her foot down on weight, and not allowing companies or photographers to tell her to lose it... is quite understandable. One would think that photographers want pictures of women, not stick figures. I think she's actually quite beautiful, and has every right to say what does and doesn't happen to her body. It's her body, and her rights. Sure, it means she doesn't get as much work, but she won't lose her own personal self image... for a photoshoot. I commend her on this, I enjoy when people stick to their guns, and refuse to allow others to change them.

Mar 15 13 01:46 pm Link

Photographer

Nico Simon Princely

Posts: 1876

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Generally it's a lack of penis size or sexual frustration if you believe Freud...lol

But seriously it everywhere online. People feel like being the tough guy/girl well hidden away behind a computers screen.

Always remember this... 98% of the time. Mean people are miserable in their own lives and feel powerless in their lives so the tear others down to feel better about themselves. I have yet to see a happy successful person that goes around attacking others.

There are always exceptions to the rule, but generally that's what it is.

And just because it's true does not make it not rude or inconsiderate.

There is an AVATAR on MM right now that I can't stand to look at so much because I think it's the ugliest picture I have ever seen on here and the guy is trading comments on it.

But it's not my place to tell him how ugly I think the picture is. Because I would not want someone to come out and critique me unsolicited.

Not to mention truth is subjective what's true for one might not be true in the eyes of another.

You only need one rule in life and it's been taught in every Region on the planet in one form or another.

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" - Christ

"Do not do to others what you would not want done to you." - Confucius 2000 years before Christ.

AKA Basic Consideration for Others.

That would solve most of the worlds problems if we all followed it.

Mar 15 13 01:55 pm Link

Model

AngelicaDemonica

Posts: 81

Cornelius, Oregon, US

Nico Simon Princely wrote:
Generally it's a lack of penis size or sexual frustration if you believe Freud...lol

But seriously it everywhere online. People feel like being the tough guy/girl well hidden away behind a computers screen.

Always remember this... 98% of the time. Mean people are miserable in their own lives and feel powerless in their lives so the tear others down to feel better about themselves. I have yet to see a happy successful person that goes around attacking others.

There are always exceptions to the rule, but generally that's what it is.

^
This.

I've always lived by this. As a Cosplayer, and a model, or a normal person, this is what I live by. I look at the people insulting me, and try to figure out why they are doing it. (Or being rude)

If I realize their attempts at being rude/insulting are a result of self-esteem or confidence issues or bad life, I tend to tell them that they shouldn't take their issues out on other people. Get to the source of the problem, don't treat the affliction with false hopes via insulting or being rude to others.

But that's just me.

Nice to see that someone else understands this motto!

Mar 15 13 02:00 pm Link

Photographer

Orca Bay Images

Posts: 32233

Lodi, California, US

AngelicaDemonica wrote:

I'd like to point out, that if people read her statistics... she's 120lbs at 5'10''(The OP). Her putting her foot down on weight, and not allowing companies or photographers to tell her to lose it... is quite understandable. One would think that photographers want pictures of women, not stick figures. I think she's actually quite beautiful, and has every right to say what does and doesn't happen to her body. It's her body, and her rights. Sure, it means she doesn't get as much work, but she won't lose her own personal self image... for a photoshoot. I commend her on this, I enjoy when people stick to their guns, and refuse to allow others to change them.

That's all well and good, but that still doesn't mean that a noob posting commandments is a wise first impression.

Mar 15 13 02:24 pm Link

Model

Kozmina

Posts: 6534

Colorado Springs, Colorado, US

Orca Bay Images wrote:
You pottymouth white-knights should be ashamed of yourselves!

http://like-o-meter.com/img/uploads/327-a045e818.jpg

That is amazing! lol lol

Mar 15 13 02:26 pm Link

Model

AngelicaDemonica

Posts: 81

Cornelius, Oregon, US

Orca Bay Images wrote:
That's all well and good, but that still doesn't mean that a noob posting commandments is a wise first impression.

At the same point though, her knowing what she will and won't do off the bat is useful. She's comfortable with who she is. It's a simple thing:
Photographers/Companies who don't like it? Don't have to work with her.
She doesn't have to work with people that tell her she has to change who she is.


I've had photographers tell me that I needed to get under 100, and I told them that I wasn't going to change my image for a job.

Yes, it causes less work, but at the same point... it means that she is comfortable with who she is, and doesn't feel she should change it for anyone.

Mar 15 13 02:33 pm Link

Photographer

salvatori.

Posts: 3836

Bellefonte, Pennsylvania, US

AngelicaDemonica wrote:
I'd like to point out, that if people read her statistics... she's 120lbs at 5'10''(The OP). Her putting her foot down on weight, and not allowing companies or photographers to tell her to lose it... is quite understandable. One would think that photographers want pictures of women, not stick figures. I think she's actually quite beautiful, and has every right to say what does and doesn't happen to her body. It's her body, and her rights. Sure, it means she doesn't get as much work, but she won't lose her own personal self image... for a photoshoot. I commend her on this, I enjoy when people stick to their guns, and refuse to allow others to change them.

My problem with a 'commandment' like this one is that putting it on MM is useless. I mean, how many models here would seriously consider an offer from a photographer that says, 'I want to shoot with you 30 days from today; but only if you lose 'x' number of pounds...'

I'm all for people sticking by their beliefs but it just puts me off to see it on an Internet site where it serves no purpose. And honestly, how many reputable companies shop directly for models on a site like MM? I believe they are going to agencies.

This 'commandment' falls in line with warnings in a model's portfolio such as, 'this isn't a dating site... blah, blah...' The dopes this is aimed at don't care and it isn't necessary to tell any actual photographers; so it just comes off as drama.

So does a DEMAND for bringing an escort.

IMHO

Mar 15 13 02:48 pm Link

Photographer

1873 Images

Posts: 364

Binghamton, New York, US

Maybe it's all the rude people that don't like all the smiley faces in the casting call here

http://www.modelmayhem.com/casting/1721133

Mar 15 13 02:49 pm Link

Photographer

Art of the nude

Posts: 11892

Olivet, Michigan, US

Krisna Fretwell  wrote:
Why are some people in here so rude??? Maybe it's just me and my southern upbringin but is it really all that necessary to speak (type) to someone with disrespect??!! I see it everywhere. It's definetly a downfall to be around people like that..,

So do I.  I photographers treating models with disrespect on occasion; assuming the model is open to styles, or not photography activities they aren't, or expecting to be paid with no particular accomplishments to justify it., and I see models treating photographers that way; assuming they should be paid with no particular accomplishments to supporting, implying that being a photographer means you are some how dangerous, etc.

All you can do is treat the people you interact with respectfully, and ignore those who don't return the favor.

Mar 15 13 03:57 pm Link

Photographer

Looknsee Photography

Posts: 21648

Portland, Oregon, US

Krisna Fretwell  wrote:
Why are some people in here so rude??? Maybe it's just me and my southern upbringin but is it really all that necessary to speak (type) to someone with disrespect??!! I see it everywhere. It's definetly a downfall to be around people like that..,

1)  I find that treating models politely & with respect can be a competitive advantage for me.

2)  There's a phenomenon that I call "Internet Bravado" which makes people believe that they are "safe" and even "anonymous" when sitting at home typing on their computer.  In particular, they feel they can say things that they wouldn't say to peoples' faces.

3)  We admire rude comedians too much.  Many believe that being rude approximates wit. It rarely is.

4)  Being constructive is so haaaaard!

Mar 15 13 04:09 pm Link

Photographer

Art of the nude

Posts: 11892

Olivet, Michigan, US

David M Russell wrote:
I blame the internet.

It's a lot easier to be rude when there's no chance you'll ever meet somebody and will never have to look them directly in the eye.

Kelly Anne-Marie wrote:
I'm sorry but that's the same as saying, I blame the gun...not the guy behind the gun.

Actually, no it isn't.

It's more like saying "it's easier to act tough when you have a gun, or when there's a police officer behind you."

Mar 15 13 04:17 pm Link

Model

Danielle Reid

Posts: 4379

Little Rock, Arkansas, US

Orca Bay Images wrote:

Danielle Kitten wrote:
Off topic but I do like her 3rd commandment:

Profile commandments are like using a skunk (complete with scent glands) to drum up business in a mall.

Yeah not saying I'd ever use commandments on my profile

Mar 15 13 04:23 pm Link

Model

Amber Dawn - Colorado

Posts: 6243

Castle Rock, Colorado, US

You will see a lot of that on here

Mar 15 13 07:12 pm Link