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Nika Vaughan
Posts: 1,015
Chicago, Illinois, US


I'm doing a little body painting project for my portfolio, and I'd love to know some brands folks actually use.  I only found one thread on body painting and it was from the photography forum- not too helpful...

Can you really use tempra?  Would I need to add a medium to keep it from cracking?  Can the models wash it off with soap and water?

I was planning on using my Ben Nye creams, but I'll be painting a design on one of the girls from her forehead down to her navel, and I wasn't sure if there was a better product to accomplish this...

I do know that I want crisp edges, too...

Any help?  Thanks in advance!
Feb 09 07 08:09 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
bijan studio
Posts: 1,846
TARZANA, California, US


I use thin layer of acrylic paint in tubes. It won't crackeither. I have used tempra but it cracks very easily.
All painting on my profile is acrylic.
Feb 09 07 08:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
User Name Unavailable
Posts: 558
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


are you airbrushing or doing it by brush?
either way, i recommend the ben nye liquid.

do not use acrylics. they are not tested to be used on skin!
Feb 09 07 08:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
bijan studio
Posts: 1,846
TARZANA, California, US


Erin Heather wrote:
are you airbrushing or doing it by brush?
either way, i recommend the ben nye liquid.

do not use acrylics. they are not tested to be used on skin!

I have tested acrylics for 3 years now. lol. No allergic, rash or any problems. smile

Feb 09 07 09:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Nika Vaughan
Posts: 1,015
Chicago, Illinois, US


My only worry with acrylic would be that I know from personal exp. that depending on how porous your skin is, it can be a b*tch to get off, lol.  So, I'll probably sway away from that option for the time being.  But thank you!

Now, I've never heard of Ben Nye liquids...I've only used the cream colors.  I do need something very opaque and capable of creating a bold, crisp line (no drips, runny spots). 

I will be doing everything with a 1/2 wide flatedge/liner brush.
Feb 09 07 09:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
bijan studio
Posts: 1,846
TARZANA, California, US


MakeupEnvy wrote:
My only worry with acrylic would be that I know from personal exp. that depending on how porous your skin is, it can be a b*tch to get off, lol.  So, I'll probably sway away from that option for the time being.  But thank you!

Now, I've never heard of Ben Nye liquids...I've only used the cream colors.  I do need something very opaque and capable of creating a bold, crisp line (no drips, runny spots). 

I will be doing everything with a 1/2 wide flatedge/liner brush.

I am not a make up artist but acrylic comes off reall easy. It's oil that's hard to take off. Try it on your hand and see how easy it rubs off.

Feb 09 07 09:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
User Name Unavailable
Posts: 558
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


bijan studio wrote:

I have tested acrylics for 3 years now. lol. No allergic, rash or any problems. smile

Maybe its safe, who knows?
I wouldn't risk it. I don't put anything on my clients or the models I work on that I wouldn't put on myself.

That includes craft paint.

Feb 09 07 09:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Heather Coleman
Posts: 199
Chino Hills, California, US


you could use aquacolor's by kryolan.Its water based so it comes off with soap and water, you just activate it with water.  That stuff works really well.  I've done all of my body painting with it.

  If you want really clean crisp lines then I suggest you do airbrush with stencils.  Mehron makes good liquid makeup that can go through the brush.its not to expensice either, it's like $8 for an 8 oz. bottle.  then you can use the aqua color for the detail.

Hope this helps.
Feb 10 07 02:53 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Felicia Bromba
Posts: 532
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Mehrom, Kryolan 'Aqua Color', Ben nye have some great products to us....Depending on how long they are on the skin, other paints can be used. Long before I started Makeup, I was always the one who got painted for promo stuff etc...
Basic acrylics can be used but need to be thinned to go through the gun. Some use water,  or other mixing agents.
'Golden' Airbrush acrylics can be used mixed with liquid-set...it holds to the body longer. (FOUND AT OPUS)
I know of ppl who use 'CREATEX'  mixed down (FOUND AT MICHEALS)
PEARLESSENCE is another one I've come across that can also be mixed down.
Remeber, If you want them to stay to the skin longer/less cracking and flaking use a 'setting-agent'.
I have been painted with All the brands listened above (Test on yourself before others) and have used them on others. I have never myself/or anyone I have worked on ever had a reaction. However you want to stick with paint that might be on the face or near any openings as 'Certified' for the body. Just for Safety purposes...Safety first! smile

Good luck with everything...

Felicia
Feb 10 07 03:07 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Nika Vaughan
Posts: 1,015
Chicago, Illinois, US


bijan studio wrote:
I am not a make up artist but acrylic comes off reall easy. It's oil that's hard to take off. Try it on your hand and see how easy it rubs off.

I've got just about 20 yrs in fine arts, and believe me it's the times you couldn't get something off of either your skin/clothes, or God forbid, somebody else's skin or clothes that you remember.  wink

And you would seriously be surprised to what one random person has a bad reaction to when it's put on his/her skin vs. everybody else.

Feb 10 07 03:21 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Nika Vaughan
Posts: 1,015
Chicago, Illinois, US


I'm going to try and look for those paints by Mehrom, Kryolan, or Ben Nye, I think.

I will definitely be painting all around eyes and mouth, so safety is key.  There will be no airbrush, just painting by hand.

Thanks to all who've responded!

Anybody else??
Feb 10 07 03:26 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
CC MUA
Posts: 228
Tampa, Florida, US


I believe its actually Mehron. Ive heard good things about it as well. Just finding it in a store in my area is a problem.....
Feb 11 07 07:05 am  Link  Quote 
Body Painter
Roustan
Posts: 1,083
Redondo Beach, California, US


Yep. Get the mehron Paradise Makeup. You don't need an airbrush to use it. You can't beat it.

http://www.mehron.com/retail/category.cfm?Category=67
Feb 11 07 11:31 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
David Klasfeld
Posts: 2,665
New York, New York, US


Ack! This question always scares me to death, and no not because my company sells body paint.

Let me put this as simply as possible: Use body paints for human bodies, face paints for human faces, and nothing else. There is a big, huge difference between "non-toxic" and approved for use on skin. The FDA has very stringent regulations about what can and cannot go into cosmetics, the same standards do not apply to products that aren't supposed to be used on the skin.

Yes, you may have "done this in the past and not had a problem" - what would you do if you did tomorrow? The reaction to acrylic/non-acrylic house/canvas/car/whatever paint can be MUCH more extreme than a simple allergic reaction to a cosmetic product, ranging from hives and rashes to full-on skin corrosion and scarring.

Body paints are not that much more expensive, and it's just not worth the risk. Do not put the models through this sort of risk. If nothing else, don't risk your own career.
Feb 11 07 11:32 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Nika Vaughan
Posts: 1,015
Chicago, Illinois, US


Ok, I hate to sound like a nerd, but can anyone explain to me what they feel the difference between the Ben Nye creme colors and the Mehron products...I was looking at the Mehron color cakes online and they sound pretty similar to the Ben Nye colors, but they're twice as expensive...?
Feb 11 07 01:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Body Painter
Lisa Berczel
Posts: 3,996
Corona, California, US


Paints that are NOT designed for the skin just don't work that well as bodypaint - as compared to the products that ARE designed for skin.

Kudos to those that realize we have to use the right product for the job...

Nothing marks an ameture bodypainter more than pulling out arcylics and marker pens-  you are showing disregard for your model and the project by using products that are "good enough" and "I haven't had any problem with...".

Back to the original question - don't be afraid to layer and experiment using both water-based and alcohol based products on the same paint. Each brings a unique look and strength to a project.
Feb 11 07 02:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Susan Verdugo
Posts: 904
Los Angeles, California, US


Felicia Bromba wrote:
If you want them to stay to the skin longer/less cracking and flaking use a 'setting-agent'.
Felicia

Can you list which "agent" ?  Mehron's barrier spray?

Pls confirm which behave best.

Feb 11 07 06:57 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Ali Moon
Posts: 306
Folsom, California, US


Use something meant to be used on skin...not acrylics or oils as some of the dyes contain toxins (I use oil  and acrylics to paint...on canvas). I did a shoot using airbrush body paint that was alcohol based. Just keep common sense and safety in mind...make sure it's non-toxic. smile
Feb 11 07 07:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Ty Shaw
Posts: 87
Brooklyn, New York, US


If you have an airbrush system I recommend the OCC Ink. It works really well.
Feb 11 07 11:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Luna Pearl
Posts: 150
Chicago, Illinois, US


Just have Luna Pearl paint for you!!!! LOL
Feb 11 07 11:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
LeDeux Art
Posts: 50,123
San Ramon, California, US


Luna Pearl wrote:
Just have Luna Pearl paint for you!!!! LOL

shes the best

Feb 11 07 11:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
LeDeux Art
Posts: 50,123
San Ramon, California, US


jonathan ledeux wrote:

shes the best

and is a wonderful person Im sure she has good advice for our friend

Feb 11 07 11:57 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Susan Verdugo
Posts: 904
Los Angeles, California, US


jonathan ledeux wrote:
and is a wonderful person Im sure she has good advice for our friend

Can't be sure, but suspect "advice" was what OP was seeking.

Feb 12 07 12:01 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
ROSHAR
Posts: 3,791
New York, New York, US


bijan studio wrote:

I have tested acrylics for 3 years now. lol. No allergic, rash or any problems. smile

Sorry dude- When I was 17 I used acrylic paint on someone and they had a reaction to it and some scarring from the reaction.
I am sooo lucky she didnt think of sueing me- that is what we need to keep in mind.
Better safe than sorry.

Feb 12 07 01:18 am  Link  Quote 
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bijan studio
Posts: 1,846
TARZANA, California, US


Roshar wrote:
Sorry dude- When I was 17 I used acrylic paint on someone and they had a reaction to it and some scarring from the reaction.
I am sooo lucky she didnt think of sueing me- that is what we need to keep in mind.
Better safe than sorry.

I am afraid you used a wrong paint. There are many kinds of acrylic paints.

Just for your information and everyone else, some acrylic ARE tested for skin, at least the kind I use. It's the non-toxic ones and has "Health Label" on it.

According to The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission:
http://www.checnet.org/healthehouse/edu … ain_ID=622

Health label or (AP) — Approved Product indicates that ACMI has found that the product has “no materials in sufficient quantities to be toxic or injurious to humans or to cause acute or chronic health problems.”

Even this site recommands acrylic:
http://tattoos.lovetoknow.com/Body_Paint

Feb 12 07 01:26 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
David Klasfeld
Posts: 2,665
New York, New York, US


Bijan-

"Non-Toxic" is not the only qualifying factor for use on skin. This simply means it is not poisionous. My clients look for a little more than that when it comes to the products I use on them, and I'm sure yours do too.

Further, just because a product is approved for sale in the market place because accidental skin contact in minimal amounts won't cause irritation or death, doesn't mean you're now free to paint a whole body with it.

Listen to the advice others are giving you here: while it's true that many people won't react to acrylics, etc. all it takes is one person who does and they can be scarred for life. Why would you take the risk?

Thanks,
DK
Feb 12 07 09:17 am  Link  Quote 
Body Painter
Lisa Berczel
Posts: 3,996
Corona, California, US


Hey... Sharpies are rated AP in safety...

So, how about we all throw away our eye liners and use those cool, fine line Sharpies on model's eyes.... think of all those cool colors!!!!


NOT.
Feb 12 07 05:56 pm  Link  Quote 
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ROSHAR
Posts: 3,791
New York, New York, US


Battledress PaintNBody wrote:
Hey... Sharpies are rated AP in safety...

So, how about we all throw away our eye liners and use those cool, fine line Sharpies on model's eyes.... think of all those cool colors!!!!


NOT.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21/sean4006/SHARPIES11.jpg

Feb 12 07 07:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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ROSHAR
Posts: 3,791
New York, New York, US


bijan studio wrote:

I am afraid you used a wrong paint.

Thats why we prefer to use things TESTED FOR SKIN.
Like David said- whats wrong with using a product made for it, as opposed to something is not intened for use on skin?

Feb 12 07 07:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Webspinner
Posts: 6,927
Chicago, Illinois, US


Luna Pearl wrote:
Just have Luna Pearl paint for you!!!! LOL

I plan on it.....

Feb 12 07 08:32 pm  Link  Quote 
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AdrienneDoesItAll
Posts: 91
Pompano Beach, Florida, US


I've always had luck with Kryolan...

http://modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pid=2249004
Feb 13 07 01:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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Fotographia Fantastique
Posts: 17,325
Lebanon, New Hampshire, US


MakeupEnvy wrote:
I'm doing a little body painting project for my portfolio, and I'd love to know some brands folks actually use.  I only found one thread on body painting and it was from the photography forum- not too helpful...

Can you really use tempra?  Would I need to add a medium to keep it from cracking?  Can the models wash it off with soap and water?

I was planning on using my Ben Nye creams, but I'll be painting a design on one of the girls from her forehead down to her navel, and I wasn't sure if there was a better product to accomplish this...

I do know that I want crisp edges, too...

Any help?  Thanks in advance!

In addition to photography I do painting (on canvasses) I am not a body painter - BUT I end up getting a lot of paint on my skin. While it may be tempting to use acryllic paint, don't! I contacted the manufacturers of Liquitex™ (a latex acryllic) to see if there were any ill effects from the amount of paint I've gotten on my skin.

They say that it is always wise to minimize the amount of contact with the skin - there are chemicals in paint that harmful (possibly even carcinogenic). You should use a recommended body paint.

edit: I see someone has recommended the use of acryllic - while it may not cause an immediate reaction, like lead in drinking water, it's best to avoid it because of the long term effects.

Feb 13 07 01:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Nika Vaughan
Posts: 1,015
Chicago, Illinois, US


OK guys, we've got the acrylic/oil/toxic vs. skin-approved argument covered. 

Let's return to the original point of this thread, to learn more about the application of various body paints.  I (and I think a couple of other artists) are seeking opinions and advice regarding the following:

- What do you feel is the major difference(s) between Ben Nye paints and creames vs. Mehron's?

- Do you spray a fixing agent over the finished work?

- What's your favorite paint/cream to paint on the skin, especially around eye, lips, other areas of the body?  I will not be using an airbrush at all.

Any and all responses to the above questions would be greatly appreciated!!!
Feb 14 07 01:28 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Nika Vaughan
Posts: 1,015
Chicago, Illinois, US


AdrienneDoesItAll wrote:
I've always had luck with Kryolan...

http://modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pid=2249004

That's amazing coverage!  Thanks for the pic!

Feb 14 07 01:30 am  Link  Quote 
Body Painter
BodyPainter Rich
Posts: 17,932
Sacramento, California, US


Just a heads up to those who actually reccomend using paint on someone's skin. If someone uses a non-cosmetic paint after you advise it, do you realize that you could be held liable if something goes wrong? (and it can).

Products I have used successfully...

Mehron- great price, color pallette is not great, have to premix for airbrush
Paradise AQ- good stuff from MEhron for brushes
Snazaroo- Great price, great colors, can be tricky to blend
Ben Nye- I did not like their cake makeup a few years back...too powdery
OCC-great colors and flow, settles a bit quickly though...I'm trying to get around that
Fantasy faces- durable and good coverage, but does not flow well and very limited pallette
Krylon- great cakes, haven't tried much of their liquid (Pricey)
Graftobian, Dinair, Tatt International, etc... most seem okay, but the price keeps me away

And another note on acrylics, tempera, and etc...

Back when I didn't know any better I used these products...I count my lucky stars nothing happened. Yes, allergic reactions are quite rare, but they can be VERY severe. Is it worth taking that risk? Do you want to get sued for everything you own, or more importantly how would you feel if you caused a model signifigant pain and/or scarring? Do the right thing. The only benefit to using non-approved products is that they are easy to find and they save you a couple bucks....it is not worth it.
Feb 14 07 01:57 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Nika Vaughan
Posts: 1,015
Chicago, Illinois, US


Great advice! Thanks, Rich. smile
Feb 14 07 02:02 am  Link  Quote 
Body Painter
Bare Beauty Bodypaint
Posts: 358
Gardner, Massachusetts, US


Nobody has seemed to mention Badger's Totally Tattoo airbrush paint. I know you have chosen not to go with airbrushing but it still can be applied with brush and looks great. Only downside is that it is pricy.

Kryolan aquacolor or Mehron liquid makeup are the ways to go though for cost effectiveness while maintaining the look you want and health of the model.

And yes acrylics are bad. Early on in my painting, I painted myself in gold acrylic fabric paint as a test and my skin felt like it was on fire for a week. Anything that can be carcinagenic (like some acrylics can be) should not be used on the skin.
Feb 14 07 04:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RSM-images
Posts: 4,226
Jacksonville, Florida, US


M*A*C PRO has airbrushable cosmetics and a thinner for them.
Feb 14 07 06:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Nika Vaughan
Posts: 1,015
Chicago, Illinois, US


AerickkcireA Bodyart wrote:
Nobody has seemed to mention Badger's Totally Tattoo airbrush paint. I know you have chosen not to go with airbrushing but it still can be applied with brush and looks great. Only downside is that it is pricy. ...

Thanks!

Feb 15 07 08:37 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Nika Vaughan
Posts: 1,015
Chicago, Illinois, US


Someone on Emelle's thread just posted about a great website: www.sillyfarm.com.

I think I'm going w/ the Fardel paints for this shoot, but I'll definitely invest in some Mehron for down the road.

Thanks all!
Feb 15 07 08:59 am  Link  Quote 
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