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What is the average payment or acceptable amount for a nude shoot prolly 1 hour after hair and makeup Jul 07 14 05:24 pm Link Faceless Illusions wrote: You start paying when the model shows up unless you wanna fight? Jul 07 14 05:36 pm Link theres no standard, only what you negotiate with the specific model you wish to hire. things that may impact her rates are content where the content is going/purpose of content travel who's providing HMUA Time of shoot (she's better off saving the middle of a saturday for a half/full day shoot, rather than a one hour gig, for example) Her experience And whatever else she wants to factor in Your budget is probably impacted by How much you actually HAVE to spend How much you want to spend What it costs you to make the shoot happen If you intend to profit from the content How bad you want to shoot this idea How bad you want to shoot this idea with a specific person If you HAVE TO HAVE some big name model from LA, its going to cost you significantly more than hiring a local newbie who's just happy to do any kind of work she can. If you want to shoot something with a person who prefers not to do that kind of work, its going to cost significantly more to talk them into it than to work with someone who specializes in it. etc etc Jul 07 14 05:53 pm Link Marin Photography NYC wrote: Every job I have ever had the pay rate was set by the employer. I then had choice to take it or leave it. Jul 07 14 05:54 pm Link How could someone even estimate their price without knowing how long in hair and makeup? You could base it on the high side, most traveling glamour nude models with published credits (playboy for example) change $100/hr with a 2 hour minimum. Local rates may be less Jul 07 14 05:59 pm Link Well yeah but I was wondering for a casting and I had figured in MUAH. Jul 07 14 06:03 pm Link Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote: I get your point but when you don't have a clue...ask somebody! If you don't like the price you can still take it or leave it. Jul 07 14 06:05 pm Link Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote: Marin Photography NYC wrote: No....he is correct IMHO. I haven't asked for someones "rates" for more years than I can count. Jul 07 14 06:10 pm Link Federal labor laws require that you pay for 'prep' time, including makeup. This is especially the case if you plan on taking a significant amount of time. The best way, if the model is a true independent contractor, is to agree on a total price including time for makeup/prep. If you say this upfront then you are good. If you insistent on talking 'per hour' then the labor hours kick in. I have asked many photographers the question about cost and received the following: $50 per hour is the minimum ever paid, $200 was the max (per hour) ever paid. The mean amount paid per hours for nudity was just under $100. Jul 07 14 06:14 pm Link Faceless Illusions wrote: Here are some questions which would typically be considered in determining the appropriate rate to pay a model. Jul 07 14 06:46 pm Link Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote: Are you hiring an employee or a contractor? If you offer employment at a rate of your choice, it is a yes or no question. If you are hiring a contractor, they will tell you what it will cost. frankly, this probably a great over simplification but it covers the basics. It will vary around the country but seeing things like Brooklyn and NYC means you are going to likely be on the high end. Jul 09 14 12:49 pm Link EH Photographic Arts wrote: I am interested in what law you are citing because this is not standard practice in the catalog or fashion industry, particularly with agency models. Typically this only comes into the conversation on lingerie or editorial shoots where the model rate is per hour and really high or the budget is really low, however the pay in those cases is based on time on set. Similarly in the case of actors in film, advertising, and even theatre, even with conrtacts from SAG and AFTRA the pay and working hours are not inclusive of prep (the practical reason being that special effect makeup can take many hours). Jul 10 14 08:33 am Link James Jackson Fashion wrote: The norm with catalog and fashion, particularly with agency models, if 1/2 or full day rates (often a 10 hr day) so by the hour never enters it. Jul 10 14 08:41 am Link There is no standard price: ... Not all models are created equal, ... Price is subject to local supply & demand, ... Not all projects are created equal, ... Not all photographers are created equal, ... and so forth. I also suggest: ... Negotiate a price for the whole project, not an hourly rate, ... Clearly set & document expectations, including: --- How much time it all will take, --- Whether the model can get/use images, --- Everything else. ... Stick to your expectations. Good luck. Jul 10 14 08:49 am Link When on paid assignments, I don't factor in whether or not a MUAH is hired for the shoot or not, I don't expect my rates to be docked by their being paid. I also give photographers a bit of a break and don't factor in my shoot time to include the time it takes for my hair/makeup to be finished. My time starts when the shoot portion of the day starts. Jul 10 14 08:53 am Link AJScalzitti wrote: Like I said it does on lingerie when the lingerie rate is high (I've worked on lingerie shoots for several retailers where the producer kept track to 15 minute blocks) and occasionally on editorial when the budget is really low (similar tracking by the producer of each model's on set time to the half hour in the two I worked with a particularly miserly client... All of these in nyc). Jul 10 14 08:56 am Link Many models will want a 2 hour minimum pay guarantee including make up time. I've worked with some first time models on a trade basis, paid many moderately experienced models $30/hour, paid one traveling models $50/hour. Some very experienced or high-demand models may commend $100/hour or more. In part it's a matter of how patient and how much leg work you are willing to do vs. your desire to offer much more to easily line up a shoot. Also a factor with newer models is whether or not images are a part of the compensation or not. Market rates also can vary by location and be affected by the photographer's talent. Also realize that what many models state as their rates, may not reflect what they actually accept. Jul 10 14 09:19 am Link James Jackson Fashion wrote: Never dealt with SAG, just the usual catalog shoots for retailers. I suspect you are correct, the models are not employed by anyone so much would not apply. Actually that is part of the reason for the actors forming a union in the first place. One could argue if it's still needed or hurting them, but it's been good for us pushing a lot of work into a right to work state (GA). Jul 10 14 09:38 am Link There is no "standard" per say. There is only what you negotiate with the model. It happens one of two ways: 1. You want to hire a model, so you have a certain budget in mind. You post a casting that you are looking to hire a model for that rate, and then people apply just like they would for any job. You select your model, and pay them that rate, shoot.etc. 2. A model approaches you and says that they may be in your area to shoot for a certain dollar amount. In this case, you have the option to accept their rates, negotiate, or decline. Depends on what you want to do. In the end though, it is up to you and the model to agree on a rate. There is no magic bullet, there is only what you agree on. There are some models that will simply pose to test if your work is of great quality and they like your book, where there are others that are in very high demand and cost a much higher rate. Yet there are others that package deals like their own styling services and such also which will increase the rate also. It again depends on what you can afford vs. what you negotiate with the model in question. Good luck! Jul 10 14 09:56 am Link i've paid anywhere from just images (TF) to $125/hour. Jul 10 14 10:09 am Link Cherrystone wrote: Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote: No....he is correct IMHO. I haven't asked for someones "rates" for more years than I can count. I WISH more people messaged me with an offer. Almost no one does. I think many assume I will charge beyond their budget, but I think many would be surprised at what even the most seasoned model will accept. Jul 10 14 07:17 pm Link how long is an average piece of string? Jul 10 14 08:12 pm Link Cherrystone wrote: Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote: No....he is correct IMHO. I haven't asked for someones "rates" for more years than I can count. Totally with you. Jul 10 14 09:49 pm Link This is a major detail that should be discussed with the model prior to the shoot. If you are supplying the hairstylist, makeup artist, and any other support personnel, that's of course on your dime. But generally speaking, the model is not compensated for time with the makeup and hair personnel. They are paid for the shoot time, so, once you start the actual work, then the model gets paid. But in this day and age, people allow other agreements to take place. So, discuss this with the model prior to the shoot to at least make sure both of you are on the same page and would like to continue if you agree or disagree on when time starts. Jul 11 14 12:19 am Link EH Photographic Arts wrote: Having serious doubts about this statement...I did some research and I couldn't validate it. The only thing that comes close is if an employer requires a worker to put on safety gear, the employer has to provide the gear and the time to put it on and take it off. And this still isn't completely firm yet, as it has been before the USSCt, and they have yet to render a decision. Jul 11 14 12:56 am Link Don't forget TF is an option also. Most models I work with work TF with me, and we shoot together many times. Of course I "pay" with many high and low res images as well as prints. If I did pay actual cash I would not give the model any rights to the images, including anything for her port. The money would be all she would get. Jul 11 14 09:09 am Link OK...So... in New York City area, for nude posing, from $60/ph. to $85/ph... That is my budget. I have come across some models asking from $100 to 250/ph. But this is way above my budget.. Not saying they are not worth it! Bet some would negotiate toward the end of the month.. Never tried... Jul 12 14 06:52 pm Link Laura UnBound wrote: +1 Jul 12 14 07:02 pm Link Looknsee Photography wrote: This is great advice! Jul 12 14 09:07 pm Link IMAGINERIES wrote: As a model who routinely charges $100/h, the only way I would turn down $85/h is if I had absolutely zero desire to shoot with the person (bad vibes, shit portfolio, or something out of my preferred genres). Jul 12 14 11:38 pm Link It really all boils down to location and content. Supply and demand. For art nude or general "Playboy" style the average for professional traveling models is around $100 an hour. Half and full day rates are generally less than the hourly rate averaged out. Again this is an average if you have to have someone that is in high demand expect to pay more. Also expect to pay more if you want images, whether you intent to make money off of them or not, that are beyond "Playboy" style. Mac Intosh wrote: Are you referring to the Rip Cord? Jul 13 14 03:26 am Link Models have quoted me anywhere from $50 to $150; although I've never met a model that wasn't open to negotiation. Jul 13 14 03:44 am Link Watika Lemon wrote: They do exist. The most recent one was a well known travelling model who was totally inflexible on rates and unilaterally changed the proposed shooting date three times (we ended up not shooting.) Jul 14 14 06:11 pm Link Faceless Illusions wrote: you have two options- state your budget in the message to the model, or on the casting call. you probably have a limit to the amount of money you can spend on one photoshoot decide what that is, then choose from the models who are interested. Jul 16 14 02:32 pm Link "Hi. We want to pay you _____, to do _____, for _____ hours, on this date. Want to?" +1 Jul 16 14 02:37 pm Link IMAGINERIES wrote: I would try stating your budget in your first message, before you ask for their rates- "this is what I want to shoot, this is the budget I'm shooting with." I guarantee you'll receive positive feedback. it doesn't even have to be at the end of the month! creating art + making a living isn't easy. the reason people like myself can be full-time and successful is that we can work with an artist's budget. not always, but most of the time. Jul 16 14 02:47 pm Link i think it's always compromising between skills and wants i guess.. but i heard a minimum for an average freelancer in general is €50 per hour. Jul 22 14 11:09 am Link It's a supply and demand thing, and can be all over the place. - It's easier to find affordable models in a larger market. In a small city where there are only a couple of nude models they can get whatever rich hobbyists are willing to pay. In a large city where there are many models to choose from rates are more realistic. You can often find good TF nude models in a large city (if your own work is good) while in a small town you may not be able to find anyone at any price. - More experienced models are often more realistic about rates. An inexperienced model may expect a completely unrealistic rate, based on rumors or guesses, while an experienced model knows what people are actually paying. - Pay depends on the type of work. Porn usually pays high, but not always. Advertising pays more than editorial. Portfolio development and art generally don't pay a lot. - Less experienced photographers often pay more than established photographers, either because they don't know better or because their work is not good enough to interest quality models. I've heard models say things like, "He offered to pay a lot but his work is so bad I don't want anybody to see me on his site." Bottom line: In a decent size market you should be able to find good models able to handle their own hair and makeup at around $50 per hour, say between $35 and $75. To keep things simple offer a half-day rate, say around $150, and see how it works. If you don't get enough takers run the ad again with a higher rate. If you're overwhelmed with models you can probably pay less next time. If you're only doing this 2 or 3 times a year and your photography is a hobby you can probably just pay cash and not worry about it. If you're doing it on a regular basis or you treat your photography as a business on your tax return then you need to talk to an accountant about how to handle payments and record keeping. Jul 26 14 06:39 pm Link I'VE ALWAYS SEEN BETTER RESULTS WHEN YOU PAY. NUDE OR NOT! Jul 26 14 06:57 pm Link donald ransburg wrote: OKAY GOOD TO KNOW! Jul 26 14 08:01 pm Link |
