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Lighting dimmers vs Router controllers
I need to dim the output of some fresnels. The changes in light colour are not a problem. Dimmers are the most convenient way of controlling the output. Light dimmers for 1000w are fairly expensive, and yet router controllers are relatively reasonable. Will router controllers damage the fresnels? Only reason I can think of to not use them. Oct 23 16 01:56 pm Link Herman Surkis wrote: I am doing it this way, because moments ago I lost the entire post when going out to get links to the products. Oct 23 16 02:05 pm Link Herman, I'm assuming that the lamp behind your Fresnel is an incandescent of some type, and therefore needs a lamp controller, which is a resistive load - the type you referenced from B&H. The ebay controller is for motors; it expects to see a somewhat inductive load. While the 15 amp specification of the ebay controller would seem to be adequate, I'd worry about using it for a purely resistive load like a lamp operating at a kilowatt. Oct 23 16 02:23 pm Link Can you switch lamps down to 750 or 500 watts? Oct 23 16 03:09 pm Link You Can Call Me Pierre wrote: Or use scrims? Oct 23 16 03:57 pm Link Zack Zoll wrote: Scrims, gels etc. would work. But not as quick and easy as dimmers. Oct 24 16 01:13 pm Link On small theater stages I've run multiple banks of lights, fresnels, liekos and par cans, using ordinary household dimmers which are normally 15 amps @110 volts or a maximum safe capacity (in theory) of up to 1650 watts per dimmer. Since performance tends to fall off with use, run, coiling of cable and vary somewhat from the "norm" I always maxed out my load at 1000 watts per dimmer and never had a failure in more than 15 years of use of my home-made dimmer board consisting of two banks of dimmers, each fused at 15 Amps.. I would think that you'd be just fine if you simply dimmed each unit with its own dimmer. Home Depot or any good hardware store should have them in a rotary style or the slightly more expensive slider type that I prefer. Oct 24 16 09:20 pm Link They are simple (and relatively cheap) to build, I have several that I've made. You just have to buy properly rated dimmer switches. Oct 25 16 05:18 am Link Hi Herman I'm not sure how much you want to spend. But yes, the heavier dimmers are a bit pricey. I built one from a 120v household wall mount switch rated for 2k watts. I think it was marketed as a "chandelier dimmer" and if memory serves it was about $75 for the component. You can buy them factory made for maybe $200+ They will have better water resistance and look more professional than my homegrown version. They are marketed to tent rental companies and event companies. http://tentwares.com/catalog-item/electrical-dimmer/ EDIT The more I think about it, it you might consider just renting the dimmer a few times a year. Maybe $5/day? As the world moves to LEDs, the need for such heavy dimmers will probably go away. As for the fan controller, the one your referenced might be undersized. The fan controller is made for an inductive load. The light is a resistive load which generates more heat. I don't think the fan controller will damage the light. But I do think the heat generated might burn out the fan controller. So if you go the fan controller route you might want get one with an oversize rating. Oct 25 16 09:30 am Link Standard item from any electrical supply place -- yes there is a big price jump from 600W units which is unexplained as the only real difference is the current rating on the Triac/SCR and the added heat-sink capacity Any of Lutron NT1500 or NT-2000 N-2000 N-1500 should work for you with spare capacity (less overheating - longer life) (Incandescent / Halogen) http://www.lutron.com/en-US/Products/Pa … mbers.aspx http://www.lutron.com/en-US/Products/Pa … mbers.aspx (rotary knob cheaper than slide control) LUTRON NOVA N-1500 SLIDE DIMMER SWITCH http://www.ebay.com/itm/LUTRON-NOVA-N-1 … 1934047730 1000W http://www.ebay.com/itm/LUTRON-NOVA-N-1 … 1934041296 http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Lutron-Nova … 1910807929 inside? (1000w or less at 110V -- load rating is current dependent) http://www.ebay.com/itm/2000W-Voltage-R … 0608914161 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Router controller --- doesn't dim to off https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6E1uI8yOy0 Oct 26 16 03:00 am Link Its true that tungsten lighting is a restive load vs the inductive load of a motor, but the harbor freight router speed control doesn't seem to care in my experience. It dims 1000w tungsten and remains cool..... They are a triac based just like lighting dimmers but the harbor freight controller uses a much larger triac(I have taken one apart . I have a handful of old eBay Fresnel that I have retrofitted with flash tubes so they work like any other strobe. And if I need to shoot video I still have a 1k modeling light. Cheers, Noah Oct 26 16 03:50 am Link Noah Russell wrote: Info I needed. Oct 26 16 02:45 pm Link Michael Bots wrote: You found stuff I could not. Oct 26 16 02:53 pm Link I've used the "router" controllers with 600W Fresnels for several hours at a stretch with no issues whatsoever. But I'm no electrical engineer so can only say good luck and your mileage may vary. By the way, they are a lot cheaper at "Harbor Freight" than ebay or were when I got mine several years ago. Nov 07 16 03:27 pm Link Gabby57 wrote: Will look closer. Nov 09 16 10:22 pm Link |