Photographer
Abbitt Photography
Posts: 13564
Washington, Utah, US
It looks like you removed the requirement for an escort and shared copyright.
Given that I'd do an art nude TF shoot. The main reason I wouldn't pay is because your tat it too big to easily edit out.
Photographer
Vito
Posts: 4581
Brooklyn, New York, US
Eyesso wrote:
Meanies....this scene reminds me of a baby with some bread walking into a crowd of ducks.
This model is new....be nice.
I would hire you, I think you are an exquisite beauty. The tattoo is unique, I like it.
Here are some thoughts, or tips....
- Escorts....photographers are divided on this. Personally, I don't care. Some photographers REALLY care. There are whole topics dedicated to debating this. In the end, it is YOUR comfort that matters the most, not the photographers, so until you are comfortable and experienced, stick with what feels right for you.
- Here's a a summary of "rights"....if you pay a photographer to shoot your idea, you can claim all rights, but get them to sign a paper agreeing to that. If it is a TFP (trade/free) shoot, then you share equal rights. If you are getting paid by a photographer to shoot an concept they have in mind, you have no rights to the photos unless that is part of the agreement in advance.
- You are tall and thin and pretty. You could probably use a little more clothed pictures, unless you want to be a nude/art model exclusively. Once you start with nude shots, many MM photographers will only see THAT as your potential, so....definitely do a lot of TF shots clothed.
- Nude photos....If it is a TFP, you share rights. If you are paid, you have to ask now and if you can use the photos ahead of time. I prefer to pay nude models, that way I don't have to ask if I am allowed to submit to an art show, etc.
- Experience....it may be a LITTLE early to start asking to get paid. You are beautiful, and your portfolio is great so far. But you have to develop the portfolio a bit and get more dynamic photos in there. There are no "show stoppers" in your portfolio, which is probably the fault of your photographer, but from an outside perspective...hard to know. So you have to prove your talent to prove your value, ya know? Models who have 100's of gallery worthy nude art photos charge $100-120/hr, but that is after years of experience and proven worth. They are a sure bet for good photos. You can get there too....but your goal right now shouldn't be to get paid $100/hr....or you will limit yourself. Find and shoot with the best photographers you can, some might pay, some might not. But it is an investment at this point....you have to give a little to get a little.
Good Luck! Please do NOT listen to anything above pertaining to rights. It is incorrect. No matter who pays who, or trades for prints the photographer owns the copyright whether they are clothed or nude.
This is not my opinion, it is copyright law.
Photographer
Risen Phoenix Photo
Posts: 3779
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
Ok I a-mostly an art photographer. Your profile says you don't do nudes but I guess after one shoot you think you can cash in. I would shoot you with an escort ad long as they are off the set. Don't really need your boyfriends drama. Also the Rhianna tattoo dies work for classical nudes and most photographers will pass on you.
Right now I would not pay more than $25 per hour nude and nothing clothed.
I think you need to work to develop a brand. Work TF ( without the whole shared rights thing) whoever told you that sounds like the first photographer that shot you and then wanted to be sure that no other photographer will work with you.) with fantastic photographers to build you port and then your brand.
Then you can be paid by the hobby guys and the GWCs but they will rarely add to your port.
Again I think you have what it takes but you are rushing things a bit. Take your time find a well respected model to act as your mentor and listen to the advice you are getting here.
You are a beautiful girl but you need more than beauty to win at this game.
Photographer
Good Egg Productions
Posts: 16713
Orlando, Florida, US
I would pay $50/hr for artistic nude similar to what's in my portfolio. If you didn't have that tattoo. The work required for me to remove it is just more than I'm willing to pay for. So that drops it down to trade for the artistic nude.
I don't really do glamour nude and I don't really pay for anything else. So, we're sort of at trade.
And that's if you don't make me sign any ridiculous paperwork for shared copyright (I'll gladly give you the images to use as you see fit for non-commercial purposes) and if your escort drops you off, checks out the place, shakes my hand and then goes to Starbucks or Panera for a few hours while we get the shoot done.
I don't kill models, honest.
Photographer
JQuest
Posts: 2460
Syracuse, New York, US
I've only seen the current iteration of your bio, and I have no issues with it.
I think you've got an evocative look, your ink doesn't bother me at all. I would offer you $35.00 an hour with a three hour minimum for images similar to the nudes in my portfolio. I would not guarantee you any images however, any images that I edit for use in my own portfolio I would also allow you to use for promotional purposes only (unless discussed otherwise).
Hang in there, you'll be fine.
Photographer
Art Silva
Posts: 10064
Santa Barbara, California, US
K I C K H A M wrote:
While I agree that people are being harsh, the bolded section is blatant misinformation.
OP, what he says in the bolded area is not legally true. +100%
Photographer
Art Silva
Posts: 10064
Santa Barbara, California, US
OP, the new changes to your profile reads a lot better and more professional. Brief and to the point of what you are looking for in modeling styles and experience.
All the best to you!
Photographer
Fotografica Gregor
Posts: 4126
Alexandria, Virginia, US
I do not pay to shoot models.
it is not that I don't believe that models should not be compensated - but honestly at this point there are so many models seeking to shoot with me on a testing basis that I remain booked well into the future.
Not all compensation is in the form of money - sometimes the most valuable form of compensation is having images of a high quality that attract paying customers or having a resume of publications.
I only shoot concepts or genres with models that I believe I can get published or which would add something I am interested in, to my already very diverse portfolios
If you were in my market area and if you contacted me I would be able to offer a test shoot with you for fashion- or glamour- nudes for publication on a testing / trade basis.
For fashion shoots I primarily work with agency or agency standard models of 5'9 or taller at size 0/2 though I will shoot with petite models of 5'5 and up at size 0..... I can't honestly offer that opportunity to you at this time based on your portfolio because there are only a few images with very little variety and nothing to give me idea of your posing abilities.... and your hip measurement would be needed in order for me to determine styling possibilities as well.
Photographer
AJ_In_Atlanta
Posts: 13053
Atlanta, Georgia, US
Eyesso wrote:
Meanies....this scene reminds me of a baby with some bread walking into a crowd of ducks.
This model is new....be nice.
I would hire you, I think you are an exquisite beauty. The tattoo is unique, I like it.
Here are some thoughts, or tips....
- Escorts....photographers are divided on this. Personally, I don't care. Some photographers REALLY care. There are whole topics dedicated to debating this. In the end, it is YOUR comfort that matters the most, not the photographers, so until you are comfortable and experienced, stick with what feels right for you.
- Here's a a summary of "rights"....if you pay a photographer to shoot your idea, you can claim all rights, but get them to sign a paper agreeing to that. If it is a TFP (trade/free) shoot, then you share equal rights. If you are getting paid by a photographer to shoot an concept they have in mind, you have no rights to the photos unless that is part of the agreement in advance.
- You are tall and thin and pretty. You could probably use a little more clothed pictures, unless you want to be a nude/art model exclusively. Once you start with nude shots, many MM photographers will only see THAT as your potential, so....definitely do a lot of TF shots clothed.
- Nude photos....If it is a TFP, you share rights. If you are paid, you have to ask now and if you can use the photos ahead of time. I prefer to pay nude models, that way I don't have to ask if I am allowed to submit to an art show, etc.
- Experience....it may be a LITTLE early to start asking to get paid. You are beautiful, and your portfolio is great so far. But you have to develop the portfolio a bit and get more dynamic photos in there. There are no "show stoppers" in your portfolio, which is probably the fault of your photographer, but from an outside perspective...hard to know. So you have to prove your talent to prove your value, ya know? Models who have 100's of gallery worthy nude art photos charge $100-120/hr, but that is after years of experience and proven worth. They are a sure bet for good photos. You can get there too....but your goal right now shouldn't be to get paid $100/hr....or you will limit yourself. Find and shoot with the best photographers you can, some might pay, some might not. But it is an investment at this point....you have to give a little to get a little.
Good Luck! Oh for fucks sake, more BS. Photographers are not devided on escorts, it's simply a non issue in the professional world and it doesn't happen. This site may be devided but that is MM.
You as the model or subject have no rights to the images, period and end of story. You do have some rights regarding commercial use but it's rather limited and can differ by state. On a paid shoot you should not even expect a copy of the images...
Photographer
Eyesso
Posts: 1218
Orlando, Florida, US
THIS....is the white knight of misinformation. ![https://rationalmale.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/white-knight.jpeg]()
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 33877
Arcata, California, US
Eyesso wrote:
THIS....is the white knight of misinformation. Yo, Sir Galahad... Quit telling new models that they have shared rights on TF images.
Photographer
Eyesso
Posts: 1218
Orlando, Florida, US
Orca Bay Images wrote:
Yo, Sir Galahad... Quit telling new models that they have shared rights on TF images. Sorry....I guess you wouldn't want to shoot with me.
I never watermark. I often give my camera to the model and let him/her delete the photos they hate. If I sell an image, I let the model know and offer some of the profits. I never get mad if they forget to credit me on Facebook or wherever. I don't list credits of the magazines, websites, agencies my photos have found their way to because I don't really give a crap, so why should anybody else?
I just think photography is fun. And I'm happy to have models to share in the creative process.
Granted, I don't depend on photography for a living, so I can respect where some people get worked up over rights and rules. But...I'm just not interested in all that.
Model
K I C K H A M
Posts: 14689
Los Angeles, California, US
Eyesso wrote:
Sorry....I guess you wouldn't want to shoot with me.
I never watermark. I often give my camera to the model and let him/her delete the photos they hate. If I sell an image, I let the model know and offer some of the profits. I never get mad if they forget to credit me on Facebook or wherever. I don't list credits of the magazines, websites, agencies my photos have found their way to because I don't really give a crap, so why should anybody else?
I just think photography is fun. And I'm happy to have models to share in the creative process.
Granted, I don't depend on photography for a living, so I can respect where some people get worked up over rights and rules. But...I'm just not interested in all that. That's fine, but you told her what she has rights to, not what YOU would give her.
- Here's a a summary of "rights"....if you pay a photographer to shoot your idea, you can claim all rights, but get them to sign a paper agreeing to that. If it is a TFP (trade/free) shoot, then you share equal rights. If you are getting paid by a photographer to shoot an concept they have in mind, you have no rights to the photos unless that is part of the agreement in advance. You can say "I would trade and share rights," and that is fine, but when you present it as fact that when one does trade one shares the rights, it becomes incorrect, both realistically AND legally.
You presented it as what the law is, and it's completely wrong. Even if a model PAYS, s/he does not automatically get rights to the photos.
Do your research before you spread misinformation as knowledge to newbies who don't know better.
Why open your mouth to give uneducated and false advice?
Photographer
Garry k
Posts: 30130
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
To the OP
I would pay attention if we were to shoot
cus even though you are on the shorter side - you are cute
Not really a fan of the two toned hair so that would be addressed
Don't mind the tattoo though (and I am not an ink lover in general )
My guess is that you have changed your bio since this thread started and you got feedback on whatever you had written - so I have no comment to make on that
Photographer
JT Life Photography
Posts: 624
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
To the OP, sorry no.
Your tattoos would create too much post work for me.
I shoot, I own the copyright; and that ends there.
Finally, once an escort is mentioned, no matter if all other ducks are in a row, I just think 'next'.
As many have said before, you are photogenic. But - for me - that doesn't outweigh the drawbacks.
Good luck,
JT
Photographer
Eyesso
Posts: 1218
Orlando, Florida, US
K I C K H A M wrote:
Eyesso wrote:
Sorry....I guess you wouldn't want to shoot with me.
I never watermark. I often give my camera to the model and let him/her delete the photos they hate. If I sell an image, I let the model know and offer some of the profits. I never get mad if they forget to credit me on Facebook or wherever. I don't list credits of the magazines, websites, agencies my photos have found their way to because I don't really give a crap, so why should anybody else?
I just think photography is fun. And I'm happy to have models to share in the creative process.
Granted, I don't depend on photography for a living, so I can respect where some people get worked up over rights and rules. But...I'm just not interested in all that. That's fine, but you told her what she has rights to, not what YOU would give her.
You can say "I would trade and share rights," and that is fine, but when you present it as fact that when one does trade one shares the rights, it becomes incorrect, both realistically AND legally.
You presented it as what the law is, and it's completely wrong. Even if a model PAYS, s/he does not automatically get rights to the photos.
Do your research before you spread misinformation as knowledge to newbies who don't know better.
Why open your mouth to give uneducated and false advice? Uneducated? Common, you're a moderator, you know you're not supposed to offer unsolicited critiques. I could report you to YOU for that :-p
Status quo isn't the same as "fact", while it is clear I hold a minority view, a half empty glass could easily be called half full.
I think we can probably agree that if it is not on paper, anybody could sue anyone for anything.
Photographer
A-M-P
Posts: 18465
Orlando, Florida, US
I wouldn't even trade with you, unfortunately don't have a look that I could use.
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 33877
Arcata, California, US
Eyesso wrote:
Uneducated? Common, you're a moderator, you know you're not supposed to offer unsolicited critiques. I could report you to YOU for that :-p
Status quo isn't the same as "fact", while it is clear I hold a minority view, a half empty glass could easily be called half full.
I think we can probably agree that if it is not on paper, anybody could sue anyone for anything. Saying that you gave uneducated advice is not critique; it's a statement of fact and commenting on your post, not your profile or portfolio.
Your advice to the OP regarding shared copyright was flat-out wrong.
Photographer
MJ Images Photography
Posts: 55
Jacksonville, Florida, US
Here is the problem... YOU DO NOT HAVE RIGHTS TO THE IMAGES unless you have the release from the photographer who took the images. I am feed up with people who in the intent of being the "nice guy" put out information that is meant to make the people feel better, but not realizing that they are doing a dis-service to the other person by not telling the truth.
New model or not, anyone entering this industry need to know how the industry works. It is true that you can get rights to the images, but be prepared to pay and I mean pay a lot to have such rights.
Choose carefully who you allow to photograph you. Stating that "I have limits" and then having images of you nude and legs wide open, in my opinion send a double message and opens you up to more than your share of any and everybody who may not be professional about being a photographer.
"Not everyone that corrects you is against you, and not everyone that smiles at you is for you!" W James Hunter US Navy Retired 1995
I viewed your port today and I would advise you to get a very skilled make up artist that will bring those wonderful features of your face and eyes out (Especially when you are shooting nude or implied). Unless you are trying to attract photographers who are looking for "Nude legs wide open images" DO NOT POST those type of images and do not allow those type of images taken.
I have taken images like those, but the model have been shooting with me for over two years and it was a request of hers for a special project she wanted.
As to the escort it is your choice, but it is also the choice of the photographer. We have expensive equipment and are responsible for the location in which we shoot. So of us have Studios that we have to protect and do not want to be the victim of thief. Easy to what one person or people that we already know and trust.
You are new and with experience and proper guidance will develop a power port that will attract paid assignments.
Photographer
MIDNIGHT EXPRESS
Posts: 579
Pomona, California, US
I don't pay models but if I did...
I wouldn't
Because the tattoo underneath your boobs is too distracting.
Tattoos are cool.. but in the wrong place it could take away.. Makes it limited on what you can wear..
Just my opinion.....
Photographer
Art Silva
Posts: 10064
Santa Barbara, California, US
Eyesso wrote:
Uneducated? Common, you're a moderator, you know you're not supposed to offer unsolicited critiques. I could report you to YOU for that :-p
Status quo isn't the same as "fact", while it is clear I hold a minority view, a half empty glass could easily be called half full.
I think we can probably agree that if it is not on paper, anybody could sue anyone for anything. Sorry but I have to side with K I C K H A M on this one, you Did give bad advice earlier. And don't confuse that as an unsolicited critique because publicly giving unsound legal advice is not the same as putting up a photo to be discussed. Do you really want to be the person responsible when a newbie gets in deep water from your misinformation?
Just saying misleading opinions masked as facts are dangerous, especially to newbies who are trying to do the right thing.
Photographer
Abbitt Photography
Posts: 13564
Washington, Utah, US
Orca Bay Images wrote:
Saying that you gave uneducated advice is not critique; it's a statement of fact and commenting on your post, not your profile or portfolio.
Your advice to the OP regarding shared copyright was flat-out wrong. +1
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