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Model

Caitin Bre

Posts: 2687

Apache Junction, Arizona, US

I can see how drones can get some pretty aerial photos. But in today's society I believe more than not they will be used for invasion of privacy.
I know I know if I am nude sunbathing in my back yard and have 10' tall privacy fences I shouldn't have a reasonable expectation to privacy right? wrong.
Its a tool that will be just too tempting for the many not so moral shooters.

Stalkers and the nosy neighbors will love these things.

Definitely if a camera is attached to them the pilot should have to get a permit and every time they fly apply for a flight pattern. That way if they invade someones privacy its fair game to shoot it down.

Without a camera pilots have to keep line of site with them making them less invasive to peoples privacy and more of a friendly hobby.

Sep 20 14 07:52 am Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

Caitin Bre  wrote:
I can see how drones can get some pretty aerial photos. But in today's society I believe more than not they will be used for invasion of privacy.
I know I know if I am nude sunbathing in my back yard and have 10' tall privacy fences I shouldn't have a reasonable expectation to privacy right? wrong.
Its a tool that will be just too tempting for the many not so moral shooters.

Stalkers and the nosy neighbors will love these things.

Definitely if a camera is attached to them the pilot should have to get a permit and every time they fly apply for a flight pattern. That way if they invade someones privacy its fair game to shoot it down.

Without a camera pilots have to keep line of site with them making them less invasive to peoples privacy and more of a friendly hobby.

I promise not to fly over your backyard.  I have more than enough nude models that I can shoot nude closeup already.   big_smile

Sep 20 14 07:57 am Link

Model

Caitin Bre

Posts: 2687

Apache Junction, Arizona, US

Jerry Nemeth wrote:
I promise not to fly over your backyard.  I have more than enough nude models that I can shoot nude closeup already.   big_smile

What if a drone showed up while you were shooting and started shooting photos of there own over your shoulder?


Oh wait it could be another tool for escorts to use from their car. I know you would love that. lol

Sep 20 14 08:04 am Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

Caitin Bre  wrote:
What if a drone showed up while you were shooting and started shooting photos of there own over your shoulder?

I don't anticipate this happening.  One time when I was shooting a nude model in the Arizona desert the guys behind us who were practicing shooting their sniper rifles started shooting us with their cellphones.  They weren't real close.  We didn't worry about them and kept shooting.   big_smile

The models that I photograph don't bring escorts!   lol

Sep 20 14 08:14 am Link

Model

Caitin Bre

Posts: 2687

Apache Junction, Arizona, US

Jerry Nemeth wrote:

I don't anticipate this happening.  One time when I was shooting a nude model in the Arizona desert the guys behind us who were practicing shooting their sniper rifles started shooting us with their cellphones.  They weren't real close.  We didn't worry about them and kept shooting.   big_smile

The models that I photograph don't bring escorts!   lol

The escort would be the drone. Maybe even armed and dangerous. Oh look here is a photo of Jer pissing on sagebrush during our shoot. Escort owns the copyright to that classic moment. lol

Sep 20 14 08:19 am Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

Caitin Bre  wrote:
The escort would be the drone. Maybe even armed and dangerous. Oh look here is a photo of Jer pissing on sagebrush during our shoot. Escort owns the copyright to that classic moment. lol

I've never seen drones flying near me.  The only drone I've seen is the one that I have.

Those snipers behind us were very armed.  They had amazing sniper rifles and those rifles were extremely loud.

Sep 20 14 08:23 am Link

Photographer

Ironworx Productions

Posts: 289

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Learn to fly on a Phantom2 and buy a Cinestar 6 or 8 for the real deal.

I love the Cinestar worth every penny.

Sep 20 14 08:33 am Link

Model

Caitin Bre

Posts: 2687

Apache Junction, Arizona, US

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I would be afraid of putting expensive camera gear on a expensive drone and flying around. A lot of people are very against the Idea of drones with cameras.
Even the park systems are against them. Many parks will confiscate and fine you. Like the grand canyon for example.

Sep 20 14 10:16 am Link

Photographer

Kelvin Hammond

Posts: 17397

Billings, Montana, US

My advice is:  don't

Not if you intend to use it to make money. For a hobby, sure.

But if you have little or no experience, and havent taken the time to consider what a 3-5lb object with multiple spinning blades can do to people, pets, property, plants, or cars...  then just don't.


What I do is hire an experienced drone crew, usually 2 guys, one to fly, and one to operate the camera, and then I direct the video from a monitor. That keeps it safe, affordable, and limits my liablity for damage. It's their drone, and they are the pilots. They have the right to refuse to fly for any reason they deem unsafe or that may damage their drone, or whatever.

Sep 20 14 12:08 pm Link

Photographer

Randy Poe

Posts: 1639

Green Cove Springs, Florida, US

I want to by a quad some day as I simply just want one

For most practical applications I find a 25 foot aluminum painter pole to do more than well enough. I usually dont even need all that it offers. You get past 20ft and the property or other topic just starts to get all tine weenie and rounded from distortion anyway. It takes very little set up time and so far nobody has tried to shoot my stick. If they did and we all somehow survived what would be a heated conflict, I would make it my next mission see to it that person never had gun rights again.

I have used a super tall light stand to raise a dslr into that air before but I got to tell you all the wibbly wobbly with my rig on top is enough to scare the stuff out of you. Tethering to make adjustments of the shot makes it feel like a never ending process. I got a GoPro so I could avoid those situations.

Folks who think aerial shots are about them has watched way to many cop shows.

Sep 20 14 01:05 pm Link

Photographer

Michael Fryd

Posts: 5231

Miami Beach, Florida, US

I thought these remotely operated helicopters/quad copters were classified by the FAA as "model aircraft".

Generally, it's legal to fly these for recreational use as long as you follow the  FAA rules.

These rules include: keep the aircraft within the visual sight of the operator,  stay 5 miles from airports, stay under 400 feet, follow local laws, don't interfere with manned airplanes, and do not fly model aircraft for payment or commercial purposes.

If you are using your model aircraft to take photos, you may not receive payment for, or sell those photos.   If you are selling the photos, then you need a commercial license from the FAA.  This can be an issue, as I am under the impression that they are not currently granting these licenses.

Many people claim otherwise.  Some state that this is a "gray area" in the law.  The FAA strongly disagrees and maintains that commercial use of any aircraft, small or large, manned or unmanned, above or below 500', requires a commercial license.

Sep 20 14 05:59 pm Link

Photographer

dd photography

Posts: 944

San Diego, California, US

The device I am researching is programmed NOT to operate 5 miles from a military base, airport or national park. It just won't fly.

Seems like a pretty simple solution.

Sep 20 14 07:41 pm Link

Photographer

wr not here

Posts: 1632

Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

Jayme Blaschke wrote:
Point of order: Unless the craft you are flying has advanced autopilot software that allows it autonomous operation, it's not a drone. It is an RC plane/helicopter/quad.

This is not semantics. RC aircraft operate under far less restrictive laws. One could get into significant legal trouble piloting an actual drone in areas where RCs are perfectly fine.

I believe the Phantom 2 Vision classes as a drone then. It has software on it that integrates with the GPS and maps to allow programming in a flight plan and letting the machine control itself.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Anyway, to the OP, the Phantoms are nice, easy to fly aircraft. I chose the one with the 3 way gimbal and DJI camera rather than the one that uses the Gopro. It would have cost me enough more to outfit the Phantom that I decided that my needs would be met well enough by the Phantom 2 Vision. The Gopro camera might be a little better.

Sep 21 14 08:44 am Link

Photographer

Sulp oiloftrop

Posts: 239

Destin, Florida, US

Thanks WR, I agree, that's why I specifically asked about Drones.

I was very impressed with the videos I saw with the Gimbal system, it is what peaked my interest.

Sep 21 14 09:01 am Link

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wr not here

Posts: 1632

Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

One thing about the Phantoms is that they are quite fragile. Something to be aware of. Also the propellers are extremely dangerous. I have no doubt that the carbon fiber propellers would amputate a finger.

Sep 21 14 07:48 pm Link

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Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

WR Photographics wrote:
One thing about the Phantoms is that they are quite fragile. Something to be aware of. Also the propellers are extremely dangerous. I have no doubt that the carbon fiber propellers would amputate a finger.

They sell propeller guards.

Sep 21 14 09:45 pm Link

Photographer

wr not here

Posts: 1632

Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

Jerry Nemeth wrote:

They sell propeller guards.

Have a look at one of the machines with the guards in place some time.

Sep 22 14 07:05 am Link

Photographer

Sulp oiloftrop

Posts: 239

Destin, Florida, US

I'd like to be able to remove the camera from the Phantom to learn to fly it without it but I've been told that isn't an option.

Sep 22 14 08:53 am Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

WR Photographics wrote:

Have a look at one of the machines with the guards in place some time.

I know what it looks like.

Sep 22 14 08:55 am Link

Photographer

wr not here

Posts: 1632

Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

Jerry Nemeth wrote:

I know what it looks like.

Apparently you don't if you think they would keep a finger from a propeller.

Sep 22 14 09:03 am Link

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wr not here

Posts: 1632

Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

Sulp oiloftrop wrote:
I'd like to be able to remove the camera from the Phantom to learn to fly it without it but I've been told that isn't an option.

Don't worry about it. They are no more difficult to fly with the camera on as off. I suspect on the Vision 2, removing the camera and gimbal wouldn't be all that difficult, I don't see why a person would want to do it though.

Sep 22 14 09:05 am Link

Photographer

Sulp oiloftrop

Posts: 239

Destin, Florida, US

Just so I don't break the camera if it crashes.

Sep 22 14 09:07 am Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

WR Photographics wrote:

Apparently you don't if you think they would keep a finger from a propeller.

As long as I don't lower the finger into the propeller.  The greatest risk is on the side.

Sep 22 14 09:10 am Link

Photographer

Leighsphotos

Posts: 3070

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

dd photography wrote:

what's wrong with calling them a drone?

For the same reason you don't use the n-word or f*g to denote a member of the LGBT community. It has a negative connotation that is unhelpful long term.

Legislation is coming very soon that will impact RC Copter use, the more they are referred to as DRONES, the more restrictive the laws will be.

DRONES are the generic term for UAC's that the military uses to blow terrorists up from miles above the battlefield.

Sep 22 14 09:15 am Link

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wr not here

Posts: 1632

Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

Sulp oiloftrop wrote:
Just so I don't break the camera if it crashes.

You'll have more to worry about than that if you get a crash. As long as you stay away from buildings, power lines and the like and keep air under the thing, it's almost impossible to crash a Phantom.
If you want, they will even land themselves.

I bought a little Hubsan quadcopter from a place in Hong Kong to learn how to fly the things while waiting for my Vision 2. This might be something you want to look into.

Sep 22 14 09:23 am Link