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Photographer

mschlocker

Posts: 17

Palo Alto, California, US

How do you achieve that seductive look, model staring into camera, lips parted, maybe something that would be used for a lingerie ad.  Do you breathe out, do you role play in your head, etc?  I'm a photographer looking for ways to direct clients who I want to help look like professional models.  Some people just have it and others need some coaching. 
Thanks!

Jul 27 15 04:07 pm Link

Model

Koryn

Posts: 39496

Boston, Massachusetts, US

It's a combination of facial muscle control in both the mouth and eyes.

Parting the lips, slightly elevating the chin and exhaling will soften the expression and get something more like you're seeking.

The "smoldering" part comes from a combination of what I mentioned above, plus either slightly relaxing, or slightly squinting the muscles around the eyes (depending on what you're going - one gives a "prettier" softer look, while the other may be interpreted as more aggressive).

The only way for models to really become good at expressions is to look at photos of people making those faces and to practice them.

The mistake of telling people to "role play" in their heads is that often the way we actually contract our facial muscles in REAL life in response to stimuli is defined by factors such as the culture in which we grew up. Some cultures show a lot of facial emotions that come out in response to "real life" activities, while others are more stoic. People who grew up with little outward facial expression must work especially hard to understand facial muscle control and start to mimic expressions that are associate with certain emotions.

Also, a lot of people's facial expressions during times of genuine arousal or erotic interest are not necessarily attractive. Those same people can learn to produce a beautiful facial expression that mimics how others would interpret a "sexy face," to be used in photos. It is not likely to be the expression that person actually has when they are feeling sexy.

Jul 27 15 05:27 pm Link

Photographer

Risen Phoenix Photo

Posts: 3779

Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

Mae West perhaps put it best

"Don't think sexy, think sex"

Jul 27 15 05:29 pm Link

Photographer

Rays Fine Art

Posts: 7504

New York, New York, US

Risen Phoenix Photo wrote:
Mae West perhaps put it best

"Don't think sexy, think sex"

Probably the best answer.  For God's sake, don't say "Make love to the camera"!

Actually, I find that unless I'm dealing with a very experienced model, the seductive quality tends to come only after we've become very comfortable with each other, so I tend to avoid working toward it with forced expressions, but rather to use lighting and posing to suggest the mood.  And I take a lot of pictures quickly once I have everything in place in hopes of catching the moment when it occurs.  It's very much a case where patience pays.

All IMHO as always, of course.

Jul 27 15 08:14 pm Link

Photographer

Mortonovich

Posts: 6209

San Diego, California, US

mschlocker wrote:
How do you achieve that seductive look, model staring into camera, lips parted, maybe something that would be used for a lingerie ad.  Do you breathe out, do you role play in your head, etc?  I'm a photographer looking for ways to direct clients who I want to help look like professional models.  Some people just have it and others need some coaching. 
Thanks!

You cast for it! You select the model that can throw out that look based on her portfolio.

Jul 27 15 09:04 pm Link

Photographer

Nor-Cal Photography

Posts: 3720

Walnut Creek, California, US

Mortonovich wrote:
You cast for it! You select the model that can throw out that look based on her portfolio.

+1

But just one worthless opinion.

smile

Jul 27 15 09:53 pm Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

Mortonovich wrote:

You cast for it! You select the model that can throw out that look based on her portfolio.

I agree.

Jul 27 15 10:39 pm Link

Photographer

E Thompson Photography

Posts: 719

Hyattsville, Maryland, US

The OP said said he's working with clients, not models and he wants to give them a model look.

Jul 28 15 11:45 am Link

Model

Shei P

Posts: 540

Brooklyn, New York, US

E Thompson Photography wrote:
The OP said said he's working with clients, not models and he wants to give them a model look.

His clients are girls who want to look like models

Jul 28 15 01:22 pm Link

Model

Shei P

Posts: 540

Brooklyn, New York, US

Mortonovich wrote:
You cast for it! You select the model that can throw out that look based on her portfolio.

You cant direct for it. She has to have "it" already and "it" isnt easy to come by

Jul 28 15 01:23 pm Link

Photographer

JONATHAN RICHARD

Posts: 778

New York, New York, US

Some of us have a natural talent to capture that moment with a model and/or have an ability to cox a look when working together with them.

But at the end of the day (hopefully sooner) you will understand that either the model has the ability or not. (It is that simple)   

Suggestions for you ....would be to do a better job at casting the talent you work with. .... Shoot younger models you be surprised at what look you can pull form them (experienced with modeling or not).

Jul 28 15 02:28 pm Link

Photographer

Carle Photography

Posts: 9271

Oakland, California, US

I believe the question was directed to those who work with direct boudoir clients.

We don't cast for those clients, they hire us direct to give them an amazing day of beauty & photos to match.

Here are a few things that have worked for me.

1. "I want to look sexy" Great, now what is YOUR version of sexy?
Bettie Page all giggles & fetishy grins,
Kim Kardashian modern pout and lots of make up, 
Girl next door real smiles
Lara Croft I'll kick your ass then kiss you....

Ask what style of sexy they are going for.
Let people know it is OK to be a serious sexy or a smiling approcahble sexy

2. Use Pinterest
I use pinterest WITH my clients to see the styles of images they want, many people will say one thing, and then want another. Or what they say is such a broad topic you have no clue. a 20 year old "sexy" is not a 50 year olds "sexy"
(I also have several Tachin pin up & erotica books for clients to look at)

3. Tell clients right up front they WILL look like fools. Once they get that in their head, it is now OK to look like a fool and over exaggerate poses, & expressions. Lick that armpit, lick it good!

This helps break the ice and shows them that the most serious photos are not so serious at all. Get loose have fun, many of my clients actually purchase "outtakes" those silly images with real genuine smiles and giggles as well as the primped & posed shots.

4. Client begs for the open mouth slutty porn box cover shots.
Go for it, Have them think about all the porn covers they have seen & start acting out all the faces. Start with duckface.

5. You can also pose them, chin down, lower, lower, eyes up.
Have them say all the vowels in the alphabet. AAAAAEEEEIIIIOOOOUUU
Have them take in a deep breath then exhale slowly.
Tell them to lick their lips, suck fingers, toes whatever body part they can fit in their mouth.

http://carlephotography.com/

Jul 28 15 03:18 pm Link

Model

chiomajasmine

Posts: 62

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

I feel like giving "the look" is something that a model has to feel in the moment. If it fits the look of the shoot then for me *personally* it just seems to happen, smiling big is just less natural for me and it feels more like I'm trying.

Jul 28 15 03:56 pm Link

Photographer

JONATHAN RICHARD

Posts: 778

New York, New York, US

Carle Photography wrote:
I believe the question was directed to those who work with direct boudoir clients.

We don't cast for those clients, they hire us direct to give them an amazing day of beauty & photos to match.

Clients who hire a photographer  to provide a service that the photographer  can’t  provide and is not skilled to  deliver is not  good business practice and not something that I recommend for the OP.

Having a model stand on one leg while swinging a chicken over their head and barking like a dog to get a look may work for some??

Yet, I stand (on both legs) by my suggestion to cast for better talent you work with to first learn your craft and if that comes to  learning from working together with skilled modeling talent so be it .

Jul 29 15 10:32 am Link

Model

T Pike

Posts: 43

Rushville, Illinois, US

I've been told its based on past experiences. But for me its just playing a part, or a mood. smile

Aug 18 15 03:46 pm Link

Photographer

udor

Posts: 25255

New York, New York, US

Koryn wrote:
It's a combination of facial muscle control in both the mouth and eyes.

Parting the lips, slightly elevating the chin and exhaling will soften the expression and get something more like you're seeking.

The "smoldering" part comes from a combination of what I mentioned above, plus either slightly relaxing, or slightly squinting the muscles around the eyes (depending on what you're going - one gives a "prettier" softer look, while the other may be interpreted as more aggressive).

The only way for models to really become good at expressions is to look at photos of people making those faces and to practice them.

The mistake of telling people to "role play" in their heads is that often the way we actually contract our facial muscles in REAL life in response to stimuli is defined by factors such as the culture in which we grew up. Some cultures show a lot of facial emotions that come out in response to "real life" activities, while others are more stoic. People who grew up with little outward facial expression must work especially hard to understand facial muscle control and start to mimic expressions that are associate with certain emotions.

Also, a lot of people's facial expressions during times of genuine arousal or erotic interest are not necessarily attractive. Those same people can learn to produce a beautiful facial expression that mimics how others would interpret a "sexy face," to be used in photos. It is not likely to be the expression that person actually has when they are feeling sexy.

I've been told that "Make LOVE to the camera!!!" is supposed a surefire thing... and if the model needs more encouragement, photographers should say "Pretend that I am your lover, now seduce me!!!" 

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Aug 18 15 03:57 pm Link

Photographer

The Dave

Posts: 8848

Ann Arbor, Michigan, US

udor wrote:
've been told that "Make LOVE to the camera!!!" is supposed a surefire thing... and if the model needs more encouragement, photographers should say "Pretend that I am your lover, now seduce me!!!" 

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Done that once, what I did not know was the model way of seduction was into flogging and shit...

Aug 18 15 07:18 pm Link