alba_andela wrote:
I've been asked to do inappropriate shoots even though I'm a teenager. It's been justified by showing me other young "models".
I work at a law firm that does a lot of work for human trafficking so I see a trafficked child not a happy teen 'model', but that's my take. The photographer was from another country which may have had something to do with it as far as legal issues go.. but I was kind of creeped out.

BLOCKKKK

If those requests are coming from MMers, I hope you're reporting them.

alba_andela wrote:
I've been asked to do inappropriate shoots even though I'm a teenager. It's been justified by showing me other young "models".
I work at a law firm that does a lot of work for human trafficking so I see a trafficked child not a happy teen 'model', but that's my take. The photographer was from another country which may have had something to do with it as far as legal issues go.. but I was kind of creeped out.

BLOCKKKK

I totally believe you. There are some people that are just creepers...

Branditoxicrose wrote:
So last night I was discussing my rates expected for types of shoot. An the photographer was like "you only want to get paid for erotic acts" but I was answering his questions about the difference between two types. So he said no thanks..... I awake to a message saying "just had a thought, for that rate, can I touch you? Or would i be allowed to".... Whatttt!? *face palm* I've been called stunning, sexy, etc I find it a confident boost. But this just what?!?. So now you?

Hehe LOL. There is a lot of paid work from photographers just getting into it all... They don't know any better.
But then there is the ones that have been doing it long enough to know, but still push as much as they can. It comes with the territory (online). Nothing stuns or shocks me anymore.

Risen Phoenix Photo wrote:

Ok thanks for the definition, though that is different than most photographers define it. Most would say erotic is open leg, while adult would be considered something that would be against site rules.

Perhaps you should include your definition in your profile.  I think it could solve a lot of confusion.

+1

I agree, that is most peoples definition. Erotic is open leg, and adult is...........insertion

Branditoxicrose wrote:
So last night I was discussing my rates expected for types of shoot. An the photographer was like "you only want to get paid for erotic acts" but I was answering his questions about the difference between two types.

One rate for all sounds like the simplest solution. I think that modeling rate should not be different based on the fact if you are modeling art, nude, portrait, beauty, whatever. Unless at first he was poking holes in the logic of charging for different rates and was asking because it didn't make sense.

Branditoxicrose wrote:
So he said no thanks..... I awake to a message saying "just had a thought, for that rate, can I touch you? Or would i be allowed to".... Whatttt!? *face palm* I've been called stunning, sexy, etc I find it a confident boost. But this just what?!?. So now you?

It could be that by offering rates for different types of modeling you made him wonder what kind of services you were offering. If he thought you were part of the hidden culture here of people who are not really models but use it as a front to offer illegal services could be why he asked the next day. Sounds like you confused him.

Jen

Jen B wrote:
It could be that by offering rates for different types of modeling you made him wonder what kind of services you were offering. If he thought you were part of the hidden culture here of people who are not really models but use it as a front to offer illegal services could be why he asked the next day. Sounds like you confused him.

Jen

That does actually happen.  I've been using MM for about six years and I've probably had three or four messages that went something like this:

Model: Hi, I'll be in your area for about a week at the end of the month.  Here are my rates.  Love to shoot!

Me: No response

Model (a week or two later):  I still have some open times.  If you aren't interested in shooting, I'd still like to make some extra money.  (Doing what, painting my house?)

I also had a shoot a few years ago with a traveling model.  I went to pick her up at her hotel room.  While she was gathering her things, she asked if I'd rather spend an hour in the hotel room for the same money as the three hour shoot we'd booked.  I took the shoot.  While driving her back after the shoot, I asked how often people take the hotel room over the shoot.  She laughed and said she gets takers.  I made a joke about how she is single handedly ruining it for everyone, but I don't know how rare this actually is.

MN Photography wrote:
That does actually happen.  I've been using MM for about six years and I've probably had three or four messages that went something like this:

Model: Hi, I'll be in your area for about a week at the end of the month.  Here are my rates.  Love to shoot!

Me: No response

Model (a week or two later):  I still have some open times.  If you aren't interested in shooting, I'd still like to make some extra money.  (Doing what, painting my house?)

I also had a shoot a few years ago with a traveling model.  I went to pick her up at her hotel room.  While she was gathering her things, she asked if I'd rather spend an hour in the hotel room for the same money as the three hour shoot we'd booked.  I took the shoot.  While driving her back after the shoot, I asked how often people take the hotel room over the shoot.  She laughed and said she gets takers.  I made a joke about how she is single handedly ruining it for everyone, but I don't know how rare this actually is.

I've heard about this too when I first came here from real life considerate people that I shot with making sure that I was appropriately cautious about betting who I shoot with.I think it is common enough that any vagueness when discussing rates per act, (er, posing genre,) might make someone scratch their head to wonder. Could be what happened to the OP since the person came back later to ask if she meant something else.

Jen

alba_andela wrote:
I've been asked to do inappropriate shoots even though I'm a teenager. It's been justified by showing me other young "models".
I work at a law firm that does a lot of work for human trafficking so I see a trafficked child not a happy teen 'model', but that's my take. The photographer was from another country which may have had something to do with it as far as legal issues go.. but I was kind of creeped out.

BLOCKKKK

For Internet modeling you're absolutely correct.  And you do have to be very careful about who you are willing to work with. And blocking him is the right thing to do.

However Kate Moss was photographed on a beach topless/nude by a female photographer in Europe at the start of her modeling career at 15 or Natasha Kinski, Moira Kelly, Brooke Shields, Michelle Johnson and many others all acted in nude scenes for Movies under 18.

The only reason I am saying this is that all these women were far from "trafficked".

Jen B wrote:

I've heard about this too when I first came here from real life considerate people that I shot with making sure that I was appropriately cautious about betting who I shoot with.I think it is common enough that any vagueness when discussing rates per act, (er, posing genre,) might make someone scratch their head to wonder. Could be what happened to the OP since the person came back later to ask if she meant something else.

Jen

Several years ago I had a scheduled shoot with a model at 5PM in the desert.  It became cool and windy and I suggested that we go back to Phoenix and have the shoot in the hotel room.  She was cold and was very happy to go back to Phoenix with me.   

Jenna_jensen wrote:
can you shit on me

That depends.... 



Do I have to clean up afterwards?

Gryph wrote:

That depends.... 



Do I have to clean up afterwards?

I wouldn't even consider it!   

Jerry Nemeth wrote:

I wouldn't even consider it!   

That's because your diaper catches it all

Gryph wrote:

That's because your diaper catches it all

That scenario is not for me!

ASmallWoman wrote:
I've had several people contact me asking what sort of adult work I do.

Ummm....none. And then I report them. Why they think I do adult work, when I have no adult work in my portfolio or on any of my sites is really beyond me. Why they think this is the correct place to solicit that type of work is also beyond me. But, at the end of the day, I don't really care what their reasoning would be, I just report them.

Same for people who would ask to touch me. It's gross, and unwarranted, and you can't reason with them (well, unless your willing to reason over that sort of work), so just flag them in the message section.

This confuses me, Your Port is completely full of nudes. Why would the question of what sort of adult work offend you. Maybe I am confused but shooting nudes falls under adult work.

Lifestyles photography wrote:

This confuses me, Your Port is completely full of nudes. Why would the question of what sort of adult work offend you. Maybe I am confused but shooting nudes falls under adult work.

Shooting nudes does not mean adult work.

Lifestyles photography wrote:

This confuses me, Your Port is completely full of nudes. Why would the question of what sort of adult work offend you. Maybe I am confused but shooting nudes falls under adult work.

Yes, I'd say you were confused. Yes, shooting nudes usually requires that the model be an adult, but that doesn't make it "adult work". In the photographic world, "adult work" is usually a euphemism for pornography (and I don't mean that in the Moral Majority sense).

MN Photography wrote:
I also had a shoot a few years ago with a traveling model.  I went to pick her up at her hotel room.  While she was gathering her things, she asked if I'd rather spend an hour in the hotel room for the same money as the three hour shoot we'd booked.  I took the shoot.  While driving her back after the shoot, I asked how often people take the hotel room over the shoot.  She laughed and said she gets takers.  I made a joke about how she is single handedly ruining it for everyone, but I don't know how rare this actually is.

This JUST happened to me today. A traveling model is coming through the area. I happen to have a few extra bucks in the photo account, so I messaged her about a shoot. She gave me a rate (fair, reasonable) for a 3 hour studio shoot then said, "Or, for the same price we can just hang out in my hotel for an hour."

I passed on both, and yes, I did CAM

Good Egg Productions wrote:
If we are going to report photographers for asking models to define what "erotic acts" are, then we should be reporting models who do "erotic acts".
POV interaction during nude or erotic photography is not necessarily disgusting or inappropriate.  It's also not necessarily against the rules of MM.  Don't just jump to conclusions about things without knowing the details.

Many models on here do adult work in addition to straighter model work.  Many photographers here shoot erotic content in addition to straighter mainstream work.  If we CAM all of us and get the banhammer, this community will get much smaller.

+100, spot on objective observation

Amelia Simone wrote:
Had a male model write to me asking if I'm open to traveling if flight was paid.
I wrote a nice reply back saying I don't work with male models, but thank you for reaching out.
He wrote back and said, Who said we would be working together?

....wtf

Jerry Nemeth wrote:

Lol glad you got a kick out of that Jerry!

MoRina wrote:

Wow.  So model quotes high rates = the photographer automatically can assume that it includes touching and/or porn and/or sex acts?  Disgusting.

To the OP - flag the message and contact a moderator.  That "photographer" is not allowed on MM if he's asking for that.

Not knowing exactly how the photographer phrased it ... or if it was just said poorly ...
the OP says she does erotic / adult style ...
AND is willing to do stuff like in her lists
THREE of those lists are filled with  intimate / erotic shots of couples ....
MAYBE the photographer wanted to know if he could be the other person in the shot instead of hiring another model ...
( probably not ... but maybe )

aquarelle wrote:
I always think it's funny (or reason to question my own communication skills) when a model I've hired for a nude project texts me the morning of asking "what should I wear?"

I've asked this for nude shoots before because at the time i was new. I wasn't aware that wearing certain garments lead to marks etc.

Paolo Diavolo wrote:

that makes no sense but I don't even shoot nudes.

if you're getting the wrong kind of offers you should probably take the word "ADULT" out of your profile where it comes to describing your nude work.

+1

Julia Francesca  wrote:
One ANNOYING photographer would constantly bug me to shoot, setting up dates and then canceling, over and over. He "told me" he would pay me so I was like whatever at his stupid flakiness, but then he started asking "would you do more?" And i'd be like "more than what, like what do you want?" and he would dissolve into a series of LOLs and acting all embarrassed so finally I was like "what, sleep with you?" and he replied "omg no I would never ask that of a model!" So he continued to ask, every time we spoke, "if i paid you more, would you do more?" Finally I blocked his annoying time-wasting ass.

It's the "dissolve into a series of LOLs" part that irks me the most. Was he 14???

Good Egg Productions wrote:
I have some of my photos hung on my walls and I almost always have a slideshow screensaver on my AppleTV playing music.

About half of the people who come through ask me if I took them.  I suppose it's possible I would hang other people's work in my house and have images I just happen to like as the slideshow, but it's a stretch.  I write it off as people just making conversation. 


To the OP:
Depending on how much you're asking for the erotic work, why is it out of the realm of possibility that it's for POV erotic work with the other participant being the photographer?

The first time someone asked me that, in my own studio, I actually had no response; I just looked at them like they had to be a special kind of stupid...