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model takes the deposit but doesn't show up
I booked a photoshoot with her n March, 2021 and she asked me to pay a deposit of 137.50$ and sign a contract that clearly indicates that her hourly rate is 150$. Yet in early May, she violated the condition of the contract by increasing her rate to 300$/h. When I requested cancellation of the photoshoot and a refund of the deposit, she said the contract did not require her to refund and stopped replying to my email. What can I do? Jun 30 22 06:58 am Link BAI photography wrote: Model also did not show up? Jun 30 22 07:48 am Link BAI photography wrote: While the law in your jurisdiction may be different, I'd be willing to bet that they're nearly identical to those in all of the US states and other modern countries. Jun 30 22 08:41 am Link Is this model on MM? If so contact a Moderator and see if there is anything they can do, like lock her profile until she makes resituating. If you have her personal info, I would take her to court. Here in the US we have a small claims court for dollar amount under $5000. No lawyers are able to attend. Not sure what your country has but you could check to see. Maybe you can get double for her breaking the contract. Me personally, I would not pay a deposit for a shoot on an out of town model without have all of their legal information. I may book a room for her to stay in but would not pay for it until she was present. Not sure what other options you have there. Jun 30 22 08:47 am Link SayCheez! wrote: In the US you can cite mail or electronic fraud. Show them emails. This is a hard case to plead when you have an email record of your conversation. Jun 30 22 08:52 am Link How did you pay her, PayPal, Venmo or check? You should be able to dispute an online payment and stop payment on a check for up to six months. I would follow through with it out of principle. Jun 30 22 09:21 am Link BAI photography wrote: I have never agreed to pay a deposit to any model. Most are willing to waive their request and a few have lost a job opportunity. Jun 30 22 10:54 pm Link The first thing that I did was to click through to your profile page to see who the model is. You are entitled to place "Do not recommend member xxxxxx" on your page. Then if someone contacts you privately, you may explain. Jul 01 22 07:07 am Link Nor-Cal Photography wrote: "just for you, this one time" Jul 01 22 02:05 pm Link Report her as deceased to MM and request they memorialize her account. Jul 01 22 02:59 pm Link Your first mistake was paying a non agency model any kind of deposit. Sorry dude, you got played. Lesson learned. Jul 02 22 12:20 pm Link I never paid a model a deposit until last summer. Burned. First time, last time. Luckily, she only took me for $100, but still.. Never again. I want to put her on blast, but that never ends well so live and learn. Jul 02 22 10:49 pm Link John Jebbia wrote: Without putting anyone on blast would it be possible for you to elaborate on the scenario? Jul 03 22 01:26 pm Link OP:Sorry this happened to you but sending funds to unknown, anonymous people on the internet is a disaster waiting to happen. This scenario was inevitable. Hope you get your $$$ back but more importantly I hope you learned your lesson. Jul 03 22 04:16 pm Link veypurr wrote: Give me a couple days to redact identifying information and I'll post the screenshots. Trust me, I've thought about putting her on blast, but that rarely ends well so I'm just chalking it up. Part of me feels like professional models should be aware of which "models" are out there making things harder for them though. Jul 03 22 06:09 pm Link John Jebbia wrote: To what end? Jul 07 22 12:18 pm Link I doubt that the "model"ever intended working with you. With the greatest of sympathy, all that you can do is chalk it up to experience, although I am surprised that you agreed to an initial rate of $150/hour, which, from my experience in Australia, is already well over the odds, and $300/hr is more than any reputable model asks. The behaviour described seems clearly fraudulent and you might have nominal recourse via the police and the Small Claims Tribunal, but, when the police are too busy to investigate burglaries and the fee for lodging a small claim is $80 (Qld price, but I expect that NSW is similar), your loss is too small to be actionable. You cannot name and shame on model mayhem, but you can on facecrook if you check out the photography groups. That being said, I wonder if this model even exists (she may be a teenage boy who has stolen photos for all we know) and there is nothing to stop her/him from scamming again under another name. Jul 08 22 05:44 pm Link I would never, EVER, pay a model a deposit for a shoot. That’s not to say it’s wrong. Maybe you feel like you have to. Maybe the model feels like you should. But I would never do it. I’m reminded of wise words a photographer friend said to me when I was starting out… “Photographers don’t pay models, clients do.” So I’ve never paid a model for a test shoot outside of images from the shoot. Having said that I’ve had plenty of jobs where the client didn’t have the budget for agency talent and I’ve sourced talent here or elsewhere. If a model told me that they would need a deposit (which hasn’t happened yet) I would totally move on to the next one. Jul 09 22 05:53 am Link Green Wave Photo 312 wrote: And when the Photographer is the Client, he often pays the model and the MUA and the studio fees if applicable. For lots of people, photography is a Hobby, not a business, and as such sometimes requires you to spend money. Jul 09 22 07:36 am Link Red Sky Photography wrote: Sounds like you've developed a keen ability to weed the flakes out. Whether sourcing for a job or test shoot or personal project, that is key. Jul 11 22 07:33 pm Link BAI photography wrote: Simple. You sue her for breach of contract. Assuming you kept all your correspondence, you have plenty of evidence so your case is airtight. Jul 19 22 08:18 am Link Red Sky Photography wrote: Exactly. Photography is not how I make my living. Jul 19 22 08:30 am Link I think I have only paid a deposit once and it was to a well know , long time MM with a very active account and was for only $50. Most others waived the deposit, only one did not and contacted me when she was in the area to schedule on a date I told her I wasn't available. Jul 20 22 08:17 am Link Malleus Veritas wrote: This is my MO, too, for my nude photography. Same reasons too. A couple of times I've had models complain that I didn't give them images in a timely manner (a week or two) and I remind them our agreement was they were being paid for the modeling time, not the photos, and any photos I send to them is done as a gift and not as a right. Most models though, are super happy when they get 5-10 images when they weren't expecting any. Aug 04 22 05:54 pm Link Shot By Adam wrote: I second this. In contrast to modeling agencies, there is little recourse when independent models flake. My philosophy is to never invest anything in a shoot that I’ll be overly disappointed to lose if the model no shows. That also includes studio rental or giving up something important for a shoot. Aug 04 22 06:35 pm Link I have had problems with models and giving them a deposit for future session. They don’t show up for a paid photo session and you lose time waiting for them. I have had a model call me one hour late and say they can show up in about 30 min. 30 min later I call them and they say they are making cookies for her kids. She has the gall to say she can be there in an hour. She got upset that I said forget it in an email in capital letters. Aug 13 22 07:42 pm Link Call a lawyer or go to small claims court. I am not a lawyer but contracts are basically mechanical. Fortunately you have a signed contract. The deposit was condition for both parties. She accepted it conditionally upon signing the contract for agreeing to do the shoot on the date and for the rate stated in the signed contract. If you the photographer cancelled but she was still willing and able to do the shoot, you lose the deposit. However she has decided to break the contract by refusing to model at the agreed to rate. She must return the deposit as it was conditional even if not explicitly stated in the contract. Lawyers are expensive and time also has a monetary value. What is $150 worth to you? Have a lawyer send her a letter stating that she must either honor the signed contract or return the contract or you will sue for both the contract and damages. Personally if things became acrimonious with a models I would not want to shoot them or expect any good images from a “hate shoot.” This would be playing poker with her and see who will call the bluff. She will not want to hire a lawyer to defend herself to keep $150 that her lawyer will tell her she is not entitled to. However if she talks to a lawyer friend they will tell her that you will not spend a lot on court fees and lawyers because even if you win, the damages will be less than legal fees. A threat from a lawyer could expedite things. Otherwise there is small claims court. That is slower but you will not need a lawyer. However even if you to small claims court figure out the financial damages regarding the cancelled shoot. Studio costs, a lost day. Higher cost of booking a last minute model as a replacement. Really think about it and itemize and expense to you caused by her cancelation and ask for that as well. I know if I take a day off from my day job I lose more than $150. In the end, is this worth it to you? Sep 30 22 08:19 am Link John Jebbia wrote: Oh darn! Oct 20 22 03:54 am Link Word to the wise...don't sign contracts unless you have enough money to go to court to enforce them. Oct 24 22 02:07 pm Link |