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Photographer

Osmosis Photography

Posts: 8

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

I never seem to hear about this. While it doesn't affect me personally, I'm just wondering if it happens a lot.

Mar 27 15 10:31 am Link

Photographer

Zack Zoll

Posts: 6895

Glens Falls, New York, US

I've never heard of a teacher being fired for photographing nudes, but I have heard of teachers fired for photographing 'distasteful' nudes. Taste of course being in the eye of the beholder.

I've heard of teachers fired for posing for even clothed sexy photos all the time. It's a little different situation; teaching K-12, the most important thing is that kids respect you. You're not making friends, but they need to listen to you. If they see you as a sex object, that isn't going to happen. That applies to male models too, but you see it more for women since primary school teachers are overwhelmingly female.

That's not much of an issue when you're not the one in the photos. Unless they're the sort of images that make people think you have 'poor moral character', you should be all set in most school districts.

Edit:  at least, that's the rationale. They can chose not to hire you for any reason they want, and you'll never know if it was the photos. But you're unlikely to get fired if you already have the job.

Mar 27 15 10:53 am Link

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ontherocks

Posts: 23575

Salem, Oregon, US

if i wanted to be a teacher i think i would stay away from anything remotely related to sex (or even sexiness) or anything that would upset conservative people. think nun or monk (although maybe those folks have awesome gay sex romps and take x-rated images of each other that we just don't hear about).

the funny thing is that since the internet i imagine that kids have seen/heard it all at an early age. heck i used to read the articles in my dad's playboy (cough). not sure what my younger self would have made of pornhub, though.

Mar 27 15 05:08 pm Link

Model

Santa Claus

Posts: 376

Seattle, Washington, US

I haven't heard much about it either.  But I do know that there are a lot of people in the world who love to make accusations and start rumors.  Also, you don't really need a bunch of hormone crazed teenagers thinking about your photography while you're trying to teach them.

It might be a good idea to put the nudes in another profile with an alias.  You can always take credit for them later if you want.

Mar 27 15 05:15 pm Link

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Farenell Photography

Posts: 18832

Albany, New York, US

Osmosis Photography wrote:
(I may end up wanting to be a teacher several years from now, and am concerned that if I expand into the implied nude genre now that it might come back to haunt me)

If you have any desire in being a teacher at the high school level or lower, it'd be wise to err on the side of caution. Its less to do about being concerned about the administration but more to do with the (sometimes) wacko, hypersensitive parents.

Mar 27 15 05:23 pm Link

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MMR Creative Services

Posts: 1902

Doylestown, Pennsylvania, US

Osmosis Photography wrote:
I never seem to hear about this, only teachers being fired for having nude images of themselves online.

Are overprotective parents less hysterical if the teacher is the one behind the camera? Or do they just never find out?



(I may end up wanting to be a teacher several years from now, and am concerned that if I expand into the implied nude genre now that it might come back to haunt me)

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Mar 27 15 05:33 pm Link

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udor

Posts: 25255

New York, New York, US

ontherocks wrote:
if i wanted to be a teacher i think i would stay away from anything remotely related to sex (or even sexiness) or anything that would upset conservative people.

Don't you find it sad that us, normal people, have to adjust natural existence, to accommodate the prude's in power, or the powerful prudes that our legislators bow to, to be re-elected?

As artists, it is up to us to change things... I for my part, have two art projects (photography) that I am planning for a few years now, to "shake shit up!"... evilgrin

Will happen either this, or next year!  smile

Mar 27 15 05:45 pm Link

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martin b

Posts: 2770

Manila, National Capital Region, Philippines

This sounds more of an American conversation.  I never heard of conversations like this in Asia.

Mar 27 15 05:51 pm Link

Photographer

Personality Imaging

Posts: 2100

Hoover, Alabama, US

If you are looking for incredible ignorance look no further than your nearest K-12 school.

Mar 27 15 05:59 pm Link

Photographer

udor

Posts: 25255

New York, New York, US

martin b wrote:
This sounds more of an American conversation.  I never heard of conversations like this in Asia.

... or in Europe!

It is, sadly, a very American discussion... except for some relations to the UK..., but, otherwise... roll

Mar 27 15 06:08 pm Link

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Joshua Morrison

Posts: 50

Columbus, Ohio, US

Some schools have a morality clause in contracts.  They can be often ambiguous and vague so it's best to avoid any misconception or misrepresentation.

Mar 27 15 06:26 pm Link

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Tropical Photography

Posts: 35564

Sarasota, Florida, US

Sadly, your personal life is no longer personal.. Many employers now will require that if you have a Facebook page and someone in the company friend requests you, you HAVE to accept.. 

Given you won't be the subject of your photos, if you chose to take on more glamour/nude genres, use an alias that will be tough to link back to you.. But as others have said, probably best to just steer clear of those genres..

Welcome to the United Prudish States of 'Murica...

Mar 27 15 06:38 pm Link

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Osmosis Photography

Posts: 8

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Right. Good thing I'm staying in the clothed domain then.

Mar 30 15 09:26 am Link

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Vampman Studios

Posts: 364

Chicago, Illinois, US

I got fired from a summer teaching job because a super-conservative parent looked up my website and thought I was shooting porn... even though I removed the nudes from my site prior to the gig and only had girls in dresses and maybe TWO swimsuit shots on the site. The parent complained directly to the superintendent, who fired me without even bothering to check the site.

So yeah, if you're teaching little kids, better not have ANYTHING on your website that could be perceived as remotely offensive. Sports photos, landscapes, and pictures of cute animals are your safest way of keeping a teaching job, and save the model photography for a physical portfolio.

Mar 30 15 09:33 am Link

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Zack Zoll

Posts: 6895

Glens Falls, New York, US

Osmosis Photography wrote:
yeah... pretty much every story I heard began with the student recognizing their teacher in the picture (which says a lot about the amount of porn they're already looking at), so I'm probably a little more safe to begin with. The hard-to-trace alias is probably the way to go though. Thanks for the advice!


And I'm from Canada, which is considerably less hysterical about this stuff (or anything, really) than the US. That said, some 73 year old teacher was fired a couple years ago for nude films she did in the '60s, so we clearly have some crazies as well.

At that age, it's extremely unlikely that she was actually fired for that - that was just the reason given.

It's a lot more likely that the school figured they could hire two teachers fresh out of school for what they were paying her(well, probably three part-timers, considering the economy), and the porn film provided a loophole to get rid of her without any questions asked.

From what I've read, a number of the people fired for various sexy modeling seem to have been average or below average in their teaching skills. It's a lot easier to can someone for something black and white like 'violating a morality contract' than it is to have a board review with the teachers' union and go over performance reviews - that could stretch on all year, and you still need the pay the teacher while it's going on, even if they aren't actually in class and teaching. It also opens the door to a lot more potential lawsuits for unjust firing.

I don't know if that makes you feel better or worse about the prospect of teaching. I do know that it has a lot to do with why there are so few K-12 teachers in any subject that have really strong personal work, while colleges are crawling with published authors and creatives, even at the community college level.

Mar 30 15 10:39 am Link

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Stephen Fletcher

Posts: 7501

Norman, Oklahoma, US

I know that in Oklahoma nude photos posted on line can cause a person to lose their RN license.  Bet it would cost a teacher's certificate as well.  Not saying it is right or wrong.  Just the way It is.

Mar 30 15 11:04 am Link

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ValHig

Posts: 495

London, England, United Kingdom

People get fired for saying stupid things on twitter, so I wouldn't be surprised if you can be fired for taking nude photos, especially if working with children.

As with any web presence, don't be stupid. Consider a fake name, don't cross post between your real name and fake, watch your privacy settings, and generally think before you post.

Mar 30 15 11:34 am Link

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JW Purdy

Posts: 1

Richmond, Texas, US

This doesn't just happen to teachers. I lost a very large banking client due to google search many years ago. I was receiving a lot of work from them and then it just stopped. I contacted the person in charge of my account and she started looking at my account status to get some clue why I wasn't getting any more work. In the recent notes on my account, a web researcher in India had found my name associated with a nude photo site. The site was indeed my personal website confirmed by the listed URL she gave me. I asked the contact why my hobby caused me to lose them as a client and she had no response. I did receive an official reply from the company weeks later stating that they did not want to be associated with a deviant. A deviant, really, are you kidding me. My site is very professional looking in my opinion and I shoot fine art. I have been mentored by one of the best fine art photographers in Houston. Due to this lost client I changed my working name to my initials and have never looked back. I highly recommend both photographers and models to use pen-names for their figure work just to protect their online reputation. Companies are really starting to use the internet to research every detail of your life before working with you, be careful. You can see my work by going to www.jwpurdy.com. Thanks for posting this article.

JW Purdy

May 06 15 10:08 am Link

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E Thompson Photography

Posts: 719

Hyattsville, Maryland, US

JW Purdy wrote:
This doesn't just happen to teachers. I lost a very large banking client due to google search many years ago. I was receiving a lot of work from them and then it just stopped. I contacted the person in charge of my account and she started looking at my account status to get some clue why I wasn't getting any more work. In the recent notes on my account, a web researcher in India had found my name associated with a nude photo site. The site was indeed my personal website confirmed by the listed URL she gave me. I asked the contact why my hobby caused me to lose them as a client and she had no response. I did receive an official reply from the company weeks later stating that they did not want to be associated with a deviant. A deviant, really, are you kidding me. My site is very professional looking in my opinion and I shoot fine art. I have been mentored by one of the best fine art photographers in Houston. Due to this lost client I changed my working name to my initials and have never looked back. I highly recommend both photographers and models to use pen-names for their figure work just to protect their online reputation. Companies are really starting to use the internet to research every detail of your life before working with you, be careful. You can see my work by going to www.jwpurdy.com. Thanks for posting this article.

JW Purdy

Interesting...a bank, part of an industry that almost destroyed the world economy, calls you a "deviant" for shooting fine art nudes.

May 06 15 01:01 pm Link

Photographer

DespayreFX

Posts: 1481

Delta, British Columbia, Canada

udor wrote:

Don't you find it sad that us, normal people, have to adjust natural existence, to accommodate the prude's in power, or the powerful prudes that our legislators bow to, to be re-elected?

As artists, it is up to us to change things... I for my part, have two art projects (photography) that I am planning for a few years now, to "shake shit up!"... evilgrin

Will happen either this, or next year!  smile

+1, agree, what he said... I'm just concerned that you've explained your upcoming projects "literally" (ironic I put that in quotes isn't it! smile )!

May 06 15 01:05 pm Link

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AndysPrints

Posts: 533

Falls Church, Virginia, US

I've been shooting for 20 years, I taught high school for 8 of those years. I've always used an alias online and I never shoot any of my current or former students. I never had a problem.

Back in the 90's when I started teaching, I shot far more explicit material than I do now. I had to as it paid almost as much as my teaching job and I had to survive. Content was king and everyone had a pay site. Looking back, I think it was the practice of discretion that made the difference along with the fact that there was no Facebook or Twitter at the time (neither of which I use today).

May 07 15 08:31 am Link

Model

MatureModelMM

Posts: 2843

Detroit, Michigan, US

I have modelled in the nude a number of times for high school teachers who are photographers or artists, but they always keep their identity separate from their real name just as many models do.

I also know teachers (including grade school and high school) and other school staff who are nude models, but they are very careful who they work with and most only model for drawing and painting so there is less chance anyone would actually recognize them if they saw the artwork.

May 07 15 08:37 am Link

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Eric_Takes_Pictures

Posts: 13

San Diego, California, US

You might consider contacting a local school board to ask about this. They'd be the one's doing the firing... Or not.

May 21 15 11:42 pm Link