Model
Lana_mature
Posts: 76
Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
Need honest opinions from both a model and photographer perspective. I shot with a photographer (TF) about 3 month ago, and he has promised me edited pictures which he hasn't delivered. I picked out some pics (1-2) per look about 2.5 months ago and now he wants to shoot with me (TF) again. I feel that he is now holding the pics as bait/leverage and if I dont shoot with him again, I wont get the pics from the first shoot.
I have asked him a couple of times very politely for the pics over the past couple of months and he said he would get them to me, but continues to shoot other models.
I asked him how the pictures were from the first shoot but haven't heard back from him because I initially replied to him that was too busy with work to shoot a second time, which is the truth.
The question is "What is the best way to handle this?" I am thinking I should just walk away from the pics. Too many head games. Opinions?
Model
Shei P
Posts: 540
Brooklyn, New York, US
Move on dont waste your time shooting again. If the pics from the first test were any good you would have seen them already.
Photographer
Llobet Photography
Posts: 4915
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US
I agree. Move on and don't waste your time again with this photographer.
Model
Crystal Rose Modeling
Posts: 441
Sacramento, California, US
Shei P wrote:
Move on dont waste your time shooting again. If the pics from the first test were any good you would have seen them already. I agree. Who knows if he will do this again a second time. I had a photographer who promised photos and never delivered. Will never shoot with him again. You know the saying "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me." Cut your losses and move on. If ever asked for a reference, give your honest feedback and tell your fellow models to avoid.
Photographer
Brooklyn Bridge Images
Posts: 13200
Brooklyn, New York, US
Lana_mature wrote:
What did he say when you asked where your images are on the phone ?
Tell him directly you are not doing anymore shoots if he cant deliver images in a timely fashion
Makeup Artist
muasunny
Posts: 241
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Tell the photographer straight up that he hasn't delivered and still owe you the photos. stand your ground and refuse to work with this individual until what was agreed upon is delivered.
Model
Crystal Rose Modeling
Posts: 441
Sacramento, California, US
Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote:
What did he say when you asked where your images are on the phone ?
Tell him directly you are not doing anymore shoots if he cant deliver images in a timely fashion This
Model
Lana_mature
Posts: 76
Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote:
What did he say when you asked where your images are on the phone ?
Tell him directly you are not doing anymore shoots if he cant deliver images in a timely fashion He basically just gives too many empty promises. I know the pictures are decent, but at this point there could be
many number of reasons as to why he is holding back. Reasons could vary from not wanting to show his work with
a non-standard agency model, to wanting a more intimate relationship, to not wanting to edit something (being lazy) unless
it will benefit his portfolio.. Who knows... Tired of the head games.
I can understand frustration with TF shoots and not receiving pictures as many have pointed out. But I also feel it is
unprofessional to want to keep shooting without delivery of pictures. This is worse IMO.
I will just ignore him for a while and then tell him straight. I am choosing to react this way because I am fed up with the back and forth.
Thanks to all for the replies.
Photographer
Brooklyn Bridge Images
Posts: 13200
Brooklyn, New York, US
Lana_mature wrote:
I will just ignore him for a while and then tell him straight. I am choosing to react this way because I am fed up with the back and forth. Good move
Photographer
J O H N A L L A N
Posts: 12221
Los Angeles, California, US
This seems not so difficult to me.
Simply say:
"Let's get the first shoot finished and then we can talk about a second - I still haven't received the images".
Model
Lana_mature
Posts: 76
Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
J O H N A L L A N wrote:
This seems not so difficult to me.
Simply say:
"Let's get the first shoot finished and then we can talk about a second - I still haven't received the images". Love, love, love it. The simplicity of it all. Thanks.
Photographer
Darren Brade
Posts: 3351
London, England, United Kingdom
"I don't work with people who can't deliver"
It really is that simple.
Model
Isis22
Posts: 3557
Muncie, Indiana, US
"I know the pictures are decent". No you don't. If they were you would have had them delivered to you. No one wants to admit they are incompetent. People are chickenshit and will fudge and outright lie. He could have accidently deleted them or who knows.
I wouldn't shoot with him again because he isn't trustworthy and certainly hasn't earned your respect.
Photographer
Toto Photo
Posts: 3757
Belmont, California, US
Lana_mature wrote:
Reasons could vary from not wanting to show his work with
a non-standard agency model, to wanting a more intimate relationship to... That came out of the blue! If you got some sort of creepy vibe, move on. Otherwise, I agree with you, John Allen's quote is perfect.
Photographer
Rob Photosby
Posts: 4810
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
J O H N A L L A N wrote:
This seems not so difficult to me.
Simply say:
"Let's get the first shoot finished and then we can talk about a second - I still haven't received the images". We have a winner.
Photographer
Top Gun Digital
Posts: 1528
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
J O H N A L L A N wrote:
This seems not so difficult to me.
Simply say:
"Let's get the first shoot finished and then we can talk about a second - I still haven't received the images". +100
If you paid a plumber in advance to fix a leaky faucet and he never did the work would you call him the next time you had a leaky faucet.
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 23575
Salem, Oregon, US
apparently he enjoys hanging out with you more than editing your pictures! unless you want to date him i'd say next. or send him your rates since you already know you won't be getting any pictures.
Photographer
Natural Means
Posts: 936
Yamba, New South Wales, Australia
J O H N A L L A N wrote:
This seems not so difficult to me.
Simply say:
"Let's get the first shoot finished and then we can talk about a second - I still haven't received the images". Perfect, states position well, and leaves door ajar for another shoot if photographer gets his shit together.
Artist/Painter
Hunter GWPB
Posts: 8188
King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, US
edit:
Redacted rather than create more controversy.
I apologize to anyone that was offended. (edit: (and to those who can't identify sarcasm; and those unable to respond maturely, without insults and/or expletives.))
Photographer
Renato Alberto
Posts: 1052
San Francisco, California, US
J O H N A L L A N wrote:
This seems not so difficult to me.
Simply say:
"Let's get the first shoot finished and then we can talk about a second - I still haven't received the images". ^This is the right answer!
Because you know the definition of insanity."Doing the same thing over again, and expecting different results"!
If you shoot again, you won't get those images either. 
Photographer
Mark
Posts: 2977
New York, New York, US
or you could agree and show up at his studio and say give me my pics before we start shooting and have a flash drive with you..
wonder if you could take him to small claims court (US) ??
Model
Jen B
Posts: 4474
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Lana_mature wrote:
Need honest opinions from both a model and photographer perspective. I shot with a photographer (TF) about 3 month ago, and he has promised me edited pictures which he hasn't delivered. ...
The question is "What is the best way to handle this?" I am thinking I should just walk away from the pics. Too many head games. Opinions? Not only do Ithink you should not shoot another tf shoot with him but since you say there are head games with him I recommend stopping the madness and walking away.
If you do shoot with him again, when he already has strung you along, then he is justified in not following through with shoots from any further shoots since, "you already know,"how he is.
I've been there, done that and learned from more than onen photographer in TF shoots. Sure, they have a willing model but a tf model expectation is to receive photos from the shoot and not just to repeat more of the same for more of the same, (i.e. nothing but head games from this guy.) If there are any head games from someone, why continue anything with them? No. Nothing good can come of that. Drama, but, that isn't my thing.
I'd walk away, block and save your energy for a real shoot.
Jen
Photographer
Beatnik 13 Photography
Posts: 86
Barrie, Ontario, Canada
I am going with the majority here. If the photographer did not deliver as promised at this point . . write him off.
Why would you even think of another TF with this guy. I will put money on the fact that a lot of shooters would love to have
a TF shoot with you. And where you are there should be no shortage of photographers.
Photographer
Farenell Photography
Posts: 18832
Albany, New York, US
Lana_mature wrote:
Need honest opinions from both a model and photographer perspective. I shot with a photographer (TF) about 3 month ago, and he has promised me edited pictures which he hasn't delivered. I picked out some pics (1-2) per look about 2.5 months ago and now he wants to shoot with me (TF) again. I feel that he is now holding the pics as bait/leverage and if I dont shoot with him again, I wont get the pics from the first shoot.
I have asked him a couple of times very politely for the pics over the past couple of months and he said he would get them to me, but continues to shoot other models.
I asked him how the pictures were from the first shoot but haven't heard back from him because I initially replied to him that was too busy with work to shoot a second time, which is the truth.
The question is "What is the best way to handle this?" I am thinking I should just walk away from the pics. Too many head games. Opinions? If you haven't gotten pictures from shoot #1 (or a good explanation as to why they have yet to be delivered), it doesn't seem like he's giving you much reason that you'll get pictures from shoot #2.
Photographer
alessandro2009
Posts: 8091
Florence, Toscana, Italy
Shei P wrote:
Move on don't waste your time shooting again. +1
Photographer
Amul La La
Posts: 885
London, England, United Kingdom
Shei P wrote:
Move on dont waste your time shooting again. If the pics from the first test were any good you would have seen them already. My sentiments, and can I just add, he sounds like a complete an utter prick (dickhead), excuse my manners.
Photographer
fsp
Posts: 3656
New York, New York, US
In nu yawk we say fagedaboutit! Move on but be sure to tell m he's a jerk!
Photographer
PhillipM
Posts: 8049
Nashville, Tennessee, US
BlueMoonPics wrote:
I agree. Move on and don't waste your time again with this photographer. D i t t o
Photographer
DespayreFX
Posts: 1481
Delta, British Columbia, Canada
J O H N A L L A N wrote:
This seems not so difficult to me.
Simply say:
"Let's get the first shoot finished and then we can talk about a second - I still haven't received the images". My solution as well. "Sure, sounds great, as soon as I get the shots from our first shoot, let's try and schedule another one! Looking forward to that!" etc, etc.
Photographer
Natural Means
Posts: 936
Yamba, New South Wales, Australia
It would be different if he said "so sorry, the shoot 1 was a failure because,....... I know what I did wrong, and I'd like to reshoot if that works for you". But as it appears here I'd forget him and come to Sydney, NSW, Australia and shoot with yours truely.
Model
Victoria Morrisa
Posts: 130
New York, New York, US
If he is trying to manipulate you, he is definitely not a professional and unfortunately I don't believe you would get your photos back even if you did every extra shoot he asked for. Sorry this happened to you. 
Photographer
Rik Austin
Posts: 12164
Austin, Texas, US
That would be like a photographer scheduling a model that flaked on them the month before. Tell him thanks but no.
Photographer
GER Photography
Posts: 8463
Imperial, California, US
Tell him to go pound sand, and if he's on here, give him my number if he wants to know why.
Photographer
Armaziu
Posts: 6
Bucharest, Bucharest, Romania
As a photographer I say...move on and just because he is such a d*** make sure he is not posting the photos at any time (in case you did not sign a release) Or say sure but you want to see the edits and get the photos from the last shoot...after that have him wait 3 months for the new TF shoot.
Photographer
LeWhite
Posts: 2038
Los Angeles, California, US
J O H N A L L A N wrote:
This seems not so difficult to me.
Simply say:
"Let's get the first shoot finished and then we can talk about a second - I still haven't received the images". best answer^ HE probably isnt satisfied with the first shoot and wants reprieve. Tell him yes, but old business first.
Photographer
Brad Malmgren
Posts: 21
Lakeville, Minnesota, US
LeWhite wrote:
Simply say:
"Let's get the first shoot finished and then we can talk about a second - I still haven't received the images". Being a photog, I really hate to hear stories like this. If they are motivated to shoot with you again, I agree with giving a carrot, say you may shoot again but need the first shoot completed before a second. Then, of course, don't shoot again...
Photographer
Lee_Photography
Posts: 9863
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
Lana_mature wrote:
Need honest opinions from both a model and photographer perspective. I shot with a photographer (TF) about 3 month ago, and he has promised me edited pictures which he hasn't delivered. I picked out some pics (1-2) per look about 2.5 months ago and now he wants to shoot with me (TF) again. I feel that he is now holding the pics as bait/leverage and if I dont shoot with him again, I wont get the pics from the first shoot.
I have asked him a couple of times very politely for the pics over the past couple of months and he said he would get them to me, but continues to shoot other models.
I asked him how the pictures were from the first shoot but haven't heard back from him because I initially replied to him that was too busy with work to shoot a second time, which is the truth.
The question is "What is the best way to handle this?" I am thinking I should just walk away from the pics. Too many head games. Opinions? Simply tell him what you feel, that since he has not delivered any photos from the first shoot, you do not expect any different outcome from a second shoot.
Let him know if he pays for your time form the first shoot at your rate of 75.00 dollars an hour, [fill in any amount you want to charge] for the number of hours you were at the first shoot plus travel time.
Then pays you in advance for the second shoot, cash in advance you will shoot with him.
Photographer
Arizona Shoots
Posts: 28657
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Shei P wrote:
Move on dont waste your time shooting again. If the pics from the first test were any good you would have seen them already. I agree and I believe that this is the #1 reason so many photographers flake when it comes to delivering the goods. If the images are good, most photographers can't wait to impress you.
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 33877
Arcata, California, US
Hunter GWPB wrote:
Use his weaknesses against him. Suggest an intimate encounter. Have him take you to a really expensive restaurant where you are sure to get in the mood. Make sure he books a room (penthouse suite), because you are planning on following through. Eat, flirt, work him up. Leave. Remind him about his empty promises as you put your coat on. Then block him.
Do unto others as they have done unto you. Really bad idea to stoop to his level. Behaving in a patently dishonest and unprofessional manner will not make him behave in an honest and professional manner. It will likely just make him more devious, since this suggested tactic will justify his bad behavior.
Monumentally stupid idea to bring the promise (even just a suggestion) of sex into it. Good way to endanger the model... or the next model he tries to work with.
Artist/Painter
Hunter GWPB
Posts: 8188
King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, US
Orca Bay Images wrote:
Really bad idea to stoop to his level. Behaving in a patently dishonest and unprofessional manner will not make him behave in an honest and professional manner. It will likely just make him more devious, since this suggested tactic will justify his bad behavior.
Monumentally stupid idea to bring the promise (even just a suggestion) of sex into it. Good way to endanger the model... or the next model he tries to work with. You are absolutely right.
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