|
Forums >
General Industry >
Why do some photographers insist on no escorts???
This account is closed. Feb 02 06 12:38 am Link Nope, can't explain it. Both times my models brought an escort, it went off without a hitch, and sometimes they even helped. I can see it not working in some cases, but for the most part, I think some photographers have a bigger ego than is needed. Just don't book with them. They aren't the only ones around. Feb 02 06 12:42 am Link It is kind of a hard place to be. I always let the models bring escorts but sometimes they are a distraction. The best shoots are the second and third and fourth on so on. When it is just me and the model they actually prefer to be alone with me and I like it that way as well. It seems like we get a better flow going and we learn each other better and somehow we just work better that way. It is all about trust I guess. Feb 02 06 12:42 am Link Because some escorts can be/are real jerks! I will not tell someone no escorts allowed. However, I do let them know the escort is not to interfere or the session is over. They will be expected to help hold lights and reflectors as needed and be a "gopher" in general... Feb 02 06 12:43 am Link If they won't let you bring a chaperone and you don't feel comfortable without one, move on, you'll find photographers who don't mind. I figure if the model feels comfortable, the shoot will go better. I've had moms, husbands, boyfriend, girlfriends (for guys and girls), and I've never had an issue. Feb 02 06 12:43 am Link Ya, I definitely wouldn't go unenscorted if I was a female model. It's just too risky. Don't be discouraged by photographers who are turning you down for things like that. -Justin Feb 02 06 12:44 am Link You should always be able to bring an escort on the first shoot with a photographer if you don't know them ahead of time. If they don't I wouldn't work with them. Feb 02 06 12:45 am Link You should always be able to bring an escort on the first shoot with a photographer if you don't know them ahead of time. If they don't I wouldn't work with them. Feb 02 06 12:45 am Link models and escorts. 50/50 split i certainly allow it on my shoots, but 50 percent of the time escort is either looney tunes or a major distraction, if that turns out to be the case i reshoot the same model after the 1st shoot without the escort and put it down to running costs. Feb 02 06 12:46 am Link This account is closed. Feb 02 06 12:52 am Link I actually encourage models to bring someone they feel comfortable with, especially on first time shoots. Never had an issue with escorts/companions. Generally makes things more relaxed, and I often draft escorts into helping out  Feb 02 06 12:55 am Link i don't really visit this site all that much, once in a while, and only have a couple posts.... but came on here and this post caught my eye and i had to respond. i never understood what "models" are referring too when they say they need an escort. if it ever happens to me, which it has twice, i knew it wasnt the type of person i was interested in working with. i mean why would she need to be fearful or fear for her safety? should she bring an escort to jiffy lube? how about to get her taxes done? what is that all about? that kind of thinking is the scary thing to me. when i do work with models its usually from an agency, and they arent bringing escorts. however i realize a lot of people are on this site just to get some free photos and take a shot at a dream, which i think is great, however if you really feel that a photo studio is so sketchy that you have to be fearful going into it.... then why the heck are you even talking with them in the first place? shell out a couple bills and go to a place where you aren't fearful of..... whatever it is your fearful of and need "protection" from. Feb 02 06 12:56 am Link Addie Juniper wrote: the only problems we've had, over the years, have been with "escorts." Feb 02 06 12:57 am Link I've never had a problem with an escort, and sometimes actually encourage models to bring one on a first shoot. But then I'm pretty self-confident and it's unusual for people to give me grief, at a photo shoot or in life in general. Some photographers haven't been that lucky, and it's true that with young boyfriends there is always the risk of jealousy related drama. Still, while I prefer that models bring a friend, sometimes you've got to take whoever is willing to go, I understand that. That said, there are several reasons some photographers say no escorts. Some are more valid than others: 1. They're accustomed to commercial shoots where sets are already crowded with mua's, stylists, assistants, art directors, etc., and where escorts really aren't welcome... but that's the real world, not the web model world; 2. They're control freaks; 3. They've had an escort steal or break something in the past; 4. They're easily distracted; 5. They're afraid it will be harder to talk you out of your clothes if you have backup (not true, several times in my shoots it's been the escorts idea to get naked) I'm probably forgetting a few, but that's a range of possibilities to start. Like I said, I don't really understand it because it's just never been a problem. Feb 02 06 12:58 am Link Addie Juniper wrote: Iâd have to say that would be a huge warning flag in my book. Feb 02 06 12:59 am Link It's a valid question. You can't imagine, though, how bad some escorts are. And although in your case you say your escort is fine, the models who bring terrible escorts also tell photographers that their escort will be 'fine'. There really are escorts who talk incessantly through a shoot, or keep making 'suggestions', or distract the model, or leer at the additional models, or ask the photographer questions when the photographer's trying to direct the models, or the escort helps the model drag her cigarette break out to 20 minutes... Etc etc Photographers who say "no escorts" are usually people who had horrific experiences with previous escorts until finally they decided they would never trust a model again. But I still agree with others here who say, if someone won't let you bring an escort, don't go. --Lorelei P.S. I've had some shoots where escorts were terrible, but I still allow escorts anyway, since it's more important to have an industry where models feel they can bring escorts. A few frustrating shoots is the price I'll pay. Feb 02 06 12:59 am Link Addie Juniper wrote: If you feel so strongly you need an escort, why are you modeling? Feb 02 06 12:59 am Link Craig Thomson wrote: Why do people say things like this? Feb 02 06 01:04 am Link I shoot mayby 50% of the time in a crowed club in Seattle and am used to people standing around. I can shoot under almost any conditions and enjoy it. There are five or so images in my portfolio were shot at that club with people watching, go look at Vienna Le Rouge in the blue and white outfits. Those were shot about two months apart. Feb 02 06 01:04 am Link Addie Juniper wrote: Hrm does his profile read like this: Feb 02 06 01:04 am Link Bodyartist wrote: Where did I criticize? Feb 02 06 01:06 am Link They are extraneous to the process. If you dont want to be alone with the photographer- dont- hire a MUA/ Hair/ Wardrobe. If you dont know the photographer or dont trust him/her- do your homework, check refs, meet ahead of time So- there is really no upside to having one there other than your comfort level. Now lets look at the downside: People act differently around escorts, especially loved ones. You are in your safety net- so you aren't willing to to trust the photographer's vision/ coaching/ direction. Models have a tendency to look at their escorts between snaps- even if just for subconscious approval. Escorts can be a distraction- ask questions/ make noise/ start directing/ etc. Photographers need to build up a repoir with their model in a shoot- having an escort that can inhibit that process. One of the things that makes an image special is expression- its pure magic. It doesnt come from a fake pose 2 seconds after your looking away to see what your escort is doing. It comes from the give and take, repoir, and trust between photographer and subject. Anything else is a lucky shot. So- for me- the downside outweighs the upside. So- my policy- if I am in any way paying: my time, my mua, my ideas, etc- NO- No escorts. I wont risk my time on a bad bet. Only 2 of the escort bringing models have made it to my port- the rest- have all been a waste. If the model is paying for the shoot- I will give her my advice and explain why. If she or he still chooses to have an escort there- its fine with me. -Jose Feb 02 06 01:07 am Link I've never not allowed an escort, but I have a had some pretty disruptive ones. Usually the biggest issue is when it is someone that simply inhibits the model from letting go and really modeling because she is embarrassed in front of the person. The really interesting thing to me is that all of the models that have wanted me to shoot nudes or glamour stuff have always shown up alone. Eric Foltz Feb 02 06 01:14 am Link Ford Escort? Feb 02 06 01:14 am Link Model and photographer should communicate prior to shoot. Discuss what will be done at shoot and how. Know what wardrobe to bring unless you are a top model who has a full crew to assist him/her. BTW if you are a top of the line photographer you will have MUA,hairdresser, wardrobe person, assistants etc. on location or studio so if you do not want a escort on set, intentions must not be kosher. Models if you get bad vibes from photographer cancel your shoot cause you will be wasting your time and photographers. Both indiviuals must feel comfortable with each other. Feb 02 06 01:14 am Link I've never had a problem bringing an escort, they've always stayed out of the way of the photographer. Also I think it helps to have someone there that you are comfortable with. It will show in the photographs if you are comfortable or not. Feb 02 06 01:17 am Link Because they are affraid of your tattooed boyfriend who can bench press a house jumping them while you steel their equipment and car and that all their family will find is their naked, dead body by the road with a hot-pink pump sticking out of their skull. That, and unprofessionalism. Some escorts are scarier than photographers. Feb 02 06 01:17 am Link I never allow escort at my shoots #1 reason is because everyone involved is working. My shoots are 4-5 hour which includes hair and make-up. I need the model to be at her best and if she feels she needs a escort for protection then we should not be working together. I have had many ppl ask to be in studio when I am shooting but in reality if you don't need to be here then you won't. I have several other reasons but I'll stick to this one. BTW it is foolish to pass up the chance to work with a good well known photographer because you can't bring an escort. Feb 02 06 01:18 am Link It really just depends on the escort. I have no problem on having an escort except when he or she begins to interfere with some of my direction. I have a few assistants as it stands most of the time so I dont think that Models feel uncomfortable. Sometimes I think that some models feel as though it is going to bring them calm knowing that someone is there for their protection, I feel that the rhythem between client and photographer is of the upmost important especially when he or she is spending their money to recieve their product. The Key to the relationship is Professionalism on both sides. I keep someone around just in case of sticky fingers......It works both way...I've had a few cases where I wish that someone was there to witness the behavior of some of my clients(: Feb 02 06 01:18 am Link David Moyle wrote: LOL!! Feb 02 06 01:21 am Link The first time I photograph a model, I ask her to bring an escort. It relaxes a model not worrying about safety. After we work together it is no longer necessary. Bossy Moms and jealous boyfriends are a problem: hint bring your gay friend! Feb 02 06 01:22 am Link I've always allowed friends to come with the model and have only had one time where the model seemed to concerned about what the friend thought than concentrating on the shoot it's self. Feb 02 06 01:23 am Link It is different when working with a well known photographer of course who has many references. But shooting with someone you are not completely familiar with, especially off of a modeling site could be dangerous without an escort. Feb 02 06 01:24 am Link Naomi Nekro wrote: then don't work with the "web based photographers". Plenty of photographer that do fine art fashion, commercial in ever city. Just open your yellow pages and start shooting ( and paying for their time ) Feb 02 06 01:28 am Link Hmm I always allow models I shoot to bring an escort. I even encourage them to do so, but every model I have shot comes alone anyways. Guess because Im a female they feel I'm ok and safe. WHich is true lol but i usually have a make up artist and hair stylist tere to. So its just not me and model. However, there are ways around that if a photographer insists on not letting you have an escort around which are: 1. You can get a few references from previous models he's shot with. 2. Meet the photographer before the shoot say at a coffee joint or something for a quick pre meet. That way you can get a good or bad vibe before shooting. If neither of those can be provided then something is definately fishy and it's not in your best interest to go shoot with this person. Feb 02 06 01:29 am Link Doe's this apply to Male Models and Female Photographer?.....Hmmm I think that a Female photographer might find it somewhat awkward to shoot her male subject with A unfamiliar Wondering Female running about in her studio. If this job is that threatning just Call 911, Im sure the Man in Blue would love to come and sit in on one of your photoshoots......Stay away from unlisted business's that your find threatning..... Feb 02 06 01:29 am Link KARLOS MATTHEWS wrote: i'm not sure about her, but i know i don't shoot fine art, fashion, or commerical. Feb 02 06 01:29 am Link If the shoot will be a major production and there will be a team of people doing all kinds of things then they say "no escorts" to keep the number of people down. If it's just you and the photographer then I have no explanation... I have nothing to hide so I welcome all chaperones/escorts. Addie Juniper wrote: Feb 02 06 01:33 am Link This account is closed. Feb 02 06 01:39 am Link This account is closed. Feb 02 06 01:44 am Link |
