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Photographer

Lite Fusion

Posts: 11

Allgood, Alabama, US

This is a good article for photographers and models alike to read?

Comments welcome after reading it!

http://feminspire.com/why-nude-modeling … n-my-life/

Aug 24 15 11:46 am Link

Artist/Painter

Hunter GWPB

Posts: 8179

King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, US

BLX Photography wrote:
This is a good article for photographers and models alike to read?

Comments welcome after reading it!

http://feminspire.com/why-nude-modeling … n-my-life/

It could ruin her life if she choses to pose nude, which is a perspective more than a fact, because the country and the world is full of judgmental people who spend lots of time concerning themselves with things that are not their concern.  The article, in my opinion, is representative of the attitudes that you find on MM.  It starts with nude shaming from some people.  It progresses in art shaming where some will state that art nudes which involve graphic display of genitals certainly aren't art.  We are often referred to the +18 contests for examples of what is not art but perversion.  Yet said judges have failed to explain where the line is or define the separation between an art nude and, what they must consider to be, porn.

The author of the article seems to lament the consequences of taking her clothes off for a photographer and she does not seem to have decided to  do so.  If she was to read this post, I would advise her not to pose nude if her stated goal was to be involved in law.  Sometimes we can change the world we live in.  Sometimes we can't.  Until the author is willing to accept the unjust consequences of an action, along with the just consequences, it is unwise to participate in said action.

I am interested to see how the selfie generation sees things in a few more years.  Will nude selfies be looked back upon as a horrible mistake or will people wonder what all the fuss was about?

Aug 24 15 01:56 pm Link

Photographer

Lite Fusion

Posts: 11

Allgood, Alabama, US

Some people pose nude and it hurts them, some pose nude and it helps them.  It seems to be reflected on their beliefs and attitudes.

A well seasoned individual knows how to use even difficulty or controversy to their advantage while the timid try to make it through life, safely to death.

Aug 24 15 03:10 pm Link

Model

Koryn

Posts: 39496

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Whether she wants it to be the  case or not, the rest of her life will be effected.

It doesn't matter if it's just or not.

I'm in my 30s and have been nude on the internet for years now. The only reasons it hasn't come back to bite me in the ass are:

A. The more "mainstream" jobs I've had were in industries that tend to attract misfits. I worked as a personal trainer for a year, alongside a couple of guys who'd spent time in prison. Anything they were likely to find out about me paled in comparison to ex-drug dealers and gun-traffickers.

B. I was extremely picky about separating my "civilian life" from my work life, to the point where I never, ever mentioned to a person outside the industry that I modeled nude. No one ever knew it, except people I told. When I was working non-modeling jobs, I said not one mention of having modeled, even to coworkers with whom I became quite friendly.

C. I kept my alias separate from my "real" life and looked very different in daily life than I looked at photoshoots. In daily life, tattoos stayed covered, I wore no makeup at all and big eyeglasses. I did occasionally get recognized by random people out in public, back in the 2009-2010 range, but it was when I was actually dressed up to go to a shoot.

D. I have never, nor will ever, work in any type of public servant job. Those are out. Forever. Amen. And that's ok.

Aug 24 15 03:13 pm Link

Artist/Painter

Hunter GWPB

Posts: 8179

King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, US

BLX Photography wrote:
Some people pose nude and it hurts them, some pose nude and it helps them.  It seems to be reflected on their beliefs and attitudes.

A well seasoned individual knows how to use even difficulty or controversy to their advantage while the timid try to make it through life, safely to death.

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Some people have been bold enough to follow the course they chose, to find others that are bold enough to stand in their path.  It would be great if life really was just an inspirational line that could be repeated until we are returned safely to Kansas.  The reality of life includes lawyers and expensive confrontations.  It includes at will states where you have no rights of employment and can be fired for ANY reason.  It includes people that hack the phones of unsuspecting people and then email the person's employer, often a school principle, with stolen and private photos, and a person looses a job.   It is one thing to step onto the burning coals.  It is another to be thrust into the fire.  Seldom is their a spirit there that protects us from the heat.  We are left to bear the burdens of our actions alone.  Often without the ones we trust.  Sometimes, at the hands of the ones we trust.

An ex Miss America did very well when she was outed after having posed nude.  That is not always going to be true for everyone.  I am sure that her success did not come without pain and tears.  It may have been her choice to pose nude, but it was not her choice to have the photos published.  On this site, the article's premise will be mostly accepted.  It does not change the reality.  Your premise that it helps some and hurts others: who gets to decide?  Often it is the person that is releasing the photos and their motives are not altruistic.


My question to you:  Have you posed nude and, if so, who controls the photos?

Aug 24 15 05:16 pm Link

Photographer

Herman Surkis

Posts: 10856

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

Koryn wrote:
Whether she wants it to be the  case or not, the rest of her life will be effected.

It doesn't matter if it's just or not.

I'm in my 30s and have been nude on the internet for years now. The only reasons it hasn't come back to bite me in the ass are:

A. The more "mainstream" jobs I've had were in industries that tend to attract misfits. I worked as a personal trainer for a year, alongside a couple of guys who'd spent time in prison. Anything they were likely to find out about me paled in comparison to ex-drug dealers and gun-traffickers.

B. I was extremely picky about separating my "civilian life" from my work life, to the point where I never, ever mentioned to a person outside the industry that I modeled nude. No one ever knew it, except people I told. When I was working non-modeling jobs, I said not one mention of having modeled, even to coworkers with whom I became quite friendly.

C. I kept my alias separate from my "real" life and looked very different in daily life than I looked at photoshoots. In daily life, tattoos stayed covered, I wore no makeup at all and big eyeglasses. I did occasionally get recognized by random people out in public, back in the 2009-2010 range, but it was when I was actually dressed up to go to a shoot.

D. I have never, nor will ever, work in any type of public servant job. Those are out. Forever. Amen. And that's ok.

Smart moves.

And truly sad that you had too.

But truth is, that much of what we do will have future consequences.
As many of the teen selfies, and twit posts will soon find out.

Aug 24 15 05:16 pm Link

Photographer

Rob Photosby

Posts: 4810

Brisbane, Queensland, Australia

Hunter  GWPB wrote:
I am interested to see how the selfie generation sees things in a few more years.  Will nude selfies be looked back upon as a horrible mistake or will people wonder what all the fuss was about?

Interesting question.  My guess is that "what was all the fuss about" will win, in much the same way as living together outside marriage used to be scandalous, whereas, nowadays, people are considered odd if they do not co-habit.

Aug 24 15 06:28 pm Link

Photographer

ontherocks

Posts: 23575

Salem, Oregon, US

i think that having nude photos could definitely impact your life (lose a job, lose a potential mate, possibly lose the ability to run for office, etc.)  whether it can "ruin" your life depends on your definition of ruin i suppose. but it seems like we're in a country where if even one person (even a whackjob type) is offended then hell can rain down on you!

it would be nice if the US were a tolerant place but it's not completely there yet. i was just watching a program on amsterdam and those folks seem light years ahead of us.

Aug 27 15 05:49 pm Link

Photographer

Jeffrey M Fletcher

Posts: 4861

Asheville, North Carolina, US

I have photographed several women nude who were, at the time or at later periods involved in professions such as teaching, healthcare, counseling and science. None have ever had any trouble from my work. I've also exhibited my nice and even erotic photography publically while at the same time working in public schools. No alias or attempt to conceal my identity.

It doesn't surprise me that I've had the results I've had. My own work is pretty securely based in fine art traditions and the way I shoot gives a lot of room to shoot nudes that are both absolutely personal and identifiable to the participants while being near useless for usual identification purposes. With much of my work even those algorithms designed to "catch" nudity often pass over my images.

So , of course I have the view that there are nudes, and then there are other types of nudes and that with the type i do I can work with relative safety and impunity even with people in sensitive professions. Blanket statements such as "you can't do nudes if your going to be a __________, don't mean much to me because they haven't proved to be even remotely accurate in my experience.

It all depends.

Aug 27 15 06:05 pm Link