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Cesar Cuevas

Posts: 126

Los Angeles, California, US

Most shooters I know have rented it once, and dismissed them...
Even the rental companies joke about them.
They're "clumsy" and "don't do anything a regular beauty dish does"...
I think they have potential...
Any input or samples of successful use would be appreciated.

Jan 05 07 01:39 pm Link

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digital Artform

Posts: 49326

Los Angeles, California, US

This is the first time I've heard anything negative about Mola dishes. You mean specifically the biggest one?

The frosting pics in my port were shot with a Demi 22" one and a gold/silver zebra California Sunbounce for fill.

Jan 05 07 02:46 pm Link

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Darkroomist

Posts: 2097

Saginaw, Michigan, US

Jan 05 07 03:06 pm Link

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Kevin Connery

Posts: 17824

El Segundo, California, US

Cesar Cuevas wrote:
Most shooters I know have rented it once, and dismissed them...
Even the rental companies joke about them.
They're "clumsy" and "don't do anything a regular beauty dish does"...
I think they have potential...
Any input or samples of successful use would be appreciated.

They are clumsy--you're dealing with a rigid 33" (Euro) or 43" (Mantti) bowl which weighs much more than a softbox does. They need a sturdy stand, and--in my opinion--aren't well suited for monolights, as the dish is what mounts on the stand, with the light itself hanging off the back.

I've heard they're all much more placement specific than softboxes, and that's proven itself to me with the Euro. A softbox that's too close or too far will simply be more or less soft; the Euro gives really nice light at the right distance, and merely OK light when it's too close or too far.

They're not as friendly towards imperfect skin as a softbox; the softer shadows from skin irregularities are made up for with brighter specularity.

I do use mine when I have a model with great skin, though; it really brings out a good mix of hard and soft.

This one was shot with a Euro:

https://modelmayhm-2.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/060404/23/44334e460e5f2_m.jpg

Jan 05 07 06:08 pm Link

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jimmyd

Posts: 1343

Los Angeles, California, US

i don't think they're clumsy. They're just not as convenient as softboxes and umbrellas and modifiers of that ilk. sure, ya can't fold them up and easily fit them in your trunk which, i suppose, means they're not a portable as many other modifiers. but is ease of use and ease of transportation really anyone's criteria for what makes a great modifier great? i don't know much about other manufacturer's beauty dishes but the ones i've seen aren't as big as the bigger molas. since the greater the diameter (aperture) of the light source, the softer the light, it would seem you'd have to place those smaller dishes practically on top of the subject to get the same softness my mola euro will produce at about 3 or 4 feet away.  just a few of my thoughts on the subject.

jimmyd
http://prettygirlshooter.blogspot.com

Aug 05 07 12:05 am Link

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Carlos Nunez Photograph

Posts: 225

Los Angeles, California, US

Does anyone know if the Mola dishes fit hensel integra lights?

Aug 05 07 12:15 am Link

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Steve Daubs Studios

Posts: 148

Madison, Wisconsin, US

I'd like to try the Mola lights, but they're not quite in my budget right now. I do. however, own & regularly use the poor photog's AB beauty dish...a 22" dish that works really well for headshots provided I can put it close enough. Here's an example:

https://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pid=3531887

I like the round catchlights and the slightly more focused light than you get from softboxes.

srd

Aug 05 07 12:19 am Link

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- Tripp

Posts: 773

Coronado, California, US

I assisted this photog, John, a year ago when he was in San Diego and he has (or had) the big M. 
https://modelmayhem.com/pics.php?id=4693

The results were great and one can be seen in Madalina's port (San Francisco) like the bubble gum/pink bubbles shot with yellow eyeshadow.
https://modelmayhem.com/pics.php?page=1&id=54172

The bracket for mounting was shot, though. He did mention is was quite the pain to keep up.

Aug 05 07 12:25 am Link

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Amedeus

Posts: 1873

Stockton, California, US

Started using Mola recently and I love it ... you can make them fit on most speedrings

Maybe not as practical as a collapsable softbox or umbrella but I prefer Mola over either one for portraits

YMMV

Rudi A.

Aug 05 07 12:28 am Link

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StephenEastwood

Posts: 19585

Great Neck, New York, US

not unless modified and grided.

Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

Aug 05 07 12:32 am Link

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Vibrant Photography

Posts: 57

Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

The bigger dishes are as clumsy as you want them to be. For me they aren't. I fit the mantti in my boot, and I lug it around outside -- yesterday over sanddunes. the light is absolutely incredible. The biggest softest light but still giving the signature BD light output. Worth the effort I find.

My passenger seat fits the setti (28").

My preferred modifier for outdoors - wind, rain, harsh aussie sun etc.

Feb 14 10 12:50 pm Link

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J E F F R O B E R T S

Posts: 426

Portland, Maine, US

Vibrant Photography wrote:
My preferred modifier for outdoors - wind, rain, harsh aussie sun etc.

Which one?  The setti?  Or all molas?

edit:  I'd want a bd that I could easily use for full body shots....not just headshots!

Feb 14 10 02:19 pm Link

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Vibrant Photography

Posts: 57

Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

I have the 28" setti and 43.5" mantti.

Feb 20 10 04:59 pm Link

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Joey

Posts: 457

Orange, California, US

The Hensel BD works but you'll have to work it for the proper placement, height, etc. So, it may be smaller than the Mola BD and less cumbersome, but, not as easy to use as the Mola BD. Not sure if there's bracket for Mola BD to attach to Hensel, mayabe Stephen Eastwood has some ideas on it.

Feb 20 10 05:58 pm Link

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Kermit H Photography

Posts: 7

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Mola's all I ever use, on EVERYTHING I SHOOT. EVERYTHING. Did I say...


Ungrided unobstructed.


Mola.


Check me out www.kermithayes.com

Dec 10 10 11:07 pm Link

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Paul Brecht

Posts: 12232

Colton, California, US

One thing to keep in mind...

People that haven't used the item day in & day out will say things like:''that thing is clumsy", "I couldn't get it to do what I wanted", etc., etc., because, well, they haven't figured it out...

That's like you going out & renting a jet tomorrow & then giving a review, that says that it's "not intuitive", "a real bear to fly", etc., etc., when in actuality, you've never flown before...

If you are expecting similar results to a 22" dish, it just isn't going to happen. I suppose you could plop down a couple grand for some custom grids & make it replicate one, but for the most part, it's a different modifier...

Here's some shoots w/ the 43.5":
http://mola-light.com/blog/?p=216
http://mola-light.com/blog/?p=200

Dec 10 10 11:32 pm Link